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Differences Between the Weston A. Price Foundation Diet and the Paleo Diet PDF Print E-mail
Written by Sally Fallon Morell   
Monday, 07 October 2013 15:11
We are posting this information to clear up the considerable confusion about the Weston A. Price Foundation dietary principles and the “paleo diet.”  We feel it necessary to do this because we often hear the two diets mentioned together—“the Weston Price Paleo Diet”—and we feel it very important to notethat the principles of these two diets are not the same.

Rest assured, we are not doing this to “attack” anyone personally; we are posting this information because we have a duty to provide accurate information about nutrition.

We are aware that many people experience short-term benefits from the paleo diet, especially people coming off the Standard American Diet (SAD) or vegan/vegetarian diets. However, in the long term, the paleo diet can lead to cravings and serious deficiencies.

We also appreciate the fact that many people who have adopted paleo diets are supporting farmers and ranchers who produce pasture-raised animal foods; and many paleo dieters are members of the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund.

We also realize that there are many versions of the paleo diet, some of which incorporate some of the WAPF dietary principles.  Nevertheless, the principles proposed by the two main spokesmen for the paleo diet—Loren Cordain and Robb Wolf—have virtually NO points in common with the WAPF principles.
 
For reviews of these two books, see

    The Paleo Diet by Loren Cordain: www.westonaprice.org/thumbs-down-reviews/paleo-diet

    The Paleo Diet Solution by Robb Wolf: www.westonaprice.org/thumbs-down-reviews/the-paleo-solution-byrobb-wolf

A Google search for “Paleo Diet” brings up first the Loren Cordain and Robb Wolf websites, along with the Wikipedia entry for the paleo diet; The following analysis compares the WAPF diet with the paleodiet principles expressed in these websites and the books by Cordain and Wolf

