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• Fortified Commercial Formula
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• Homemade Whey
• Formula Making Tips
• Breast Milk and Homemade Formula Nutrient Comparison Chart
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Raw Milk Baby Formula

Makes 36 ounces.

Our milk-based formula takes account of the fact that human milk is richer in whey, lactose, vitamin C, niacin, and long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids compared to cow's milk but leaner in casein (milk protein). The addition of gelatin to cow's milk formula will make it more digestible for the infant. Use only truly expeller-expressed oils in the formula recipes, otherwise they may lack vitamin E.

The ideal milk for baby, if he cannot be breastfed, is clean, whole raw milk from old-fashioned cows, certified free of disease, that feed on green pasture. For sources of good quality milk, see www.realmilk.com or contact a local chapter of the Weston A. Price Foundation.

If the only choice available to you is commercial milk, choose whole milk, preferably organic and unhomogenized, and culture it with a piima or kefir culture to restore enzymes (available from G.E.M. Cultures 253-588-2922 or http://www.gemcultures.com).

Ingredients

• 2 cups whole raw cow's milk, preferably from pasture-fed cows
• 1/4 cup homemade liquid whey (See recipe for whey, below) Note: Do NOT use powdered whey or whey from making cheese (which will cause the formula to curdle). Use only homemade whey made from yoghurt, kefir or separated raw milk.
• 4 tablespoons lactose¹
• 1/4 teaspoon bifidobacterium infantis²
• 2 or more tablespoons good quality cream (preferably not ultrapasteurized), more if you are using milk from Holstein cows
• 1/2 teaspoon unflavored high-vitamin or high-vitamin fermented cod liver oil or 1 teaspoon regular cod liver oil³
• 1/4 teaspoon high-vitamin butter oil (optional)¹
• 1 teaspoon expeller-expressed sunflower oil¹
• 1 teaspoon extra virgin olive oil¹
• 2 teaspoons coconut oil¹
• 2 teaspoons Frontier brand nutritional yeast flakes¹
• 2 teaspoons gelatin¹
• 1-7/8 cups filtered water
• 1/4 teaspoon acerola powder^{1, 2}
  

1. Available from Radiant Life 888-593-8333, www.radiantlifecatalog.com.
2. Earlier versions of this web page called for 1 tsp of bifidobacterium infantis and 1 tsp of acerola powder--these were typos.
3. Use only recommended brands of cod liver oil. See our recommendations here.

Instructions

• Put 2 cups filtered water into a pyrex measuring pitcher and remove 2 tablespoons (that will give you 1-7/8 cups water).
• Pour about half of the water into a pan and place on a medium flame.
• Add the gelatin and lactose to the pan and let dissolve, stirring occasionally.
• When the gelatin and lactose are dissolved, remove from heat and add the remaining water to cool the mixture.
• Stir in the coconut oil and optional high-vitamin butter oil and stir until melted.
• Meanwhile, place remaining ingredients into a blender.
• Add the water mixture and blend about three seconds.
• Place in glass bottles or a glass jar and refrigerate.
• Before giving to baby, warm bottles by placing in hot water or a bottle warmer. NEVER warm bottles in a microwave oven.

Variation: Goat Milk Formula

Although goat milk is rich in fat, it must be used with caution in infant feeding as it lacks folic acid and is low in vitamin B₁₂, both of which are essential to the growth and development of the infant. Inclusion of nutritional yeast to provide folic acid is essential. To compensate for low levels of vitamin B₁₂, if preparing the Milk-Based Formula (above) with goat's milk, add 2 teaspoons organic raw chicken liver, frozen for 14 days, finely grated to the batch of formula. Be sure to begin egg-yolk feeding at four months.

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Liver-Based Formula

Makes about 36 ounces.

Our liver-based formula also mimics the nutrient profile of mother's milk. It is extremely important to include coconut oil in this formula as it is the only ingredient that provides the special medium-chain saturated fats found in mother's milk. As with the milk-based formula, all oils should be truly expeller-expressed.

Ingredients:

• 3-3/4 cups homemade beef or chicken broth
• 2 ounces organic liver, cut into small pieces
• 5 tablespoons lactose¹
• 1/4 teaspoon bifidobacterium infantis²
• 1/4 cup homemade liquid whey (See recipe for whey, below)
• 1 tablespoon coconut oil¹
• 1/2 teaspoon unflavored high-vitamin or high-vitamin fermented cod liver oil or 1 teaspoon regular cod liver oil³
• 1 teaspoon unrefined sunflower oil¹
• 2 teaspoons extra virgin olive oil¹
• 1/4 teaspoon acerola powder^1,2

1. Available from Radiant Life 888-593-8333, www.radiantlifecatalog.com.
2. Earlier versions of this web page called for 1 tsp of bifidobacterium infantis and 1 tsp of acerola powder--these were typos.
3. Use only recommended brands of cod liver oil. See our recommendations here.

Instructions:

• Simmer liver gently in broth until the meat is cooked through.
• Liquefy using a handheld blender or in a food processor.
• When the liver broth has cooled, stir in remaining ingredients.
• Store in a very clean glass or stainless steel container.
• To serve, stir formula well and pour 6 to 8 ounces in a very clean glass bottle.
• Attach a clean nipple and set in a pan of simmering water until formula is warm but not hot to the touch, shake well and feed to baby. (Never heat formula in a microwave oven!)

Q.  Why does the infant formulas include lots of vegetable oils like sunflower and olive oil? These are very high in linoleic acid.

A. Answer from Chris Masterjohn. The amount of sunflower oil and olive oil in the infant formula recipe provides the amount of unsaturated fatty acids found in the milk of modern American mothers. I have found compelling evidence that arachidonic acid and DHA are necessary for infant development, but not linoleic acid.  That said, linoleic acid serves as a precursor for arachidonic acid, so I think the formula should have some linoleic acid (mainly from the sunflower oil).  However, it is likely that current linoleic acid levels in breast milk are higher than they otherwise would be, not because they are needed, but because they are present in excess as a result of the consumption of vegetable oils.  So I think the amount of linoleic acid in the formula should be normalized to pre-1960 data for Americans, or, better, if they are available, to data from breast milk concentrations of mothers from traditionally living populations that had not yet encountered dietary vegetable oils at the time the data were collected. This would mean reducing the amount of sunflower oil by half. 

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Fortified Commercial Formula

Makes about 35 ounces.

This stopgap formula can be used in emergencies, or when the ingredients for homemade formula are unavailable.

Ingredients:

• 1 cup milk-based powdered formula¹
• 29 ounces filtered water (3 5/8 cups)
• 1 large egg yolk from an organic egg, cooked 3 1/2 minutes (See recipe for egg yolk, below)
• 1/2 teaspoon unflavored high-vitamin or high-vitamin fermented cod liver oil or 1 teaspoon regular cod liver oil²

1. We are sorry to report that the Mead Johnson (Enfamil) Low Iron formula we previously recommended is no longer available. In fact, all commercial formula now contains iron, by FDA decree. The best choice for commercial formula today seems to be Baby's Only Organic Dairy Formula. It contains iron but otherwise contains higher quality ingredients than any of the other commercial formulas. It is also the only brand on the market at this time without the Martek DHASCO and ARASCO additive. If you are forced to use commercial formula, make sure that baby is getting cod liver oil, either added to the formula or given with an eye dropper or syringe. As soon as possible, introduce solid foods like egg yolk, liver, meat and bone broths.

2. Use only recommended brands of cod liver oil. See our recommendations here.

Instructions:

• Place all ingredients in a blender or food processor and blend thoroughly.
• Place 6-8 ounces in a very clean glass bottle. (Store the rest in a very clean glass jar in the refrigerator for the next feedings.)
• Attach a clean nipple to the bottle and set in a pan of simmering water until formula is warm but not hot to the touch, shake well and feed to baby. (Never heat formula in a microwave oven!)

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Egg Yolk for Baby

Egg yolk should be baby's first solid food, starting at 4 months, whether baby is breastfed or formula-fed. Egg yolks from pastured hens will contain the special long-chain fatty acids so critical for the optimal development of the brain and nervous system. The whites may cause an allergic reaction and should not be given to baby until he is at least one year old.

Ingredients:

• 1 organic egg from a pasture-fed hen
• 1/2 teaspoon grated raw organic liver, frozen for 14 days Note: It is VERY important that the liver be frozen for 14 days before using.

Instructions:

• Boil egg for 3 1/2 minutes.
• Place in a bowl and peel off shell.
• Remove egg white and discard.
• Yolk should be soft and warm, not hot, with its enzyme content intact.
• If you wish to add liver, grate on the small holes of a grater while frozen. Allow to warm up and stir into egg yolk.

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Homemade Whey

Makes about 5 cups.

Homemade whey is easy to make from good quality plain yoghurt, or from raw or cultured milk. You will need a large strainer that rests over a bowl.

If you are using yoghurt, place 2 quarts in a strainer lined with a tea towel set over a bowl. Cover with a plate and leave at room temperature overnight. The whey will drip out into the bowl. Place whey in clean glass jars and store in the refrigerator.

If you are using raw or cultured milk, place 2 quarts of the milk in a glass container and leave at room temperature for 2-4 days until the milk separates into curds and whey. Pour into the strainer lined with a tea towel set over a bowl and cover with a plate. Leave at room temperature overnight. The whey will drip out into the bowl. Store in clean glass jars in the refrigerator.

