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The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

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Written by Charles Eisenstein   
June 29 2002

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Most vegetarians I know are not primarily motivated by nutrition. Although they argue strenuously for the health benefits of a vegetarian diet, many see good health as a reward for the purity and virtue of a vegetarian diet, or as an added bonus. In my experience, a far more potent motivator among vegetarians--ranging from idealistic college students, to social and environmental activists, to adherents of Eastern spiritual traditions like Buddhism and Yoga--is the moral or ethical case for not eating meat.

Enunciated with great authority by such spiritual luminaries as Mahatma Gandhi, and by environmental crusaders such as Frances Moore Lappe, the moral case against eating meat seems at first glance to be overpowering. As a meat eater who cares deeply about living in harmony with the environment, and as an honest person trying to eliminate hypocrisy in the way I live, I feel compelled to take these arguments seriously.

A typical argument goes like this: In order to feed modern society's enormous appetite for meat, animals endure unimaginable suffering in conditions of extreme filth, crowding and confinement. Chickens are packed twenty to a cage, hogs are kept in concrete stalls so narrow they can never turn around.

Arguing for the Environment

The cruelty is appalling, but no less so than the environmental effects. Meat animals are fed anywhere from five to fifteen pounds of vegetable protein for each pound of meat produced--an unconscionable practice in a world where many go hungry. Whereas one-sixth an acre of land can feed a vegetarian for a year, over three acres are required to provide the grain needed to raise a year's worth of meat for the average meat-eater.

All too often, so the argument goes, those acres consist of clear-cut rain forests. The toll on water resources is equally grim: the meat industry accounts for half of US water consumption--2500 gallons per pound of beef, compared to 25 gallons per pound of wheat. Polluting fossil fuels are another major input into meat production. As for the output, 1.6 million tons of livestock manure pollutes our drinking water. And let's not forget the residues of antibiotics and synthetic hormones that are increasingly showing up in municipal water supplies.

Even without considering the question of taking life (I'll get to that later), the above facts alone make it clear that it is immoral to aid and abet this system by eating meat.

Factory or Farm?

I will not contest any of the above statistics, except to say that they only describe the meat industry as it exists today. They constitute a compelling argument against the meat industry, not meat-eating. For in fact, there are other ways of raising animals for food, ways that make livestock an environmental asset rather than a liability, and in which animals do not lead lives of suffering. Consider, for example, a traditional mixed farm combining a variety of crops, pasture land and orchards. Here, manure is not a pollutant or a waste product; it is a valuable resource contributing to soil fertility. Instead of taking grain away from the starving millions, pastured animals actually generate food calories from land unsuited to tillage. When animals are used to do work--pulling plows, eating bugs and turning compost--they reduce fossil fuel consumption and the temptation to use pesticides. Nor do animals living outdoors require a huge input of water for sanitation.

In a farm that is not just a production facility but an ecology, livestock has a beneficial role to play. The cycles, connections and relationships among crops, trees, insects, manure, birds, soil, water and people on a living farm form an intricate web, "organic" in its original sense, a thing of beauty not easily lumped into the same category as a 5000-animal concrete hog factory. Any natural environment is home to animals and plants, and it seems reasonable that an agriculture that seeks to be as close as possible to nature would incorporate both. Indeed, on a purely horticultural farm, wild animals can be a big problem, and artificial measures are required to keep them out. Nice rows of lettuce and carrots are an irresistible buffet for rabbits, woodchucks and deer, which can decimate whole fields overnight. Vegetable farmers must rely on electric fences, traps, sprays, and--more than most people realize--guns and traps to protect their crops. If the farmer refrains from killing, raising vegetables at a profitable yield requires holding the land in a highly artificial state, cordoned off from nature.

Yes, one might argue, but the idyllic farms of yesteryear are insufficient to meet the huge demand of our meat-addicted society. Even if you eat only organically raised meat, you are not being moral unless your consumption level is consistent with all of Earth's six billion people sharing your diet.