WAPF DIET PALEO DIET
Animal Foods Eat the whole animal, including the meat, fat, organ meats, bones, cartilage and skin (poultry, pork). Only lean muscle meats, no added fat
Meat Should be pasture-raisedfor higher levels of minerals, and vitamins, especially fat-soluble vitamins and minimal hormones, antibiotics and other harmful chemicals; always eat meat with the fat.  If the meat is lean, prepare it with added fat. Prefer pasture-raised because it is lean.
Organ Meats More important than muscle meats, should be consumed frequently No mention of organ meats
Poultry Always eat with the fat and skin; make pate with the livers and hearts; eat the gizzards also Skinless; no organ meats
Pork OK to consume when cured (bacon, ham), marinated in an acidic medium before cooking, or with a lacto-fermented food such as sauerkraut No special preparation needed.
Seafood Wild seafood, particularly shellfish, oily fish, fish heads, fish liver oils and fish eggs.  Prepare seafood with added fat. Eat the skin of the fish. Wild fish and shellfish, no added fat
Raw Animal Food All traditional cultures consumed some of their animal food raw; so it is important to include raw dairy, raw meat, raw fish and/or raw shellfish in the diet on a frequent basis. Not mentioned.
Eggs Preferably pastured-raised; emphasis on egg yolks rather than egg whites    Allowed; no emphasis on pasture-feeding; extra egg whites encouraged.
Vegetables Raw or cooked, always with added fat, such as butter Raw or cooked, no added fat
Fruit Raw or cooked, some fruits more digestible when cooked; add fat (butter or cream) or consume in the context of a meal containing fat. Raw, no added fat
Grains Recommended on the observation that many healthy primitive and traditional peoples included grain in their diets; need to be properly prepared to neutralize anti-nutrients and improve digestibility. Individuals who have trouble with grains may be able to eat them (properly prepared) after following the GAPS (Gut and Psychology Syndrome) protocol No grains, based on the theory that paleolithic peoples had no grains in their diet, and also because grains contain various anti-nutrients.
Legumes (beans, lentils, etc.) Should be included in the diet; need proper preparation to neutralize anti-nutrients.  Legumes are consumed as a major source of calories by many healthy traditional cultures throughout the world. Not allowed, because they contain anti-nutrients
Nuts Good to include in the diet after careful preparation to neutralize anti-nutrients. Allowed, even though nuts also contain anti-nutrients (just like grains and legumes). No special preparation recommended.
Starchy carbohydrates (potatoes, yams, sweet potatoes) Can be included in the diet.  Should be well cooked and consumed with a fat, like butter Potatoes/carbohydrates not allowed, although Wolf includes sweet potatoes in some of his recipes
Dairy (milk, cheese, cream, yoghurt, kefir, etc.) Should be raw, whole, full fat. Wonderful foods for growing children. Not allowed
Butter Consume liberally Consume only occasionally (Wolf) or not at all (Cordain)
Meat fats—lard, tallow, etc Consume liberally Not recommended.
Oils No industrial oils (corn, soy, canola, etc); Olive oil and coconut oil allowed, but the diet needs to also include liberal amounts of animal fats. No industrial oils (corn, soy, canola, etc).  Very small amounts of olive oil and coconut oil allowed.
Lacto-fermented foods Include with every meal. “Not worth the hassle” and a source of “too much salt.”  Take a probiotic pill instead.
Bone broths Consume liberally Not mentioned
Fat-soluble activators, Vitamins A, D and K Most important WAPF principle; consume liberally of foods that contain them. Wolf:  “Vitamins A, D and K, Who Cares?”
Vitamin D Needs to be consumed as part of food, in balance with vitamin A. Take 2-5000 IU per day as a supplement, with no supporting vitamin A
Vitamin A Animal form of vitamin A vital to health; vitamin A-rich foods need to be balanced by foods containing vitamin D. Precursors (carotenes) in plant foods are a poor source of vitamin A for humans; many lack the enzymes needed for conversion. Avoid animal form of vitamin A. Claims adequate vitamin A can be obtained from the pre-cursors in plant foods.
Calcium Best source is raw dairy foods; cultures that don’t have dairy foods made use of bones (fermented fish bones or bones of small birds and animals ground up and added to food).    Paleo diets provide only about half the RDA of calcium, virtually all from plant foods. Oxalic acid, phytic acid and other mineral blockers make assimilation of calcium from plant foods difficult.
Protein No more than 20% of calories 30-35% of calories. Protein levels this high will deplete vitamin A.
Fats Can be anywhere from 30-80% of calories, with saturated fat predominating.  When fat intake is low, balance of calories needs to come from carbohydrates (which the body can turn into saturated fat). 39 % of calories, with monounsaturated fatty acids predominating
Saturated Fat No limit.  Saturated fats are critical for good health. Only 7% of calories (about 3 ½ teaspoons per day). No carbohydrate foods in the diet that the body can turn into saturated fat.
Carbohydrates Some carbohydrate in the diet is necessary.  Avoid refined carbs. Carbohydrates not necessary.  Avoid both refined and unrefined carbs.
Processed Foods No industrially processed foods; eat liberally of foods prepared by artisan processors (lacto-fermented foods and beverages, naturally cured meats, cheese, sourdough bread, etc) No processed foods
Fish liver oils Recommended as a daily supplement for vitamins A and D Not recommended
Fish oils Not recommended; can overload the body with omega-3 fatty acids and interfere with arachidonic acid.  Human requirements for omega-3 fatty acids like DHA are actually very low. Recommends up to 2 tablespoons fish oil per day.
Salt Very important; adults need at least 1½ teaspoons per day; we consumed up to 3 teaspoons per day in the past Little or no salt
Cholesterol Very important to have enough cholesterol for hormone production, production of bile salts, healing and repair, protection against cancer.  For men under 60, no additional risk for heart disease with cholesterol levels up to 300 mg/dl.  For women at any age, and for men over 60, higher cholesterol levels are associated with longevity; no need for these groups to reduce cholesterol levels even if very high.    Total cholesterol should be kept at 120-140 mg/dl.  Very low levels of cholesterol in this range are associated with increased rates of cancer, intestinal diseases, violence and depression, accidents and suicide.
Chocolate Not recommended Allowed
Coffee (and tea) Not recommended Allowed
Alcohol Wine and unpasteurized beer in moderation with meals Tequila on an empty stomach.
Pre-Conceptual and Pregnancy Diet Nutrient-dense diet, rich if fat-soluble vitamins, extremely important to ensure the health of the next generation. No special diet recommended.




RECOMMENDED READING

Letters on the Paleo Diet:  Link

Guts and Grease by Sally Fallon Morell:  http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional-diets/guts-and-grease

Precious Yet Perilous by Chris Masterjohn: http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/precious-yet-perilous

On the Trail of the Elusive X Factor by Chris Masterjohn: http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble-activators/x-factor-is-vitamin-k2

The Right Price: http://www.westonaprice.org/basics/the-right-price

The Cod Liver Oil Debate:http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-oil/cod-liver-oil-debate


BOOK REVIEWS
    Tending the Wild by M Kat Anderson: http://www.westonaprice.org/thumbs-up-reviews/tending-the-wild-by-m-kat-anderson

    The Biggest Estate on Earth by William Gammage: Link

Video

Sally's interview with Paleorunner - http://www.paleorunner.org/2013/12/paleo-vs-weston-price-sally-fallon.html