Source: Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon with Mary G. Enig, PhD.

Formula Making Tips

A reader shares her handy tips for making up formula quickly.

All three of my children have had slow starts with breastfeeding, so I appear to have low milk supply issues. We started supplementing with formula three months ago and my sweet baby girl is healthy, gaining weight, content, and an absolute delight.

I'd like to share a couple tips and tricks that help me avoid making mistakes--especially when I'm sleep deprived.

• First, I took a permanent marker and wrote on the lids or packages of each ingredient how much I would need.
• Then, on my printed recipe, I made a list of things I would need to get out: blender, small saucepan, spatula, measuring spoons, 1/4 cup measure.
• I also like to add all the dry ingredients first so the measuring spoons stay dry. I add the oils last and don't worry about washing them between each ingredient.
• Finally, I keep all of my refrigerated ingredients together in one compartment of the door and all of my other ingredients together on one shelf in a cabinet. When it's time to make formula, I get out all the ingredients and put each one away as it's used to avoid accidental doubling.
• Oh, and I mix in the cream after I've used the blender because it's the cream that leaves the frothy bubbles on top that are difficult to mix in.

It takes me about 10 minutes now to mix up a batch. My basic routine looks like this:

1. Set all tools, ingredients, and recipe on counter.
2. Measure 2 cups water, remove 2 tbsp.
3. Put half of water in small saucepan.
4. Turn dial on stove to 3.5 (low heat).
5. Add gelatin and lactose and set coconut oil nearby.
6. Stir with baking spatula.
7. In blender, add milk and whey (put back in fridge).
8. Add all dry ingredients (put back in cabinet or fridge).
9. Then add all oils (except coconut).
10. Stir water mixture again.
11. Take off heat, add coconut oil.
12. Stir slowly until melted.
13. Add remaining water and pour into blender.
14. Blend for three seconds.
15. Add cream and stir.

Since I only use enough for one or two bottles a day, I usually leave out what I'll need for the next two days and freeze the rest in glass jars, putting what I'll need for the day in each jar. Her needs have changed so much since we first started, so making one batch at a time suits us well. I feel confident that she is being nourished both by my breastmilk and by the homemade formula she now takes only at night. Thank you SO MUCH for posting the recipe, the testimonials, and the Q&A's. I've read through each page at least twice!

Lori

Breast Milk and Homemade Formula Nutrient Comparison Chart

Based on 36 ounces.

These nutrient comparison tables were derived from standard food nutrient tables and do not take into account the wide variation in nutrient levels that can occur in both human and animal milk, depending on diet and environment.

* Vitamin A levels in human milk will depend on the diet of the mother. Nursing mothers eating vitamin A-rich foods such as cod liver oil will have much higher levels of vitamin A in their milk. Commercial formulas contain about 2400 IU vitamin A per 800 calories.

** Calcium and sodium values for homemade broth are not available.

*** Vitamin E values are derived from commercial vegetable oils. The vitamin E levels for homemade formulas will be higher if good quality, expeller-expressed oils are used.

Below feeding schedule referenced from Earth's Best website.

Recipe Directions

1. Add gelatin and lactose to half of the water and heat gently until gelatin is dissolved.
2. Stir in remaining water, coconut oil, and optional butter oil.
3. Place all ingredients in a blender and blend well.
4. Transfer to a very clean glass container, and store in refrigerator.

Feeding

1. Pour into a very clean glass bottle, attach nipple, and heat in a pan of simmering water.
2. Never heat formula in a microwave oven.
3. Shake bottle well and feed baby.

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alternate for raw liver in goat mil formula
written by Anne, May 23 2013

Hello,

I travel alot for work, most of the time raw organic liver is not available. Can i use blackstrap molasses as an alternative? OIf yes then how much should i use for one batch.

Thanks

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Reply to Fakhriyya
written by tjboyd, May 03 2013

If your baby is healthy and thriving on breast milk alone then the baby does NOT need the formula.

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written by Fakhriyya, May 02 2013

Hi! just wanted to know does baby NEED your formula or cod liver oil in addition to breast milk, if milk is enough for him (or her)?

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brestfeeding alone or with this formula
written by Fakhriyya, May 02 2013

Hi! With my first baby I breastfed her with addition of your formula because milk wasn't enough. Now I'm pregnant with my second baby. My husband insist to buy all your formula's ingredients in advance, because he is sure that baby NEED your formula (especially cod liver oil) even if he (or she) is breastfed and there is enough milk. so my question does baby NEED this formula even if breast milk is enough for him?

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Excel version of raw milk formula recipe
written by Nathan Murphy, May 02 2013

To whomever is interested, I created an Excel spreadsheet version of the raw milk formula recipe for our own personal use. We are starting our second child on this formula. If this would be helpful for you, feel free to email me at nsm.yoink@gmail.com, and I will send you the file.

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written by veronica, May 01 2013

i noticed it is mentioned above that baby's only organic formula is best if buying commercial, but my concern is the 1st ingredient is brown rice syrup....is this not a sugar? isn't that a bad thing??

sincerely, veronica

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egg yolk for baby
written by striving4simplicity, Apr 24 2013

Could you please instruct on feeding baby egg yolk? I am making the goat milk formula, do I simply mix the egg yolk into the formula? Surely not raw? This is new for me, so I need specifics. Thank you!

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RN
written by Samantha, Apr 24 2013

maybe nit picky, but worthwhile to me when i was told.... regarding formula making tips to write in permanent marker on ingredient container. maybe write in ballpoint pen, or on a post it in ballpoint then taped to container. another nurse quoted a study to me (don't have it on hand, i'm sorry) done at UCLA while she was working there where they discovered that the volatile, cancer causing ingredients in permanent markers that they were using to mark IV bags were traveling THROUGH the plastic into the IV solution going into the patients. in other words, these pens leech like crazy. so to go to all of this care and love to make this formula only to think that at the very least we're adding a possible splash o' cancer to the mix kinda makes me cringe once I found out.
xoxoxo, s.

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Fortified Commercial Formula
written by Nicole, Apr 23 2013

Baby's Only Organic Dairy Formula - When I look this up it says it is toddler formula?
Is that what you are suggesting for infants with the added ingredients above?
I thought you wouldn't add egg yolk right way? Not until they are like 6 months?

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Attn Silyhode - re. LOVE THIS
written by April, Apr 22 2013

Hi,

Your post caught my attention bc what you are describing is projectile vomiting and not a formula allergy. This is a classic symptom of pyloric stenosis. Please take your baby to the doctor if you haven't already. My baby had pyloric stenosis and needed surgery to correct it. Based on my experience and what I learned babies do not projectile vomit 6 feet bc they are reacting to their food.

Good luck!
April

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Blood in stool
written by Caitlyn, Apr 06 2013

Question: I have been supplementing my breast milk with the WAP dairy formula for the past 3 weeks. My 8 month old Baby seems really happy on it, in fact he seems more satisfied. He eats solids like yam, egg yolk, banans, butternut squash, raw butter. My question is this, I changed his diaper recently and noticed some streaks of mucousy blood. Not a lot but enough for me to freak a little and research on line. What I found of course is an allergy to dairy seems to be most often discussed. Any information would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you!

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Gelatin Clumping Up?
written by Row Drake, Apr 06 2013

Hello,

We make the raw cow's milk formula for my 3 month old but seem to have a hard time to get the gelatin to actually mix while in the blender. Every time we think it's blended it's not and we find it just sitting at the bottom of the blender. Any suggestions?

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concerned! newborn/infant immune systems are not prepared for raw animal milk
written by KM, Apr 05 2013

From the CDC -

"Milk and products made from milk need minimal processing, called pasteurization, which can be done by heating the milk briefly (for example, heating it to 161°F for about 20 seconds). When milk is pasteurized, some bacteria remain in it, but the disease-causing ones are killed. Harmful germs usually don't change the look, taste, or smell of milk, so only when milk has been pasteurized can you be confident that these germs are not present. To ensure that milk is safe, processors rapidly cool it after pasteurization, practice sanitary handling, and store milk in clean, closed containers at 45°F or below.
Remember, you can't look at, smell, or taste a bottle of raw milk and tell if it's safe to drink. Make the best decision for the health of your family. If you want to keep milk in your family's diet, protect them by not giving them raw milk. Even healthy adults can get sick from drinking raw milk. If you're thinking about drinking raw milk because you believe it has health benefits, consider other options.
Who is at greatest risk of getting sick from drinking raw milk?
The risk of getting sick from drinking raw milk is greater for infants and young children, the elderly, pregnant women, and people with weakened immune systems, such as people with cancer, an organ transplant, or HIV/AIDS, than it is for healthy school-aged children and adults. But, it is important to remember that healthy people of any age can get very sick or even die if they drink raw milk contaminated with harmful germs.
What are the risks associated with drinking raw milk?
Raw milk can carry harmful bacteria and other germs that can make you very sick or kill you. While it is possible to get foodborne illnesses from many different foods, raw milk is one of the riskiest of all.
Getting sick from raw milk can mean many days of diarrhea, stomach cramping, and vomiting. Less commonly, it can mean kidney failure, paralysis, chronic disorders, and even death.
Many people who chose raw milk thinking they would improve their health instead found themselves (or their loved ones) sick in a hospital for several weeks fighting for their lives from infections caused by germs in raw milk. For example, a person can develop severe or even life-threatening diseases, such as Guillain-Barré syndrome, which can cause paralysis, and hemolytic uremic syndrome, which can result in kidney failure and stroke."