Production and Productivity

Such an argument rests on the unwarranted assumption that our current meat industry seeks to maximize production. Actually it seeks to maximize profit, which means maximizing not "production" but "productivity"--units per dollar. In dollar terms it is more efficient to have a thousand cows in a high-density feedlot, eating corn monocultured on a chemically-dependent 5,000-acre farm, than it is to have fifty cows grazing on each of twenty 250-acre family farms. It is more efficient in dollar terms, and probably more efficient in terms of human labor too. Fewer farmers are needed, and in a society that belittles farming, that is considered a good thing. But in terms of beef per acre (or per unit of water, fossil fuel, or other natural capital) it is not more efficient.

In an ideal world, meat would be just as plentiful perhaps, but it would be much more expensive. That is as it should be. Traditional societies understood that meat is a special food; they revered it as one of nature's highest gifts. To the extent that our society translates high value into high price, meat should be expensive. The prevailing prices for meat (and other food) are extraordinarily low relative to total consumer spending, both by historical standards and in comparison to other countries. Ridiculously cheap food impoverishes farmers, demeans food itself, and makes less "efficient" modes of production uneconomical. If food, and meat in particular, were more expensive then perhaps we wouldn't waste so much--another factor to consider in evaluating whether current meat consumption is sustainable.

Moral Imperative

So far I have addressed issues of cruel conditions and environmental sustainability, important moral motivations for vegetarianism, to be sure. But vegetarianism existed before the days of factory farming, and it was inspired by a simple, primal conviction that killing is wrong. It is just plain wrong to take another animal's life unnecessarily; it is bloody, brutal, and barbaric.

Of course, plants are alive too, and most vegetarian diets involve the killing of plants. (The exception is the fruit-only "fruitarian" diet.) Most people don't accept that killing an animal is the same as killing a plant though, and few would argue that animals are not a more highly organized form of life, with greater sentience and greater capacity for suffering. Compassion extends more readily to animals that cry out in fear and pain, though personally, I do feel sorry for garden weeds as I pull them out by the roots. Nonetheless, the argument "plants are alive too" is unlikely to satisfy the moral impulse behind vegetarianism.

It should also be noted that mechanized vegetable farming involves massive killing of soil organisms, insects, rodents and birds. Again, this does not address the central vegetarian motivation, because this killing is incidental and can in principle be minimized. The soil itself, the earth itself, may, for all we know, be a sentient being, and surely an agricultural system, even if plant-based, that kills soil, kills rivers, and kills the land, is as morally reprehensible as any meat-oriented system, but again this does not address the essential issue of intent: Isn't it wrong to kill a sentient being unnecessarily?

One might also question whether this killing is truly unnecessary. Although the nutritional establishment looks favorably on vegetarianism, a significant minority of researchers vigorously dispute its health claims. An evaluation of this debate is beyond the scope of this article, but after many years of dedicated self-experimentation, I am convinced that meat is quite "necessary" for me to enjoy health, strength and energy. Does my good health outweigh another being's right to life? This question leads us back to the central issue of killing. It is time to drop all unstated assumptions and meet this issue head-on.

The Central Question

Let's start with a very naïve and provocative question: "What, exactly, is wrong about killing?" And for that matter, "What is so bad about dying?"

It is impossible to fully address the moral implications of eating meat without thinking about the significance of life and death. Otherwise one is in danger of hypocrisy, stemming from our separation from the fact of death behind each piece of meat we eat. The physical and social distance from slaughterhouse to dinner table insulates us from the fear and pain the animals feel as they are led to the slaughter, and turns a dead animal into just "a piece of meat." Such distance is a luxury our ancestors did not have: in ancient hunting and farming societies, killing was up close and personal, and it was impossible to ignore the fact that this was recently a living, breathing animal.

Our insulation from the fact of death extends far beyond the food industry. Accumulating worldly treasures--wealth, status, beauty, expertise, reputation--we ignore the truth that they are impermanent, and therefore, in the end, worthless. "You can't take it with you," the saying goes, yet the American system, fixated on worldly acquisition, depends on the pretense that we can, and that these things have real value. Often only a close brush with death helps people realize what's really important. The reality of death reveals as arrant folly the goals and values of conventional modern life, both collective and individual.

