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of the fat-soluble vitamins that comes in these  people are not runners. These are just people who have a tendency to eat
            fats is vitamin K, specifically K , which is really  a carb-heavy diet. They’re young people, so they don’t seem to show a
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            high in animal products and is responsible for  lot of the negative effects that might be coming down the pike. Are they
            depositing minerals in the bone where they’re  still doing damage to their heart?
            supposed to go and not in other tissues. If we
            want to prevent calcification in our arteries, then  SH: I think so. They’re training their bodies to be dependent on carbo-
            getting lots of vitamin K  from animal fats is  hydrates. Even in the presence of glucose, our hearts will prefer to use
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            really important.                         fatty acids. But if we’re setting up our whole system for burning carbs
               The other aspect of this, the other part of  as we age, and our body is not able to burn fats readily, then when other
            heart disease that is really important, in looking  things happen, like oxidative stress and imbalances in our autonomic
            at heart attacks (the Weston A. Price Founda-  nervous system, and we’re not fat-adapted and can’t easily burn fats for
            tion and Dr. Cowan speak a lot about this): the  fuel, that sets us up for heart attacks because the heart is being forced to
            heart, interestingly enough, prefers to burn fat  burn a fuel source it doesn’t want to.
            for fuel—fatty acids and ketones—which is dif-
            ferent from the rest of the body, where if glucose  HG: Can you explain about free radicals and why we need more fat in
            is present, it will burn that first. I have countless  relation to that?
            studies that show that even in the presence of
            glucose, the heart will choose to burn fat over  SH: There are a lot of problems with free radicals. Every time our body
            glucose. One study showed that when glucose is  burns a fuel source, whether carbohydrate, protein or fat, it makes energy,
            present and they put ketones in there, the glucose  but it also makes waste products. Water is a waste product. That can be
            utilization of the heart went down by 30 to 60  helpful for our body—we can use it in other places or we can breathe it
            percent because the heart wanted the ketones.   out. We make carbon dioxide, and we breathe that out as well. But we
                The heart is a special organ. If the heart is  also make free radicals. I call them the “exhaust” that we make—like
            forced to burn carbohydrates more than it wants  when a car burns fuel, it has a waste product. Free radicals are supposed
            to because we’re not providing it with the fats  to be taken care of by the endogenous antioxidants that our body makes.
            it needs, bad things can happen. One of those  And the two main antioxidants that it makes are glutathione peroxidase
            things is a heart attack. Special circumstances  and superoxide dismutase. So those are made in our bodies.
            cause heart attacks. One of these special cir-  What’s interesting, though, is that when we look at burning a carb
            cumstances is the heart being forced to use more  versus burning fat, or having a carbohydrate-burning metabolism versus
            glucose than it wants.                    a fat-burning metabolism, we actually get less energy from burning car-
                                                      bohydrates. That’s why, when we eat carbohydrates, we’re hungry two
            HG: I think you break this topic down in a way  hours later—because we don’t make as much energy and we burn through
            that’s easy to understand. Every time I turn  it quicker. The fat gives us more energy, more molecules of ATP. With
            around, I see people carb-loading. And these  carb burning, we also get more exhaust—the free radicals. This has been


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