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mrs.
written by liz, Mar 28 2013

if your breastmilk supply is dropping but you want to stick with breastfeeding and not going to a supplement then please try to increase your own milk supply first. my milk supply dropped off significantly where my baby was crying at the breast because there wasnt enough. i called my midwife and she said to take Fenugreek supplements (found at Sprouts & Wholefoods & you can order it online at amazon) 3x a day & get rest (as much as possible), & eat well, and i did this for 3 days and my boobs were BURSTING with milk... it was crazy! i had heard of Fenugreek before so when my midwife recommended it I glady went and got some. I also pumped after feedings even when there was no milk coming out to signal to my boobs "make more milk!". Ladies.... please try this before going off breastmilk as breastmilk is best for our precious babies. Of course... there's nothing wrong with formula if thats what you need to do but if you were like me and preferred to keep BF... then please try Fenugreek, get rest, eat well, and as an added bonus try to pump for 5-10 mins immediately after a feeding (even only doing this 1-2x a day helped me!). Your baby will thank you!
Breast feeding is such an amazing gift we can give to our babies, isnt it! Hope this is helpful for those of you who mentioned you were bummed your milk supply decreased. Blessings everyone!

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Love this!
written by Silyhode, Mar 22 2013

I have only started my 4 month old baby on this formula today but I am super excited to be doing it. I had a bad case of post partum depression and the only thing that stops that for me is to quit nursing so my hormones can balance out. But I hate the commercial formulas. That was made worse by the fact that my baby just couldn't handle any of them. We tried quite a few of them and the stopped him up, made him barf like you only see in the comedic movies(yes babies really can barf 6 feet), and made him cry all the time because his tummy hurt. Plus, he would only eat 3 ounces every 3 or so hours and half the time he wouldn't even finish it. So I knew he wasn't eating enough. Anyways, my husband found this site and we decided, what the heck? So we got all the ingredients and today made the first batch. And the very first bottle he drank 5 ounces! I know that doesn't seem like a big deal, but he has never drank more than 3 ounces in one sitting. I'm really excited to have him on this homemade formula.

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Breastmilk to formula transition
written by Jennell, Mar 14 2013

Just hoping someone can share their experience transitioning from breastmilk to this homemade formula. I have a 8.5 month old who nurses happily, but have found myself unexpectedly pregnant. I know she will need to supplement nursing as I have already seen my supply diminishing, so I have ordered everything to make this formula. I'm worried she'll reject it, of course. Tips, thoughts, ideas?

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Lactose
written by Jenna S, Feb 16 2013

Is there a way to get organic lactose? Or to find out if this brand is RBST free or if the cows are fed grass? I looked on the internet but haven't been able to find other lactose on the market aside from the Now Foods kind. I am concerned about GMO's.

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written by Angie Bivens, Jan 04 2013

My son is 10 mos old and has food sensitivities to gluten, soy, and dairy. I need to supplement my decreasing supply but am concerned that he will have a reaction to the recipes above. Would the goats milk recipe work with his needs?

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Doctor's Visit
written by Melanya7, Dec 21 2012

I wasn't sure where to post this, but I wanted to make sure that no other mother had to go through what I did this week. I took my baby girl to her four month check up and the doctor was so pleased with her growth (previously at 12 weeks EBF she was 18% for weight, a significant drop from 50% at her birth). She was fussy, thin, and not sleeping well. My milk was never really enough...as I had a tumor removed in 2005 and I think it damaged the tissue. We had begun making the Weston A Price homemade cow's milk formula. Suddenly, she was a different baby: a laughing, smiling, cheerful, chubby-cheeked cherub.

The surprised doctor asked me what I was feeding her and we explained. She responded in thinly veiled disgust. She wanted us to do blood work. They took 7 vials of blood. She called me at 11:30 at night to tell me that our baby had elevated potassium (5.6) and if a retest showed it was high again, she wanted an EKG. Elevate postassium can cause an irrgular heart beat. We were to take her for her retest in the a.m. and start commercial formula in the meantime. I was worried sick.

I started doing some research, since I couldn't sleep. By the morning I was convinced it was a bad draw (all the other results were normal). I took her for more blood work (poor baby). The results: she is in the normal range for everything except a little low on vitamin d. The K level was high due to trauma while drawing the blood. AND, she picked up a cold while at the office. The doctor's skepticism and all the stess on her system led to my little baby's first flu bug.

In our experience, we knew we were giving her the next best thing to my breast milk, and we were right. We are now looking for a new doctor. Thank you Sally for your wonderful recipe.

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Reply to Marie Rule
written by tjboyd, Dec 05 2012

Can you buy extra raw milk and skim the cream from the top?

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Reply to Lara
written by tjboyd, Dec 05 2012

Gelatin is added as a good source of minerals. You can warm the formula a little if you need to make it more liquid.

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Cream?
written by Marie Rule, Dec 04 2012

Is the couple of TBSP of cream necessary. I can buy grass-fed raw milk but I cannot locate cream that has not been ultra pasteurized. Help!!??

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Baby can't handle the oils in the formula
written by nnpower, Nov 29 2012

Is this type safe and been used in infants of around 4 months? my baby is 4.5 months old now and absolutely vetoed the homemade goats milk formula last night. she spat, blew raspberries, fake gagged, pushed it away, etc for about 15 minutes to illustrate exactly what she thought of that bottle. ive had her on variations of it for the past few days. the ones that include oils aggravate her reflux really bad. ive tried the dr sears version which she stomached better but still refused. plus i was worried about her nutrition as it only consists of goats milk, water, sugar, and multivitamins. to top it off she was really constipated with goats milk even after adding blackstrap molasses and probiotics id try a cows milk variation but im worried shes slightly sensitive to cows milk and id still have the issue with the oils.

shes a bit underweight, refusing bottles, has bad reflux, mild excema, chronic cough, sneezing and congestion, and a perpetual diaper rash. shes a very picky eater and has a sensitive stomach.

shes tried ALL the formulas here in the usa including nutramigen, alimentum, elecare, and neocate. she failed them miserably and actually does better with normal milk based formulas. im currently special ordering an organic formula from england that she takes better, but all the above symptoms are back. Do you think the oil free recipes are enough? I add poly vi sol and probiotics to my recipe. Also, I use meyenberg brand as I do not have access to fresh raw milk or any raw milk or farm fresh organic ingredients. I think Meyenberg is supposed to be fortified with ample amounts of folic acid and vitamin d if I'm not mistaken?

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Good info
written by peace, Nov 22 2012

Thanks for sharing once again, the great info.

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Gelatin in formula
written by Lara, Nov 08 2012

What are the health benefits or reason for adding the gelatinous to homemade formula? I ask as I wonder what implications there are to leave these out as it makes formula so jelly like. Thanks

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flax seed benefits
written by guy, Nov 05 2012

Will someone help me to find more details about how to find a way to having an outstanding Flaxseed oil vegetable with omega nutrition dishes ?

i want to create a awesome "more than reasonable" foods to my gust,
in most circumstances they not much like natural foods to say the record ,
so please it require your support
make me persuade them that health and fitness food can go with the phrase "wonderfully enchanting fulfill diner"

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liver formula separating
written by ashley, Oct 25 2012

My liver formula separates after I liquify it....can this be remedied?

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written by Stacy Blackman, Oct 05 2012

Could you please advise as to which of the ingredients for the raw milk formula should be refrigerated after opening?

Many thanks!

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Spitting up?
written by Rick, Sep 25 2012

Our 7 week old has been breastfed only with the exception of a little bit of this formula in the first week maybe 2 bottles worth. Last night we needed to give him a bottle of it because my wife has a yeast issue in her breasts and we are trying to clear that up. We woke up to my son choking on spit up, he spit up a lot of the formula. My question is, could that be just a one time thing because he hasn't had it in a while or could he have an issue with the formula. I increased the cream by a tablespoon because he is a big boy (12lbs 6oz at 6.5 weeks).

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Reply to Ridgeback
written by tjboyd, Aug 20 2012

Raw goat milk from a good source would be best. There are links to powerpoints on milk safety at www.realmilk.com

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Goat milk- raw?
written by Ridgeback, Aug 20 2012

I am considering using your goat milk recipe, but am wondering if I should use raw goats milk (which I can get and drink myself when I do) or pasteurized?

Also, do you have any suggestions or even links to info that can be given to my relatives who are horrified that I would consider giving my baby raw milk? They are totally brainwashed by the mainstream media that raw milk KILLS babies. UGH.

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Reply to Concerned Mom from Sally
written by tjboyd, Aug 07 2012

Absolutely not, you haven't done any harm, we recommend cod liver oil in the formula, even from a couple weeks old. The recommendation to start cod liver oil for at 3 months is for breast fed babies (whose mothers are taking cod liver oil)

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Cod Liver Oil?
written by Concerned Mom, Aug 06 2012

Please help! I have been feeding our adopted newborn the goat milk forumla since he was 3 weeks old. I did not realize that I was supposed to wait on givning him the cod liver oil until he was 3 months old and have been giving him 1/2 tsp of the Green Pastures fermented oil from the Radiant Life kit. He is almost 2 months now. Have I done something dangerous to his health? I am very worried, so any advice is much appreciated.