It is no wonder, then, that our society, unprecedented in its wealth, has also developed a fear of death equally unprecedented in history. Both on a personal and institutional level, prolonging and securing life has become more important than how that life is lived. This is most obvious in our medical system, of course, in which death is considered the ultimate "negative outcome," to which even prolonged agony is preferable. I see the same kind of thinking in Penn State students, who choose to suffer the "prolonged agony" of studying subjects they hate, in order to get a job they don't really love, in order to have financial "security." They are afraid to live right, afraid to claim their birthright, which is to do joyful and exciting work. The same fear underlies our society's lunatic obsession with "safety." The whole American program now is to insulate oneself as much as possible from death--to achieve "security." It comes down to the ego trying to make permanent what can never be permanent.

Modern Dualism

Digging deeper, the root of this fear, I think, lies in our culture's dualistic separation of body and soul, matter and spirit, man and nature. The scientific legacy of Newton and Descartes holds that we are finite, separate beings; that life and its events are accidental; that the workings of life and the universe may be wholly explained in terms of objective laws applied to inanimate, elemental parts; and therefore, that meaning is a delusion and God a projection of our wishful thinking. If materiality is all there is, and if life is without real purpose, then of course death is the ultimate calamity.

Curiously, the religious legacy of Newton and Descartes is not all that different. When religion abdicated the explanation of "how the world works"--cosmology--to physics, it retreated to the realm of the non-worldly. Spirit became the opposite of matter, something elevated and separate. It did not matter too much what you did in the world of matter, it was unimportant, so long as your (immaterial) "soul" were saved. Under a dualistic view of spirituality, living right as a being of flesh and blood, in the world of matter, becomes less important. Human life becomes a temporary excursion, an inconsequential distraction from the eternal life of the spirit.

Other cultures, more ancient and wiser cultures, did not see it like this. They believed in a sacred world, of matter infused with spirit. Animism, we call it, the belief that all things are possessed of a soul. Even this definition betrays our dualistic presumptions. Perhaps a better definition would be that all things are soul. If all things are soul, then life in the flesh, in the material world, is sacred. These cultures also believed in fate, the futility of trying to live past one's time. To live rightly in the time allotted is then a matter of paramount importance, and life a sacred journey.

When death itself, rather than a life wrongly lived, is the ultimate calamity, it is easy to see why an ethical person would choose vegetarianism. To deprive a creature of life is the ultimate crime, especially in the context of a society that values safety over fun and security over the inherent risk of creativity. When meaning is a delusion, then ego--the self's internal representation of itself in relation to not-self--is all there is. Death is never right, part of a larger harmony, a larger purpose, a divine tapestry, because there is no divine tapestry; the universe is impersonal, mechanical and soulless.

Obsolete Science

Fortunately, the science of Newton and Descartes is now obsolete. Its pillars of reductionism and objectivity are crumbling under the weight of 20th century discoveries in quantum mechanics, thermodynamics and nonlinear systems, in which order arises out of chaos, simplicity out of complexity, and beauty out of nowhere and everywhere; in which all things are connected; and in which there is something about the whole that cannot be fully understood in terms of its parts. Be warned, my views would not be accepted by most professional scientists, but I think there is much in modern science pointing to an ensouled world, in which consciousness, order and cosmic purpose are written into the fabric of reality.

In an animistic and holistic world view, the moral question to ask oneself about food is not "Was there killing?" but rather, "Is this food taken in rightness and harmony?" The cow is a soul, yes, and so is the land and the ecosystem, and the planet. Did that cow lead the life a cow ought to lead? Is the way it was raised beautiful, or ugly (according to my current understanding)? Allying intuition and factual knowledge, I ask whether eating this food contributes to that tiny shred of the divine tapestry that I can see.

Divine Tapestry

There is a time to live and a time to die. That is the way of nature. If you think about it, prolonged suffering is rare in nature. Our meat industry profits from the prolonged suffering of animals, people and the Earth, but that is not the only way. When a cow lives the life a cow ought to live, when its life and death are consistent with a beautiful world, then for me there is no ethical dilemma in killing that cow for food. Of course there is pain and fear when the cow is taken to the slaughter (and when the robin pulls up the worm, and when the wolves down the caribou, and when the hand uproots the weed), and that makes me sad. There is much to be sad about in life, but underneath the sadness is a joy that is dependent not on avoiding pain and maximizing pleasure, but on living rightly and well.

It would indeed be hypocritical of me to apply this to a cow and not to myself. To live with integrity as a killer of animals and plants, it is necessary for me in my own life to live rightly and well, even and especially when such decisions seem to jeopardize my comfort, security, and rational self-interest, even if, someday, to live rightly is to risk death. Not just for animals, but for me too, there is a time to live and a time to die. I'm saying: What is good enough for any living creature is good enough for me. Eating meat need not be an act of arrogant species-ism, but consistent with a humble submission to the tides of life and death.

If this sounds radical or unattainable, consider that all those calculations of what is "in my interest" and what will benefit me and what I can "afford" grow tiresome. When we live rightly, decision by decision, the heart sings even when the rational mind disagrees and the ego protests. Besides, human wisdom is limited. Despite our machinations, we are ultimately unsuccessful at avoiding pain, loss and death. For animals, plants, and humans alike, there is more to life than not dying.

 

This article appeared in Wise Traditions in Food, Farming and the Healing Arts, the quarterly magazine of the Weston A. Price Foundation, Summer 2002.

About the Author

Charles EisensteinCharles Eisenstein is a stay-at-home dad living in central Pennsylvania. He teaches part-time at Penn State. He is the author of several books, including The Ascent of Humanity. His book, The Yoga of Eating, may be purchased from New Trends Publishing, http://www.newtrendspublishing.com/YOGA/.

Comments (24)Add Comment
A disillusioned former vegetarian
written by SMM, May 15 2012
It seems like diet from the no-kill/no animal suffering standpoint is never addressed from the other side. If intentionally killing animals to eat them matters, then committing ecocide on millions of acres to plant row crops is just as intentional. To base the diet on grains and beans, one must be willing to support a system that destroys huge swathes of habitat and the natural fauna of an area, then continuously war to keep them off your crops (probably starving them--where are they going to go? Any semi-wild lands left standing were already at carrying capacity), then finally kill those that are left in giant threshing machines. Also, the separation in dairy/beef and eggs/poultry is non-existent--something must be done with the excess animals (unless you're willing to concede hormone treatments in cows--otherwise cows are going to have a population boom with all the pregnancies required to keep them lactating and they will outstrip the land). To sum; you can't be a vegetarian without contributing to the deaths of overflow animals--especially the males who don't produce, and you can't be a vegan without committing ecocide for row crops like wheat and soy. The only ecological way out is to eat pastured animal products and polycultured vegetables/fruits that do not strip the soil. As far as killing goes, there is no way out.You must kill something to live-either the animals you eat, or the animals that would eat your crops and live where you plant them.
Animal suffering
written by Kim , Apr 21 2012
Too many people focus on the raising of the animal and don't talk about what goes on at the slaughterhouse. I'm talking about intentional abuse and cruelty. The suffering there is beyond the pale for various reasons - cheapening the cost of animal products is the primary one, lack of oversight another - whether an animal is raised on a huge feedlot or a small organic grass feeding farm. I personally will not support with my pocketbook an industry that will not do what it needs to do to ensure that the creatures it brings into this world do not suffer needlessly.
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written by Sadbh, Apr 08 2012
I'm glad to read this article. I myself am an animist (Gaelic polytheist, actually!) and I feel much the same way. You articulate the arguments beautifully.
I do hope one day that Western society will come to its sense, embrace ancestral wisdom, and turn back to a fufilling lifestyle in harmony with life. Then, maybe ethically raised meat could become a reality for all people. Check out urban homesteading, folks! It saddens me when good people decide to do nothing because they fear the cause is already lost. It's true, we all have our particular fate-circumstances and no one can change the world alone, but if everyone did the best they could do....
Real question not addressed?
written by Paolo, Mar 16 2012
I enjoyed this article and I am too an omnivor who thrives on meat.
I'm also a sensitive person, only opening and cutting a whole chicken has an impact on myself.

I think the article didn't really address the main question that vegeterians may ask, which is not "is death utterly negative, or killing brutal", but rather "it is ok for me to step in and choose the destiny of an animal?"

After speaking with an animal communicator I know animals are telepathic beings, they capture the images of what we think. So they know when they time is up even when we take them outside the farm, well before the slaughterhouse.

I'm probably oversensitive but I feel a lack in integrity by eating meat because i feel great and still feeling these emotions.