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written by Steph, Aug 02 2012

Hi All, I live in the middle east and have few ingredients available. I am looking at the liver formula. My question is when you go out for the day how do you heat the bottles? Can they liver based be drank at room temp if it has been cooked and refrigerated? Probably sole answers but am a first time mum living in a place that is 50 Celsius at the moment! Don't want to risk food poisoning

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HVBO??
written by Jennifer V, Jul 27 2012

I have been making this fantastic formula for my baby since about 6 weeks. Love it. However, there seems to be a massive shortage of high vitamin butter oil so I cannot put it in the formula. I ran out months ago and cannot get more. I know it is an "optional" ingredient but the synergy of HVBO and FCLO seems to be a significant point in the WAPF teaching. Can I substitute some raw butter to help my baby benefit from this synergistic effect? If so, what amount per batch do you recommend? Do you know why we can't get HVBO anymore? Thank you for any insight. This formula is growing a VERY healthy and happy and big (97th % for height and weight) baby!!

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RESPONSE TO MARISA 6/25/2012
written by Liebe, Jul 16 2012

Marisa, I've had the same issues of it being too thick for baby to suck out! Everything is fine until about 1/4 of a batch is left and for some reason coagulates when I heat it up! The weird thing is, it never used to do this. So what I find helpful when I heat it up is stir, stir, stir every second til it dissolves, which helps it not to coagulate as much. I cut a TINY slit in a nipple bottle and put the formula in there, and that helps tremendously.

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Nutrition info...
written by Rosendin , Jul 15 2012

Hi, I made this goat milk formula, I decided to calculate the calories and carbs and proteins, and I have different numbers than the once provided in the chart where the formulas are compared to human milk. Why is that? I followed the instructions..... I basically have a little more of calories, of carbs and fats with proteins....

Do I ad cow's milk cream to goat milk formula? I cannot find goat cream.

Is the formula supposed to become a little like jello? Is that normal?????

Thanks.

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quick technical questions
written by Joe, Jul 11 2012

I am fortunate enough to live in a place with a lot of health food sores, so i can get most of this around me, but I have some questions:

a: most places that sell bifidobacterium sell a strain that also contains lactobacillus. Is that a problem, or will the lactobacillus be as beneficial for a baby as it would be for me and you?

b: if the milk I have is 100% grass fed and lightly pasteurized (mass produced, so it's not 100% raw) will that work? Should I still culture it a bit? I'm not sure how. You mention using keifer cultures, but I'm not 100% sure of the process. the whole milk from this company is very thick and contains lots of good cream (it is not homogenized, which is nice).

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Cream on the formula?
written by leslie, Jun 27 2012

what type of cream are we talking about here? which brand and where can i find it?

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TO BRETT
written by Anonymous, Jun 25 2012

Try Goats milk formula, your baby may be allergic to cow's milk proteins (yes, even raw milk).

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Baby can't suck it out of the bottle!!!!
written by Marisa, Jun 25 2012

I use Dr Browns bottles for feedings. However my 5 week old can't seem to suck out the formula cause it is too thick???? I also breast feed and he does fine with this - approx 3 ounces over 30 minutes if on the breast or he can eat 5 oz of breast milk out of the bottle..... He really needs to be eating 5 oz at this stage cause he's 10lbs 14oz in weight. But he can't suck the formula out! Its too thick with lots of fat floating around ------ What am I supposed to do???? Have I done something wrong? Do I need to put a bigger hole in the nipples? Do I need to change the process of putting everything together?

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babys only formula
written by Brett, Jun 23 2012

We have been using the cows milk formula and have replaced the yeast with vitamin b and maple syrup (grade b) but our daughter is still seeming constipated (not as bad as it was but still goes days without pooping) and is throwing up. We dont know what else to do so we are thinking of trying the babys only you reference- but how much cod liver oil should we add per 4 oz? We dont want to give up on the cow milk formula but have to try something else to get her moving again and stop throwing up. she seems to throw up about every 2-3 days, which is the same frequency she poops right now too. Any help would be great! We are feeling like we are failing here.

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written by shannon kimsey, Jun 22 2012

In general, whats better for toddlers? raw cow milk or raw goats milk? THere is a debate in my co-op. Some say goat but I was under the impression it is lacking in some of the nutrients that are still vital at this age. Also, how much raw milk should they be getting at this age. I have been doing 24 ounces a day. Thanks!

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organic pasteurized milk
written by Tara, Jun 20 2012

I have been searching high and low to find raw milk and/or low temp pasteurized milk in my area. I contacted Natural By Nature and was told they do not deliver to my area or surrounding areas. My question is, would it be ok to use organic pasteurized (not ultra) milk to make the homemade formula? I am still nursing but my supply is slowly decreasing (my baby is 5 months). Although not the best option, is it still a better option than using organic formula?

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Reply to Julia from Sally
written by tjboyd, Jun 19 2012

I would wait until he is at least 7 months old for the egg yolk. But you can put him on our homemade baby formula, he should thrive on it!

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Reply to Dafam
written by tjboyd, Jun 19 2012

The cream is added in addition to the whole milk (also containing cream)

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Raw Cows milk question
written by Dafam, Jun 17 2012

In the recipe using cows milk, it states to use Raw milk and also has cream. Should I assume that the cows milk portion excludes the cream that normally gathers on the top? Or should I seperate the cream from the milk and use only the amount of cream the recipe calls for? Thank you.

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For a preemie: start yolk at actual or adjusted age?
written by Julia, Jun 17 2012

My baby was born at 29 weeks (nearly three months early). He is now four months old, but based on his gestational age/due date, he should be only 6 weeks old. He was on breast milk for his first 11 weeks of life before my milk supply tanked.

Should I start him on egg yolk now since it's been four months since he was born, or should I wait until he's "really" four months old (in other words the size and age he's supposed to be for a four-month old -- four months after his due date)?

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Reply to Gwen from Sally
written by tjboyd, Jun 13 2012

Yes, that is fine, you can leave it out.

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Reply to Camille from Sally
written by tjboyd, Jun 13 2012

We have had a few cases like this, and suggest that you try the liver formula--it has been lifesaving to babies who just could not tolerate the dairy formula.

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Reply to Arshiya from Sally
written by tjboyd, Jun 13 2012

This sounds OK, I would not worry about it. At eight months, the baby should also be getting solid food.

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Reply to Maureen
written by tjboyd, Jun 12 2012

The formula should stay good in the refrigerator for a week and in the freezer for a month.

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written by Arshiya, Jun 08 2012

I recently switched my 8mo to cow's milk formula and noticed that his stools are much looser...not every time, but definitely a noticeable difference from when he was breastfeeding. He doesn't seem to be gassy or in any discomfort, but i just want to make sure the stool change is not due to allergy or sensitivity to cow's milk. Please advise. Thanks!

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Baby is throwing up, advice needed!
written by Camille, Jun 08 2012

Our daughter is 6 mos. old. We tried the goat milk version of this formula a month ago. She drank it down quickly and threw up within a few hours, about 10 times. She refused the bottle the next time we tried. We've alternated between goat milk diluted with water & the fortified version of commercial formula since then. The commercial formula is very constipating. With diluted goat milk, she is hungry every 2 hours, even though she's drinking 7 oz. at a time.

Last week, we ordered the exact ingredients from radiant life thinking it would make a difference. We tried again last night, but she refused the bottle again and everything came up just from the few drinks she had before realizing what it was. Guessing there are more families who have gotten through this and found a way to make it work. Any advice would be appreciated as we need to figure out a solution soon. Thanks!

Yes, we know the farmer and trust the source. The goats are organically fed and we live close enough to pick up milk within a few hours after it's collected.

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How long is it good for?
written by Maureen, May 28 2012

How long will this stay fresh in the refrigerator? Since this yields 36 ounces, I may only need to make it every other day. Also, if I make a larger batch and freeze, how long will that stay good in the freezer?

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YEAST FLAKES
written by Gwen, May 19 2012

Hi,
I'm currently breastfeeding my 6 months old baby, but have gone back to work and will run out of frozen supply soon. I would really like to use this formula, but can't seem to find yeast flakes (I live in France). Are they absolutely necessary, or is there anything I can substitute them with ?
Thank you
Gwen

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Preemie Story
written by Jennifer, May 08 2012

Hi, I had a preemie in November of 2010. He was 10 weeks early and weighed 2 pounds at birth. He spent 4 months in the NICU, had chronic lung disease and came home on oxygen, which he was on for 2 months. I breast fed him for 4 months and the hospital added commercial formula to boost his calories. I would not make enough milk after trying everything. I was so upset about this and began to look for alternatives. I hated giving him commercial formula. Finally, after a short time I found the WPF formula recipe. I began making the raw goats milk formula and ordered my ingredients from Radiant Life. He had 10 doctors in the NICU. Many of these doctors were following him after we were discharged from the hospital. The doctors said he would probably be very sick his first year of life and would most likely be hospitalized several times his first year. I am blessed and happy to say that his health improved so dramatically that most of his doctors don't have to see him anymore and the most he ever had his first year of being home was a cold, which I gave him! He is a miracle baby and has thrived on this formula. The doctors have been very impressed and always comment on how alert, aware and smart he is! He has finally hit the growth charts, has never lost weight and continues to grow normally. He's 17 months old now and his chronic lung disease is gone. We can't thank the Lord enough and WPF enough for providing us with an alternative to commercial formula!