I would really appreciate any comments from people.

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written by S, Apr 06 2011
I wouldn't define the issue as whether or not it is ethical to eat meat. I try not to even allow myself to consider the possibility that it is unethical to feed one's children mostly junk food, as many people do. The reason I feel this way is because what people eat is a personal choice. And yes, modern society has allowed us to expand our choices to include both junk food and veganism.
While we can make a conscious decision, I don't believe we can say what is right for someone else. It is safe to assume that people are doing the best they can with the information life has given them thus far. That said, I can vouch for the relative healthiness and completeness of a vegan lifestyle compared to the average modern omnivore. I have been a vegan for eight years. I am strong, energetic, and satisfied.
I have been through one complete pregnancy and three years of breast feeding as a vegan. My first pregnancy was entirely omnivorous, including modern convenience foods and junk foods. I was not a conscious eater or particularly healthy. I didn't know how to cook many foods at that point. My second pregnancy was entirely vegan. I cooked all my own food and baked goods, ate a diet of whole foods with very little refined sugar. The second birth was far easier, the baby was bigger, happier and nursed better. Her bone structure is also closer to the Weston Price ideal, with a wide palate and straight teeth.
That being said, I understand vegetarianism is not for every one. Nutritional information can be gained, but not everyone has the time, dedication or desire to make a worthwhile effort of it. There are also other issues, like the social isolation and the reactions of family. I try not to make differences in eating habits be an excuse for division between people. But with my acceptance of other's choices, I also expect not to be condemned for my choices.
I am now in my third pregnancy, and life is once again leading me to question the sustainability of my consumption. My biggest frustration is that I have no access to raw dairy. My freedom of choice is limited to processed dairy products or none at all. But at this point, I would rather have no dairy than dairy that my body can't digest and doesn't get nutrients from anyway. Especially since I know that I can provide for myself and my family pretty darn well without them.
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written by Kristin S, Jan 12 2011
What I think is interesting about many views on here that come from the vegetarians is the assumption that this website is promoting a diet that is largely a meat based diet. The use of animal products is stressed to show us the importance of including them into our diet. Animal byproducts, like raw milk and butter, are staples and they jive with both sides of the argument. If one were to read Price's work and to follow one of the diets he encountered in his travels they would see that many peoples were in fact close to vegetarians with the occasional meat consumption, often only once a week. We do not need to eat meat at every meal, which is exactly a point Chris makes- that industrial ranching techniques lead to cheap meat and overconsumption which is completely unnecessary. What it comes down to is being a mindful meat eater, if one chooses to do so, eating only what is necessary to maintain a healthy body. One can be a healthy vegetarian is Price shows (although even those cultures did eat a rare bit of meat or blood) by consuming true unprocessed animal byproducts (raw milk and eggs).

And just to throw it in there.... if one wants to intensely farm a 1/4 acre to feed a vegan, where is the compost coming from? Animal manure is the best fertilizer that exists... is this somehow wrong too, in the context of veganism???? Perhaps animal integration with veggie farming is the best model, a holistic model that benefits everyone?? ...just saying!
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written by Kaye Stain, Dec 07 2010
Deficiencies are caused by junk diets, junk lifestyles, alcoholism/drug use, insufficient calories, etc. among other things....NOT from being a vegan/vegetarian..That's funny really. My father almost died of Pernicious Anemia and what do you know....he is an avid meat-eater. Just sayin'.
I do however, appreciate the thoughtful and respectful conversation here, nice to exchange point-of-views. To each his own. Peace
My view
written by Tina Celano, Oct 02 2010
Man ate meat and vegetables and have the teeth to prove it. Why shouldn't it just be a valid choice for different people?
Vegetiarian/Vegan diet didn't almost kill anyone.....
written by Jane, Sep 22 2010
Deficiencies in the VEGAN diet are well known and documented, and have been for years. Anyone that chooses that path MUST take the time to do their homework on how to stay healthy. Failure to do so, is not the fault of the diet, it is the fault of the PERSON! You must take personal responsibility for your choices!

I am a 3rd generation lacto-ovo vegetarian raising a 4th generation. We raise our own chickens and dairy goats and have a large garden and orchard. We are a healthy, long lived family because we know what our bodies need to maintain optimal health.