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curdling
written by sasha, May 08 2012

I made this for the first time today and my 11 mo old drank 4 oz no problem. when I went to warm up the second bottle, I noticed that it had curdled almost, more like became gelatinous...is this suppose to happen or should it stay in a liquid form (like milk)? I dont know if it was temperature or the chunkiness that turned him off from the second. I did not add lactose as I could not find it, I used the goat milk formula with fortified milk (working on getting raw milk tomorrow). Suggestions? is there anything I could use for lactose substitute?

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written by Liebe, May 07 2012

Thank you so much Natshultz! Now another concern. Cod liver oil. I am VERY VERY concerned about toxic and compromised fish in the ocean nowadays with the Gulf spill, Fukoshima, and just regular toxic runoff that is contaminating the oceans more and more. I personally am cutting out all fish from my diet effective asap, and do not want to include this oil in the formula. Is there ANY other substitute for the cod liver oil?

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Coconut oil emulsification
written by Norbu, May 01 2012

The cows milk formula has been very successful for my daughter and fortunately I live in an area where all the ingredients are easily obtained. The only difficulty I have encountered is the solidification of the Coconut oil after it cools back down in the fridge. I have tried a few different ways to get the coconut oil to emulsify into the formula but have been unsuccessful and I'm hoping someone has figured out this problem. Is adding soy lethicin acceptable? Or should I try a different brand of coconut oil that is extracted differently? Currently I am using Nutivia Extra Virgin Coconut Oil. Thanks for the help.

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Reply to Christina from Sally
written by tjboyd, May 01 2012

I would suggest making smaller bottles so baby finishes with each feeding. Yes, I would throw out what is leftover after two hours.

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written by christina kalix, Apr 30 2012

question: how long is a bottle of the raw milk formula good for once started? should I throw out what baby doesn't finish after 2 hours or is it good for a longer time? please respond. Thank you!

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Raw egg yolk in formula?
written by Odddlycrunchy, Apr 28 2012

Would it be ok to just add the raw egg yolk to the formula for a 4-month old? Does the egg need to be cooked as described or can I just separate the yolk & white?

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Cream for baby formula
written by Odddlycrunchy, Apr 28 2012

Please tell us what % fat is in the cream - stores carry 10% to 40% laballed as cream. Thanks.

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Coconut Oil Substitute
written by HopeF, Apr 24 2012

My baby is 6 mos. and we are just starting out with this raw goat milk formula. However, he is extremely allergic to coconuts. Is omitting the coconut a big deal? Or is there something we could substitute with?
Also, I have seen variations of this recipe that call for black strap molasses. Do you know what this is not included here? Should we use it?
THank you!

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Reply to Debbie
written by DePaw, Apr 18 2012

Debbie, the growth charts for newborns are based off commercial formula fed babies, breastfeed babies always lag behind slightly and doctors always try to fatten them up artificially. If your baby is happy and you're feeding her when she's hungry, she'll be getting all she needs. If you still want to increase her calorie intake, you need to slowly work up to 4 additional tablespoons of cream, not change it suddenly.

Do not add commercial formula powder to her milk, it's rancid oxidised artificial crap!

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written by Debbie, Apr 14 2012

We adopted our baby girl at birth. Our birth mom sent us home with some pumped breast milk and we alternated that with the homemade formula. Things went well for the first few days. She was born at 7 lbs 3 oz on 3/27. She was back up to 7 lbs 4 oz by 4/2 and our pediatrician was on board with this formula. Cool, huh? On 4/4 we received more breast milk from our birth mom and we continued to alternate. At 4/9, she was only 7 lbs 5 oz and our pediatrician asked how we could boost her caloric intake. She was eating 3-4 oz. every 3-4 hours, which was good. She asked us to double the cream and add 1 tsp of commercial formula powder to every 3 oz. of breast milk to make her gain weight faster. So, we went home and made a batch of formula with 4 Tbsp cream and she started spitting up. Not a lot at first, but pretty steadily, where she hadn't during that first week. And, we hate to add commercial formula to breast milk. Do you have any other suggestions to boost her caloric intake? We've been using mostly breast milk this week since we have it, and her spit ups have declined, although they still happen to a lesser degree. We will weigh again on 4/16 and hope she is gaining to our pediatrician's satisfaction.

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Excess Linoleic acid
written by DePaw, Apr 12 2012

Why does the infant formulas include lots of vegetable oils like sunflower and olive oil? These are very high in linoleic acid. I know their formulated to be the same as breast milk but breast milk's linoleic acid content has be increasing due to vegetable oil consumption.

http://180metabolism.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/LA-in-breast-milk-Ailhaud.jpg

There is strong evidence that this excess of linoleic acid is dangerous. As linoelic acid intake increases, so does it's build up in fatty tissues.

http://chriskresser.chriskresserlac.netdna-cdn.com/images/hufa2.jpg?d9c344

And this greatly increases CHD risk, amongst other things.

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The formulas are 9-12% linoleic acid as percentage of fat, which is around the current level in breast milk. However from my first graph we can clearly see that breast milk linoleic acid has increases lately, and the ideal linoleic acid concentration is less than 5% of total fats. The current omega 6:3 ratio in breast milk is 7.8, where-as it's known that

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written by natschultz, Apr 10 2012

Sunflower vs. Camelina Oil:

This is in response to Liebe's question.

NO! The Sunflower Oil in the recipe is meant to provide the Omega-6 Essential Fatty Acids without too much Omega-3. This balances out the O-3 in the Cod Liver Oil.
Camelina has a profile similar to Flax Seed Oil - too much O-3 (ALA) vs. O-6. Also, Camelina is actually derived from a Brassica (like Canola), so I don't know that I would give it to a baby (not sure if the oil itself is a goitrogen), as related plants can cause Thyroid problems if not cooked.

This is the Fatty Acid profile of Camelina (from Wikipedia):
Over 50% of the fatty acids in cold pressed camelina oil are polyunsaturated. The major components are alpha-linolenic acid - C18:3 (omega-3-fatty acid, approx 35-45%) and linoleic acid - C18:2 (omega-6 fatty acid, approx 15-20%).

This is the Fatty Acid profile of Sunflower Oil (also Wiki):
Palmitic acid : 4 - 9%
Stearic acid : 1 - 7%
Oleic acid : 14 - 40%
Linoleic acid : 48 - 74%

What you WANT is the high Linoleic (Omega-6), as opposed to a high LinoleNic (Omega-3).

A Note about Sunflower Oils - BE CAREFUL: There are varieties that are bred to be "High Oleic" Sunflower Oils - that is similar to Olive Oil - a MONOunsaturated fat. You DO NOT want to buy that. Make sure to buy the expeller or cold-pressed traditional unrefined Sunflower Oil. Get it from Radiant Life (Flora brand); DO NOT buy Mountain Rose Herbs' variety - it is High Oleic. In the formula recipe you NEED the POLYunsaturated variety!

Honestly, if you are using CLO and Olive Oil in your formula, there really is NO replacement for traditional Sunflower Oil - it is the ONLY oil with mostly Omega-6. The next closest Fatty Acid profiles come from Peanut Oil (many children have peanut allergies, though), and Corn (TOXIC - GMO / pesticides), and Cottonseed (TOXIC - GMO / pesticides).

If I HAD to choose an alternate oil to replace the Sunflower Oil, I would probably go with Sesame Seed Oil (Flora - cold-pressed, UNrefined - from Radiant Life).
EFA profile for Sesame Seed Oil:
43% O-6, 43% O-9, 12% Saturated

For Reference, Flora Sunflower Oil's EFA is:
64% O-6, 29% O-9, 12% Saturated

The third-best would be European Pumpkin Seed Oil (Flora - cold-pressed, UNrefined - from Radiant Life). It MUST be the Euro variety though - it comes from a specific variety of pumpkin (not the Jack-O-Lantern variety).
Pumpkin Seed Oil EFA profile (from Radiant Life):
43% O-6, 36% O-9, 13% O-3.

Hope this helps!

PS: The varieties of oil in these recipes are NOT random! I found a website online where the WAP recipe was totally tweaked with crazy amounts of Hemp milk - after really analyzing it, it was a total disaster - it was ALL Omega-3 with ZERO added Monounsaturated fat (she deleted the Olive Oil and replaced it with Flax seed oil), and ZERO added Polyunsaturated fat (she also deleted the Sunflower Oil).

Remember, the key word in Essential Fatty Acids (EFA's) is ESSENTIAL! Your body cannot make them on its own - you MUST CONSUME THEM in your diet!

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whey question
written by Allison , Mar 27 2012

I want to make my own whey from raw goat milk. Can the curds be used for anything once the milk separates into curds and whey? Also, how long can the raw milk sit out at room temperature before going bad? I see it can take up to 6 days to get it to separate. Thank you

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Reply to Norbu
written by tjboyd, Mar 26 2012

Infant formula can be frozen for at least a few months and can be refrigerated for at least a week.

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written by Norbu, Mar 25 2012

I have not found it stated anywhere how long the cows milk formula will last refrigerated and if freezing is feasible and the period of time it will stay good frozen. Thanks for any info concerning these issues.

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Switching from the Raw Milk Formula to straight raw milk
written by Tanna, Mar 22 2012

I have been trying to wean my baby off of the raw milk formula. I want him to switch to straight milk, since he is a year old. However, when I tried doing this he broke out in a rash, even though he's been having raw milk in his formula for months now. Is this normal and what can I give him? I would like to switch him over but I am very confused now. Thanks for your help!

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written by mary g, Mar 12 2012

"nutritional yeast flakes" -- are they required for this formula to be edible? I am traveling abroad currently for 3 weeks with my son and my bottle of yeast flakes was crushed entirely in my check-in luggage is yeast flakes absolutely required for this recipe or can I do without it for 3 weeks in the baby formula? i have all other ingredients. or.... is there a good substitute that I can try to find/buy while abroad? please remember that I am in a foreign country and don't really know where the stores are to buy specific ingredients.
thank you in advance.

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substitute oils
written by Liebe, Mar 02 2012

Hi. Can I substitute unrefined camelina gold oil in place of the unrefined sunflower oil for the milk formula anyone know?

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Milk Allery - Liver Formula - Whey???
written by Rebecca Kotz, Feb 26 2012

I'm confused how I can use the homemade whey in the "liver formula" with my baby that has a milk allergy. Doesn't the milk allergy make the whey a problem for my baby? Is there something else I can use to substitute the whey in the liver formula recipe?

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Vitamin A toxicity in liver based formula?
written by Megan, Jan 24 2012

Can someone please explain to me how 20,000 IUs of Vitamin A is a safe level for a baby to consume per day? This is the amount listed for the liver based formula, but as I understand it, it is unsafe for an *adult* to consume 25,000IUs per day. Vitamin A toxicity can be acute or long-term, meaning that it can build up over time...

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Reply to Amy
written by tjboyd, Jan 16 2012

That is correct.. Freeze the liver and then grate it into the formula. Because the liver has been frozen, it doesn't need to be cooked.

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written by Amy, Jan 13 2012

I really want to try the goat's milk formula. I am very confused about the liver though. Is the liver supposed to be frosen raw and then grated into the goat's milk while it is frozen? It doesn't need to be cooked or anything?

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Raw Milk
written by William Y., Jan 04 2012

I am very interested in trying the homemade formula for my 6 month old daughter. I understand the reasoning for the use of raw milk vs. pasturized milk. I'm struggling with this because society has pounded into our heads that pasturized is better, but now through your website I am discovering that this is not the case. I am wondering if there has ever been or if you know of any babies ever becoming sick due to contaminated raw milk?

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Reply to Nephrite & Crystal
written by tjboyd, Nov 29 2011

Yes, the goat milk formula is made the same way. We can't really say whether goat milk or broth based formula is better. You would have to try it and see.

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Eczema- Goats Milk or Liver Based?
written by Nephrite, Nov 28 2011

I would also love the answer to this... sorry if I missed it...

written by Crystal , May 16 2011
My son can not tolerate the cow's milk based formula so I am gong to try the Goat's Milk. Do I still make the formula the same as the cow's milk? Do I still use the whey and cream?
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My daughter gets congested on the cows milk, and now her skin since 5 months has started to get bumpy, we found out she has eczema. She struggles while drinking, and can not drink much at a time, and I have to give her plenty of water in between bottles, or she gets constipated. I have taken away many other things that could be the problem, but the rashes remain. Her eyes get watery after each feeding, and that's when he chin and cheeks get irritated the most. Is the Goat milk better, or should I go straight to the broth based formula?

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written by Teresa Blatt, Nov 23 2011

Could someone please tell me the egg yolk and liver at 4 months old do you feed that to them with a spoon or blend in with the raw cow milk formula?

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Reply to Jessica
written by tjboyd, Nov 22 2011

Raw milk is best. You can go to realmilk.com to check availability in your state.

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can i use kefir instead of milk?
written by jessica, Nov 20 2011

if i need to use pasteurized milk instead of raw and would then culture it to add back enzymes, can i just skip the home culture step and use a high quality kefir instead of milk? i'm trying to help a friend get started with the formula and i think it will be too much management for her to be culturing milk all the time. thanks!

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Reply to Katie Q from Sally Fallon Morell
written by tjboyd, Oct 20 2011

The best thing to do in this circumstance is leave out the cod liver oil and see what happens. If the rash goes away, then you know it is the clo. It is fine to leave it out. When you introduce solid food, a major item should be chicken liver puree. He will get the same nutrients from that as he would from cod liver oil.

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baby allergic to FCLO
written by Katie Q, Oct 19 2011

Hi, I was wondering if there is a substitute I can use for the fermented cod liver oil. My 5mo has been having an itchy rash all over his head and face for the last few months. I am wondering if he is allergic to milk (as I am) and was hoping to make the goat milk formula for him. I have given him some FCLO with his regular when he was 4 mo and now at 5mo but he always breaks out in a rash. Is there a substitute I can use when making the goat milk formula? Thanks!

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Calories
written by Laura, Sep 15 2011

Hello,

How many calories are in a 8oz bottle of the liver formula? (aprox estimate)
I would have to substitute de lactose for glucose and remove the whey because of allergies. My boy is in the low weight range so I have to watch for calories. I am cooking for the first time the formula today. Thank you!

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written by natschultz, Sep 13 2011

I just found a supplier of Organic Nutritional Yeast, and they have a very interesting page on how their Organic Yeast is produced versus conventional Nutritional Yeast. I think it is very interesting, and scary at the same time! I found Bragg yeast, and it says that it is "rinsed," and non-GMO (uses beet molasses) but NOT organic - Bragg claims yeast cannot be "organic" because it is not an agricultural product - that is BUNK!

The organic yeast producer is in Germany and it is grown on organic grain, but reading about the two different production processes is very interesting (conventional uses chemicals and SYNTHETIC vitamins and minerals). They do have an American distributor listed on their site. Also, they claim that they are willing to work with organic food manufacturers and grow their yeast on a different medium if needed for specialty foods (I'm thinking about Celiacs / wheat allergies).

http://www.organic-yeast.com/cms/Herstellung_Agrano_agra_en.html

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written by natschultz, Sep 13 2011

Regarding Lactose / sugar: ALL cells REQUIRE Glucose, therefore saying "I want to avoid feeding my baby sugar / lactose" is the equivalent to saying "I want my baby to be brain-dead."

Lactose is the healthiest source of Glucose and Galactose - healthy babies will have no problem digesting Lactose into those two NECESSARY monosaccharides. However, if your baby truly IS "Lactose intolerant" (triggered by an autoimmune reaction), then you MUST still provide at least PURE GLUCOSE in the form of Dextrose in the formula. That is why all commercial non-dairy formula's are mostly Corn Syrup. DO NOT USE CORN-DERIVED DEXTROSE though!!! It is GMO!!!

Use ORGANIC TAPIOCA Dextrose! The same glucose, but NOT toxic! Google it and a few sources will come up.

BTW: Frontier Nutritional Yeast is made from cane and BEET Molasses - I'd be VERY WARY since almost all sugar beets now grown in the USA are GENETICALLY MODIFIED!!! Note that Frontier's products are NOT certified organic, and therefore cannot be trusted

You can get ORGANIC Nutritional Yeast, but it is grown on wheat, so maybe not that great. Perhaps you can grow your own on organic CANE molasses, or else perhaps just use a liquid Folic Acid supplement instead.

There is nothing "Natural" about American sugar beets, and Frontier does NOT list all the actual ingredients OR their sources (of Kelp, for example), so I'd be VERY WARY of their products.

I won't eat ANY American products containing the word "Sugar" unless it specifically states ORGANIC CANE on the label, so why in the world would I feed it to a baby? Imported European sweets are OK for now since the EU does not allow GMO sugar beets to be grown there (virtually ALL European "sugar" is derived from beets). Also, avoid mass-manufactured American chocolate products - it contains a genetically engineered chemical created to replace the (expensive) cocoa butter content. This is NOT allowed in European chocolate.

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coconut oil
written by Kathryn, Sep 03 2011

my 5mo is allergic to coconut... I'm looking for a replacement for the coconut oil in all of the recipes.
Thanks.

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written by Lois, Sep 01 2011

My daughter is old enough to hold her bottle up. Unfortunately I had her on the little amount of breast milk I could pump and goats milk. I am now incorporating beef liver and and other meats. Would it be ok to add yeast flakes to her goat milk for folic acid and continue to feed her liver with egg yolks? Also is raw goats milk that is fed non-organic grains better than pasteurized non homogenized grass/lightly grain fed cows milk? Thank you!

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THIS SAVED MY SON
written by Michelle, Jun 17 2011

I love this formula my son has been on this formula since he was 3months old as I could not breast feed he loves this milk and will not drink anything else but this milk. He is 1 years old now and he is huge 30 pounds 32 inches long and growing he has had no shots and has only been sick once since he was born I feed him the Raw milk now without all the oils now and just add multi vitamins in it instead he loves it. And I don't really put that much lactose milk sugar in it anymore.

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Vitamin questions
written by Jay, Jun 04 2011

I've been feeding this formula to my twin boys for several weeks now, and they are doing well on it. One thing that occurred to me though is that while my wife was able to breastfeed, we were constantly reminded to add vitamin D supplements to their diet "to prevent Rickets". Looking at the nutritional values of this formula I see that vitamin D is slightly lower than human breast milk. Should I be concerned? Should we supplement vitamin D as though we are feeding breast milk? If so, how much should be added to one batch of formula?

On that note, I noticed that vitamin A is quite a bit higher than it is in breast milk. There is also a comment on this above that was never answered. Is this a concern?