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written by Magdalena Villaronga, Sep 17 2010
I understand what the author believes. I do not necessarily agree. I am conscious that animals are in a higher level than vegetables and as proven scientifically, have intelligence and understanding. I do not believe in killing. Specially killing beings that are sentient and understanding.
The fact that corporations are cruel and non compassionate of the animals is NOT what moves me to not eat meat... I do not approve of how the industry treats animals, but that is besides the point.
ghandi practiced and preached the principle of ahimsa... that is my moving theory...
I love my dog and I know she is intelligent and sentient....
to: SiriJodha S Khalsa
written by d., Sep 03 2010
The Weston A. Price Web site is not "anti-vegetarian". If you had read the intro to this, you would know that though they respect whatever people choose to do, they promote the healthful benefits of real raw milk, raw butter, cod-liver oil, etc., based on the fact that human bodies need these foods in order to thrive. The testimonial here from the woman who was raised as a vegetarian for 31 years and then nearly lost her life and the life of her baby, should speak volumes to those of you who think that animals and animal-based products are not necessary to our lives. Almost every vegan/vegetarian person I know is a typically angry person. I suspect they are angry because their diet is lacking something, not because of their moral convictions.
The Space Question
written by Tony Weddle, Aug 18 2010
Charles,

You didn't really address the space question. You gave two ways of raising 1,000 cows on 5,000 acres, and I agree with your choice, but 5 acres per cow is a lot of acres. I don't know if the statistic is right, about needing one sixth of an acre for a vegan diet (I've read of even lower estimates with bio-intensive and permaculture techniques), but in a world where some level of self-sufficiency is desirable and in a world where we need more trees and less pasture, surely a vegan or, at least, vegetarian diet is far more land-efficient and sustainable. Health obviously comes into it but there are options there (e.g. I understand that some fermented vegetables can provide vitamin B12).

I'm a meat eater but I'd like to be more efficient in my use of land, and perhaps feed myself and my family from what I can grow. I don't have the land for cows, though I could keep a few smaller animals (including hens for eggs). I have no moral hang up about eating meat but for self-sufficiency reasons would like to eat a lot less and stay healthy.
Sustainable, small-scale farmer
written by Smy, Jun 27 2010
Thanks Charles for this interesting article. I particularly agree with you that our society's insulation from the slaughterhouse impacts our perceptions.

Ironically, it was when I became exposed to the killing of animals for meat that I re-examined my former "vegetarian morality".

Strict adherence to the ideal "Thou shalt not kill" is clearly an impossible feat if one wants to live on this planet. Which leads one to the questions of speciesism - consciousness, higher order life, etc.
In all my searching, I failed to find a reasonable line in the sand. Which is "higher" - a cockroach walking across my pillow or the boiled egg in my chef salad? Can a vegetarian eat a carnivorous plant?
Finding that all the answers to such questions were all somewhat arbritary- that lead me to issue of intent. If one does not intend to kill, is the killing ok? Does being insulated from the death take away your intent to kill? For example, a vegan claims she does not "know" how many bunnies die when a farmer uses planting machinery to grow her beans. She does know some animals must die in order for her to claim "her share" of resources. Yet she clearly intends to continue living, she intends to continue eating. What about her desire to have clean teeth - is the mass murder caused by her daily brushing "intended"?
Here again is another case of arbitrary lines about what is or is not moral.

We all take life and yet none of us can restore it, no matter how "high" in our perceived "order", no matter how or where it happens.
We can't prevent it. But the place where we do have control is in our ability to recognize and reduce suffering.
Ask nearly any person how they would wish their own death to be - they will say without pain, and I don't want to see it coming.