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newborn to 3 months vitamin DRI/RDA info
written by Laura, May 16 2011

My son is 6 weeks old and we're switching from Similac Sensitive to the homemade formula using goats milk. The recipe says to be careful with dosing of Vitamin A and lists a DRI/RDA for children over 3 months of age but I can't find any information on the DRI/RDA for children under 3 months of age. Can someone point me to a reliable source for this info?

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written by Crystal , May 16 2011

My son can not tolerate the cow's milk based formula so I am gong to try the Goat's Milk. Do I still make the formula the same as the cow's milk? Do I still use the whey and cream?

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Making less than 36 oz of formula
written by Helen, Apr 06 2011

I would like to supplement breast milk for my twins with the cow-based formula. Since you do not recommend storing the milk and if I need to make less than 36 oz, what is the best thing to do?

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Allergic to Coconut Oil
written by Melissa, Feb 11 2011

My daughter is 10 months old and is allergic to all tree nuts (including coconut). Is there an oil that could be substituted for that in the cows milk or goats milk formula recipes?

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Lactose question
written by Milena, Dec 25 2010

Hi there,
I have been feeding my 7 mos old daughter the raw cow milk formula since she was 4 mos old and she is thriving! Also feeding her egg yolk which she now loves(at first she hated it so I hid it in banana puree
My question is regarding the amount of lactose added to the formula.
Based on this website: http://www.parentingscience.co...-milk.html
- Human milk is 7% lactose = 4.5 tbsp for 36 ounces
- Cow milk is 4.8% lactose
= 1.5 tbsp for 2 cups milk added to the formula

Hence, since the cow milk we add to the formula already has 1.5 tbsp worth of lactose, shouldn't we only be adding 3 more tbsp of lactose to the formula, not 4 tbsp, to mimic the human breast milk content (4.5 tbsp)?

Thanks!

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Rationale for ingredients in the formula
written by Persephone Counts, Dec 22 2010

I am wondering what the purpose of putting sunflower and olive oil would be in the liver formula. Also, can krill oil be substituted for cod liver oil? Finally, I second the question about lactose. I realize the baby probably needs some carbohydrates to get energy. How about coconut nectar from the company called coconut secret? Just ideas. Feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Persephone

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written by Erin, Sep 25 2010

I am just wondering what the benefits are of adding lactose to the formulas. I am trying to keep sugar out of my baby's diet, so is it necessary to add lactose?

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Vitamins
written by Kristi, Sep 22 2010

As I scroll down this list, I notice there are alot of vitamins that are 4 and 5 times the amount over breastmilk. PLEASE do your research before using ANY of these 'recipes' to supplement breastmilk. Excessive amounts of vitamins (and deficient amounts as well) can cause SERIOUS medical problems for babies. For example, the excessive amounts of Vitamin A in the formula (5000IU, 5000IU, 20,000IU vs 946IU in breastmilk) can cause liver failure! Deficient amounts of Vitamin E can cause neurological conditions. I urge ANYONE considering using these homemade supplements to do the research!!!

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written by Nikki, Sep 10 2010

Hi there,

Can anyone help? I just returned to work after having my second son (who is 5 weeks old now) and we are concerned that I won't be able to keep up pumping enough milk for him while he is being watched by my mother. He is a great eater, I absolutely do not want to supplement with junky formula, but am worried that I won't have time to make the raw milk formula suggested here with being back to work fulltime, a four year old, husband & household to take care of...does anyone know if this raw milk baby formula is available to purchase?

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Liver
written by Candice Linn, Jul 31 2010

I have a 5 month old. My milk production has decreased. I want to continue nursing. Would this be a good time to introduce egg yolk with liver? and continue to nurse?

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egg yolks for baby
written by Viola, Jul 10 2010

When I made soft-boiled egg yolk for my baby I generally boiled the water first and then gently placed in the egg using a slotted spoon. The egg must be at room temperature in order to minimize the chance cracking when first placed in the boiling water (very fresh eggs they can be stored at room temperature for several weeks without going bad). I then boiled for 4 minutes - 15 sec less for a smaller egg and 15 sec more for a larger one.

PS Yes, Godblessusall, my baby is indeed an animal, and so am I, and so are you, and so is everyone else on this great planet. How fun!

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Cooking Egg Yolks
written by Carrie, Jun 24 2010

Thanks, Gennifer! Your method was easy and worked better than most others I've tried.

I'm new to soft-boiled eggs. Are the whites supposed to be pretty much solid? When I made the eggs, the whites were opaque but still more like a runny gel than a coherent solid. I had hoped for a nice solid white that would hold its shape while I poured out the yolk. Is this realistic, or should I get used to the runny white?

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Cooking Egg Yolks for Baby
written by Gennifer Johnson, Jun 17 2010

You will have to experiment with boiling an egg to cook the white while leaving the yolk uncooked or soft/barely cooked. There are so many variables: pan size, lid on/off, egg & water temp, big v small burner, gas v electric, letting water heat up first v putting egg in room temp water, burner temp, etc. Here's my method that works most of the time:

small pan
small electric burner
place 3 refrigerated eggs in pan & cover with room temp water (3 eggs because I'd eat 2 + leftovers)
put lid on pan
set burner to med heat (6 on mine)
set timer for 9 min
turn off stove & leave pan on hot burner
set timer for 9 more min

Egg whites should be cooked & yolks runny or barely cooked. Tweak the protocol for your home. Best of Luck!

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Cooking Egg Yolks for Baby?
written by Carrie, Jun 11 2010

The instructions for cooking the egg say to boil the egg for 3 1/2 minutes. Can you provide more detailed instructions?

For example, do you put the egg into cold water and heat it to a rolling boil, then start timing? Or do you put the egg into the water after it starts boiling? Do you start with a cold (refrigerated) egg, or do you let the egg come to room temperature first? Do you dunk the egg in cold water after boiling to stop the cooking process?

I've read instructions for making soft-boiled eggs that indicate you should bring water to a bare simmer, around 180 F, then put the eggs in for exactly 6 minutes. Some recipes say to keep the water at 180 F for the duration; others say to remove it from the heat source but put a lid on the pot. Yet another method suggests slow-cooking the egg for 45 minutes in a 140 F water bath. Would the yolk heat up too much using one of these methods?

There's a lot of information out there on boiling eggs, and I'm more confused than when I started researching it! If you could provide more details on your egg yolk recipe, or whether any soft-boiled method would work, that would be very helpful.

To Sally Fallon and Mary Enig: Thank you for the WAPF and for your book, Nourishing Traditions! You have given me the courage and the conviction to make good, truly nutritious food for my family. God bless you.

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TheGoodDoctor
written by TheGoodDoctor, May 19 2010

To GodBlessYouAll,

Please tell me your comment "is your baby and animal?" is not a serious statement. Here is a news flash that may suprise you..."yes your baby is an animal!" And another news flash "so are you!" We are called mammals, which is part of the animial kingdom. You get into problems when you try and seperate yourself from the animal kingdom. You have the same needs as any other animal out there. If you have moral or ethical objections to consuming animal products so be it, I won't object. However, we are mammals and more specifically omnivores. We are genetically compatible with eating fruits, vegetables, AND meat (as well as other animal sources). Suggesting eating a large amount of grain (i.e. rice milk) is a big mistake. The problem most vegans or vegetarians run into is that they are not Vegetarians they are more properly discribed as Grain-atarians. To much Omega-6 vs. Omega 3 ratio and too acidic.

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Warning: NOW ACEROLA POWDER HAS CHANGED
written by Jane Sherwood, May 01 2010

The new formula includes the chemical form of vitamin C: ascorbic acid.

http://www.nowfoods.com/Products/ProductsbyCategory/Category/M011505.htm?cat=Vitamins

Let's all tell them this is not wanted and ask them to change it back!

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how long does it last in the fridge?
written by Lindsey, Apr 29 2010

I am going to supplement my 6 month old twin boys. Since they only will get about 3 (4 oz) bottle a day, how longdoes the raw milk batch last in the frige? Thanx

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Thank you, WPF!
written by Tatyana Vroman, Apr 09 2010

More than anything else I was afraid that making the formula was going to be unmanageable. I was not worried about the raw milk as I grew up in Russia drinking it warm, practically right from under the cow.
It took me a few times to get comfortable mixing all the ingredients and now I know all the measurements by heart. I make 2 batches at a time so it lasts me for about 3 days. The hardest part for me is to stay on top of my whey. I run out of it and a lot of times end up not using it in the formula. I am also not adding the extra cream as the cows milk that I use is so reach and has about 2 inches of cream on top. Perhaps an expert might let me know if I am wrong for doing so...
I want to say thank you to WPF so much for doing what you are doing!!! I was not making enough milk and when my baby turned 5 months old the doctor told me that he is way underweight and I had to put him on formula. By 6 months my baby wanted to do nothing with breast feeding. And my milk was gone. Now I wish that I didn't listen to the doctor and continue breast feeding, while increasing my nutrient dense foods...Feeling guilty and disappointed I finally pulled myself together and invested in all the ingredients that you need to make baby formula. I never looked back! My boy is healthy, strong, alert, happy and I am so proud of myself for doing the next best thing to the breast milk. I have to say that my boy doesn't like the formula as much as the super sweet conventional formula that I was giving him at first, but when he is hungry, he doesn't mind. He also doesn't take as much of it as the conventional formula, but I am ok with it, realizing how reach it is.
Unfortunately, we can't tell many people that we feed our baby home made formula, even our family because they will judge us, giving us that look: "how can you be experimenting with the health of your baby..." Well, it has been the best experiment so far.
Again, thank you Sally Fallon, thank you WPF!!! I am a health coach and will do my best educating all the moms and dads.