An animal killed on farm and instantly, without the stress of trucking, without the fear of a slaughterhouse, without anticipation is the most suffering free death I have ever seen.
Shipping live animals to slaughterhouses is another unnecessary paradigm of modern production-line farming mentality. It is yet another of the cruelties that somehow have become "the way it's done". Why do we move thousands of animals via truck to a USDA inspector in a slaughterhouse when we could send the inspector from farm to farm?


a question without an absolute answer
written by brothermartin, May 28 2010
I've been 90+% vegan for over 40 years now...my kids grew up healthy on soybeans, kale, wheat, etc. Two are no longer vegetarian, but they're in their 30's and i trust their choices for themselves.
I remain vegan because I wish to be as harmless as I can. Killing insects is a lower order of killing than killing mammals and fish. I know, I've been around insect squashings, fish catching, and animal butherings.
On the other hand, I recognize that, since I'm not growing my own rice and beans, I'm dependent on a food web I don't control, and I recognize that, if that web collapses, I might have to rethink my diet. I do enough gardening to know how much work it takes to grow a year's supply of beans!
I've read a lot of Mr. Eisenstein's writings elsewhere, and have a lot of respect for him, but I think it's pointless to try and argue absolutes about diet. Clearly, for example, Eskimos cannot be vegetarians, and clearly we cannot feed our current world population the typical American meat diet, and clearly the kind of meat-eating Mr. Eisentein promotes is only currently available to a limited number of people...an elite, you could even say...
I know enough people who have thrived on a vegan diet to know it is a reasonable option, (also enough who have gotten overweight on a vegan diet to know you gotta keep the refined carbs down!). Inasmuch as we can't feed the current world population on free-range animal protein, it is incompassionate to both other animals and hungry humans to promote meat-eating as if it were a solution to the world hunger problem. Nice try, Charlie....
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written by Wyandotte, Apr 29 2010
We have to eat according to our nature. I used to think that "you are what you eat" but my husband said it's the other way around: "You eat what you are".

I am a sentimental, animal-loving fool. It would be ill-advised and violent to my self to pretend otherwise. No point in my pretending that I am a spiritual adult. I am not. Those of you who have this deep understanding of life & death as per the above essay and others on this site act according to your natures so cut us spiritual children some slack.

No one can force a physical child (a human young in years) to hurry and grow up; if you try, and the child pretends to be mature, all hell one day will break loose. And spiritual childhood is every bit as valid as physical childhood. To ridicule those of us who have this self-awareness of their spiritual immaturity is not right.
Conceived, Born, Raised Vegetarian until age 31.... almost killed me.
written by HWL, Apr 07 2010
I was raised strictly vegetarian due to my parent's religious convictions. In my teens I chose to go from lacto-ovo vegetarian to vegan. I never even thought about tasting meat, fish or poultry. Never once. I was 100% strict from conception to age 31.

I was always told vegetarianism was "healthier" and "moral". And yet my whole life I suffered from allergies, arthritis, chronic intestinal issues (never made a solid bowel movement in my life + 6-8 movements/day), tooth decay, low thyroid, poor eyesight, chronic depression, heart palpitations, and general dis-ease.

Finally, at age 28 I had my first child. During the pregnancy I would dream about blood-rare steak. I thought I was losing my mind, as I had never tried any type of meat.

My carefully planned natural homebirth turned into a 40+ hour near-death experience. I did not know I had dangerously low B12 levels and screwed up hormones. I could not give birth naturally and had an emergency C-section. Then my breast-fed son had failure to thrive. B12 deficiency was discovered, but not before I had neurological damage and my son + I had both suffered and almost died.

I slowly started to try to eat meat. It revolted me at first. I had real mental issues. But once I was able to start eating a small amount of pure meats (organic beef, bison, wild salmon) I started getting better... digestion improved, stamina, blood sugar levels, no more carb/sugar cravings, reduced allergies & asthma... As I watched my son eat meat with relish, I realized my aversion was purely psychological.

I had to un-brainwash myself. I almost died for the animals, and I almost let my son die too. Vegetarianism IS a matter of life-or-death. Do you want to die for the animals? I have finally realized that I would rather live, and if a few animals have to go into my stomach for that to continue, so be it.
Vegetarianism: a modern indulgence
written by Will Q, Mar 25 2010
I sometimes wonder whether vegetarianism is not a modern indulgence. That is, our technology allows us the indulgence of choice - we can choose to be vegetarians. If we were living tooth and claw then such a moral stance might not be so applicable.

Aragorn, whilst it is fair to question someone on their logic in any given argument, a personal attack on their based on their supposed vegetarian diet is nothing but stupid rhetoric. You frame your argument in philosophical terms but your loathing underscores what you have written.