Tatyana Vroman

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"lactose intolerant comment"
written by Sarah J, Apr 06 2010

To the mother saying her child is lactose intolerant, yet reacts to all dairy, including Lactaid. You are likely dealing with (and it certainly sounds like) a milk protein allergy. Cow's milk has some large proteins in it. Sometimes, those proteins appear to the human body to be an invader of some sort and so it reacts in an attempt to attack and "kill" said invader.

This is where the allergy comes in. Green, mucousy stools are a sure indicator that something in the child's diet is not right for that child.

Raw milk will, of course, contain these proteins - so you'd need to try a different route using goat's, hemp, or some other milk (or the liver formula).

Good luck

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Cow-based formula a success in our house
written by Twin Mamma, Mar 22 2010

I am a first time mommy to fraternal twins. They are just turning 4 months old and have been consuming the WAP Baby Formula since they were 3 months. I was not able at any point in the first 4 weeks to produce enough milk to exclusively breastfeed, and turned to commercial formula for a while. But, I felt terrible about using it, and it depressed me.

While I was aware of the WAP recipe during my pregnancy (I never dreamed I'd use it as I thought I'd be a breastfeeding champ), I was overwhelmed in the early weeks with the demands of twins and it took my sister-in-law sourcing the ingredients for me and making it a few times in order for me to get rolling. If you can help a new mom get started by doing it for her, then please do. With all the stress and fatigue of early postpartum, just taking care of making formula for a new mommy is a splendid gift. I cannot articulate the extreme fatigue I experienced with newborn twins, so it took a monumental effort to really get the formula rolling once I was on my own. But, now, I make a double batch every day and I feel great about doing it, knowing that my babies are eating the best food I can find for them. Critics of the formula are certainly entitled to their opinion, but I do not hear much in the way of nutrient dense alternatives being presented (here and on other sites). I just cannot find a better breastmilk substitute, to he honest.

Both babies are thriving and gaining weight well. Their dispositions are mild and pleasant, and they are great sleepers (not sleeping thru the night, yet, though). Both children seem more advanced than the developmental averages in baby books, and both are very strong. I credit good genes AND a great baby formula. I am considering getting the babies tested regularly for anemia, just in case the intestinal bleeding issue affects them.

A few issues I have had:

1. my children seem to eat less than the standard recommendations for commercial formula... perhaps because the formula is so rich and nutrient dense. they are gaining, but i wish WAP would put out a recommended ounces chart.

2. when heating the formula, letting the bottles sit too long in hot water causes the milk to curdle and clog the nipples. it is much less an issue now that we are on stage 2 nipples, which have larger holes. glass bottles seem to exacerbate this issue, but i'm not suggesting plastic bottles are better. i use glass exclusively. you just have to play with the water temp until you get it right.

i hope to keep reporting on the wonderful health and strength of my twins as they mature on the WAP mixture. I am so glad I have this resource.

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mother
written by bonnie, Mar 18 2010

How about live based on result! If your child does best on raw cow milk than give them raw cow milk. If your child does best on the liver formula than give them the liver formula. Ultimately your child will let you know (typically a physiologic response depending on age) what is the best for he or she. So that means you may have to sacrifice your belief system of "no animal milk" for guess what "animal milk!" And the VEGAN way may not be the best thing for your child and thats ok! Live based on result and do the next best thing for you and your babies health. I write this truly with peace and love!

bonnie

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Raw milk formula experience
written by Linda Klukosky, Mar 17 2010

I was reading some of the comments posted by worried moms in regards to giving their children raw milk. This is completely understandable as the dairy industry has brain washed us all to believe, since we started school, that un-pasteurized milk is dangerous. It is a hard mindset to change unless you do the research on this site and REALLY understand the benefits of raw dairy & how superior our modern sanitation methods are. As far as allergies & lactose intolerance go, many people have no reaction to cultured raw milk dairy. I know of a woman who was lactose intolerant all her life and began consuming raw milk yogurt & kefir with no problems. It is the processing of our natural foods that most times creates these intolerances. Of course there will be exceptions. All I can say is do the research & try it. Start with cultured milk (yogurt/kefir) and see if you have a reaction. If not, then try raw milk. My son refused to nurse after only 10 months. I was horrified & tried to get him to nurse but he still refused. I knew there was no way I would ever feed him soy anything or commercial formula. So I ordered what I needed to make raw milk formula & fed him that until he was a year old. He loved it & thrived on it. For the past 2 years both my young children and entire family have been consuming raw dairy products and have had no problems. Good luck to everyone on their own personal quest to feeding themselves and their families better

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Silly comment
written by Jill Nienhiser, Mar 17 2010

The comment from "GODBLESSUALL" is just silly. Don't feed your child animal milk because it contains the essence of the animal's being? Well, why feed almond, hemp, oat, or rice milk then? Why feed a human child the essence of those plants' being?

Human breast milk is best, but the next best substitute when breast feeding is not possible or production is insufficient is an animal formula designed to approximate as closely as possible human breast milk. That's what these formulas do, and they are far closer to the composition of human breast milk than any "milk" made from grains could be.

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IS YOUR BABY AN ANIMAL??, Low-rated comment [Show]

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written by lynne ferris, Mar 04 2010

what do you reccomend for lactose intolerant children. My son drinks soy toddler formula. He cant tolerate milk, lactaid, or soymilk. Anything dairy even with lactase added gives him green stools and or diarrhea.

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Liver based formula for 5 monts old with eczema.
written by Katarzyna Marszalek, Mar 03 2010

Hi.
My 5 month old baby has eczema, really severe recently.I was given by a doctor a hydrolyzed formula but baby does not want to eat it.I am preparing now your raw cow milk formula, I am just worry that she might be allergic to milk.Should I try liver one then?Is it safe for 5 month old?

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my 8 month old baby
written by Shelley Stotler, Feb 26 2010

I have been breastfeeding my baby exclusively thus far and she is 8 months old. I am , however, growing wary and finding it difficult to pump enough milk to cover the time when I am at work. ( 4 serving shifts at a restaurant). I take care of her fulltime during the week, and have to pump every time she naps so I have enough bottles for my husband to feed her. (A total of 5 or 6 a week 25-30 ounces). Would it be to early to introduce whole milk or is it still important to supplement with formula?

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written by Paul, Feb 10 2010

The WAPF recipe actually dilutes the cows milk wit hwater (50/50), so you are not feeding your baby the full, concentrated cow's milk that this article is (probably) talking about. In addition, the warnings in this article about the solute load danger 'when fluid intakes are low and/or when extrarenal losses high'. If your baby is feeding on demand, it should be getting the right amount of fluid, and extrarenal losses (usually due to high temperatures or fever) are low normally. So in short, diluted raw milk fed on demand to a healthy baby (not feverish) should be fine.

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Comparisons
written by John, Jan 21 2010

Molly, I have been studying up on the best replacement milk for infants and I find that sheep milk is the best milk to use; but due to the limited production of it in the US it may be hard to come by.
I think you should consider substituting sheeps milk in place of cows milk if you can find it. Other wise go with the Goats milk.

You can do a nutritional facts search for comparison on google for Goat Milk, Sheep Milk, and Human Milk. I found that the FED has a complete nutritional report on all three.
Here are the links to some nutritional facts on the three.
http://www.nutrientfacts.com/FoodPages/nutritionfacts/nutritionfacts_human_milk.htm
http://www.nutrientfacts.com/searchfood.exe?var=5&form=Goat+Milk+Nutrition+Facts
http://www.nutrientfacts.com/searchfood.exe?var=5&form=Nutrition+Facts+Sheep+milk

Blessings

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written by Molly , Dec 17 2009

Can you respond to this article found here www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17664905:

Adverse effects of cow's milk in infants.

Ziegler EE.

Fomon Infant Nutrition Unit, Department of Pediatrics, University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA.

The feeding of cow's milk has adverse effects on iron nutrition in infants and young children. Several different mechanisms have been identified that may act synergistically. Probably most important is the low iron content of cow's milk. It makes it difficult for the infant to obtain the amounts of iron needed for growth. A second mechanism is the occult intestinal blood loss, which occurs in about 40% of normal infants during feeding of cow's milk. Loss of iron in the form of blood diminishes with age and ceases after 1 year of age. A third factor is calcium and casein provided by cow's milk in high amounts. Calcium and casein both inhibit the absorption of dietary nonheme iron. Infants fed cow's milk receive much more protein and minerals than they need. The excess has to be excreted in the urine. The high renal solute load leads to higher urine concentration during the feeding of cow's milk than during the feeding of breast milk or formula. When fluid intakes are low and/or when extrarenal water losses are high, the renal concentrating ability of infants may be insufficient for maintaining water balance in the face of high water use for excretion of the high renal solute. The resulting negative water balance, if prolonged, can lead to serious dehydration. There is strong epidemiological evidence that the feeding of cow's milk or formulas with similarly high potential renal solute load places infants at an increased risk of serious dehydration. The feeding of cow's milk to infants is undesirable because of cow's milk's propensity to lead to iron deficiency and because it unduly increases the risk of severe dehydration.

I would like to feed my 2 month-old baby one of these formulas but I am a little concerned.

Thank you!

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