People deserve to make personal choices in their lives - I am happy for people to be vegetarians so long as they can give me the same courtesy of choice. I think it would be extremely difficult to take the moral high ground in our modern world. Few people truly know what various products are made out of. Phones, as I understand it, contain some sort of membrane that is made from cow gelatin. I imagine that computers are not vegetarian in their entirety.

I wonder if you consider indiginous cultures (who have long history of consuming animals)to be immoral or lacking in ethics? Furthermore, many activities of humankind are deleterious to many kinds of animals. That's why animals are becoming rapidly extinct.

In the event that we all take drastic steps to "living off the land" and being much gentler on the planet, then I am not sure that anyone is endowed with the moral omnipotence to vehemently disregard another person's position - particularly when done in such a fashion as to belittle the person promoting the argument, as opposed to tackling the logic behind it.
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written by Katie R., Feb 24 2010
Very thought-provoking essay, thank you. I do wish you had addressed reasons why it's ok to kill a cow that has lived well for food, but not a human...you could read it that way!

@e.k. He's arguing very strongly against just that. Cows aren't supposed to eat grain, and if they've eaten grass, the points about killing small animals and using pesticides to protect grain is moot.
Speciesism by any other name....
written by Aragorn Eloff, Feb 24 2010
Charles,

All I can say is that perhaps you should apply your contentious model of the interaction and interdependence of all life to how you choose to intervene in the lives of other human beings; you make a very shaky philosophical argument for dramatic shortening of and dominion over the lives of non-human animals based on little more than some sort of unfounded sense that you feel better when you eat meat (which is most likely simply a result of you having not followed a balanced non-meat diet.)

If it were my life you had hegemony over, I'd want a slightly better justification than how my death would contribute to your vague, subjective sense of 'well being'.

Then again, perhaps your Spinozist take on the interconnectedness of all things has not sufficiently tempered what is, at its base, speciesist thinking, exemplified, perhaps, by the title of your book on non-Cartesianism / post Enlightenment humanism: 'The Ascent of *Humanity*'.
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written by e.k., Feb 19 2010
In Moral Imperative, you state that animals must be killed in order to grow crops to feed vegetarians. However, multitudes more must be killed for crops to feel cows born for death. Not to mention the 6x more pesticides for those crops, the water pollution from factory farms... Generally, humans have abused the Earth and consider themselves superior to the other creatures on this planet even though we are all of equal value. All life is sacred, not just human life.
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written by Christopher K., Feb 16 2010
Humans didn't intentionally and purposefully domesticate farm animals, rather humans and certain species adapted to each others' presence in a way that was mutually beneficial. By far the most successful and widely spread large animals on the planet, after humans, are domesticated animals, which is no accident. They and we would never have been so successful without each other, and we deserve no more credit for this -for our ability to outwit predators and protect our flocks- than the animals do, for having hearty and efficient digestive systems and the "cleverness" to provide us with things we need, including meat, in return. If it's wrong to kill an animal, then surely it's far worse to drive a whole species to extinction. Disrupting the mutualism between humans and domestic animals by banning meat consumption would wreck an ancient ecological niche, and would most likely drive domesticated species to the edge of extinction if not beyond. So I say, lets honor this relationship with the wonder and gratitude it deserves -which includes dealing with individual animals respectfully and humanely- while doing everything we can to make sure it stays sustainable.
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written by Elizabeth, Jan 20 2010
Thank you for this clearly worded essay. I'm sending it to a few friends that don't understand my personal convictions on meat-eating.

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written by Asher, Jan 10 2010
Actually, animals suffer for prolonged periods of time all the time. Watching even a few nature documentaries on the discovery channel and animal planet can confirm this, although I've dug deeper. It would seem to me prolonged suffering is actually the default, and it is because of our rational minds that we have minimized suffering for ourselves.
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written by SiriJodha S Khalsa, Jan 10 2010
Dear Charles,

Thanks for this very thoughtful treatise. I completely support you in your effort to live harmoniously, but as this article appears on a clearly anti-vegetarian diet website, it is incumbent upon you to answer the questions you pose about whether it is ethical to be a meat-eater in the context of present-day society where very few people have access to meat from animals that lead harmonious lives.

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