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Paleo Runner's interview of Sally Fallon
written by NAS, Apr 03 2014
I'm not sure if links are allowed here, but I found this interview with Sally to be very relevant to this discussion. It's Paleo Runner's discussion with her on the differences between the two diets- very informative:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggr1KkNOBGk
confusion?
written by NAS, Apr 03 2014
I think the confusion arises from this: Sally Fallon is very clear about the fact that Pales/Primal diets have evolved over the years. It seems she is laying out the differences based upon the original founders/authors of the diet philosophy. It is also clear that these folks have changed their opinion over the years to include more of a balanced diet based upon Weston Prices research and findings. Sally Fallon presents these changes to us in a historical, measurable way as she quotes from these original, popular Paleo/Primal books. What I gather from this is that over the years, the authors have seen the data presented by WAPF, through Sally's books and the WAPF site and correctly adjusted their stance and recommendations to include the more scientific and historical findings about the vital importance of fats, reducing phytates and so on presented all along by WAPF as elucidated by the above chart... I am glad that these diets have evolved to a more complete understanding over the years, but please don't attack Sally for trying to present these facts. Some people really become defensive and don't like realizing they have slowly evolved to come around to another's point of view. It's pretty obvious that most of the "modern" evolved versions of Primal and Paleo are looking more and more like the what the Weston Price- Nourishing Traditions diet was all along. So please don't act so incredulous towards Sally and the WAPF folks for drawing attention to this observation... We are all on "team better diet", and we are all very similar by now because of the spirit of sharing and experimenting with the information, so let's not be afraid and defensive. Kudos to the Paleo/Primal crowd for growing and learning. And kudos to Sally for presenting amazing information. After all, we all see that the S.A.D needs to change and we are all working on the same team after all!
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written by NAS, Apr 02 2014
Hi there, I really appreciate Sally's work in pointing out the differences between the diets. What seems to be ruffling some peoples feathers is that she has pointed out the big errors in the original Paleo books(which have influenced many people!) It seems that some of these errors have been corrected over the years as the original "Paleo Diet" has been revised by their proponents (probably due to Sally's work). This is good, but I have found many times that people don't like their errors pointed out. Kudos to the Paleo crowd for being able to learn and improve (in no small part due to Sally Fallons work over the years) but please don't bash her pointing out the history of that evolution. Kudos to Sally for being factual and historical. For those who take offense at her research, please check yourself before getting so defensive. Look up "Cognitive Dissonance". Really folks, we are all on the same team of learning, improving and helping each other understand nutrition. There's room for us all to improve!
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written by Merin Kinikini, Mar 26 2014
I was directed to your website from the book "Primal Body, Primal Mind" by Nora Gedgaudas. I am a medical professional with training in nutrition. I have really enjoyed Nora's book and the updated Cordain book "The Paleo Answer". I just wanted to comment that in my reading - I have never seen the restrictions on the Paleo diet as described by Sally. I think if I am coming to this website for reliable information - I want it to be reliable! Guess I'll have to keep looking..... hopefully this is the only area that is a problem. Thanks......
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written by WesternWashingtonPaleoEnthusiasts, Mar 23 2014
Going down that table one sees far more... I hate to use the word... lies than than anything. As a Primal Blueprint adherent (lacto-paleo, to the uninitiated) I'm shocked that 1) Fallon basically read narrowly, made up her mind and published this article and 2) that this terrible article is still on this site!

This comment feature doesn't allow a readable point-by-point take-down of her article. Which is what's sorely needed.

Read my lips: the only meaningful difference between paleo/primal and WAPF diets are that Paleos don't want to go to the hassle of soaking & sprouting grains and legumes only to ingest inferior nutrition, anti-nutrients, gluten and allergens for the effort. End of discussion. Every other item on that list is incorrect.

Which is good news. Paleos and WAPF-identifying people can be perfectly comfortable at each other's potlucks and so on. Fallon needs to stop harming her organization more than she's helping it. It's mind-blowing to watch a leader shoot themselves in the foot this way.
valuable but flawed
written by Shannon D, Mar 19 2014
As a long time practitioner of the paleo diet and HUGE fan of the WAPF. I agree it's very important not to confuse the two but the outlines stated here for the paleo diet are very wrong. Pretty much the only part that is correct about the paleo diet is the legumes and grains section.

Saying people who eat paleo avoid fat is like saying birds avid trees.

Please refer to practicle paleo and primal body primal mind books.
Consistent Principles Vs. Inconsistent Strict Diet Programs
written by ellisabethe, Mar 11 2014
Sally, thank you for standing ground on the principles of the Weston A. Price Foundation and for consistently and confidently clarifying them in a world of health/dietary ignorance and chaos... (and ad hominem attacks from commenters).

Your invaluable straightforward, information-based, referenced and not-for-profit articles are really appreciated. The articles seem to stand strong on top of the bombardment of inconsistent, dogmatic ("Just follow this strict protocol and you'll be healed!") fluff that forms the basis of the vast majority of health diets out there.

I can't emphasize enough how grateful I am to have had access to the information at this site over the years... including when my body made it loud and clear that the Paleo Autoimmune Diet and the Paleo Diet were not sustainable.
turf war?
written by Juan Martinez Perron, Mar 06 2014
Interesting post. Appears to be a turf war. Competing for memberships, for followers. Probably makes sense from a business perspective, but for those who care to take their health into their own hands, this is entirely irrelevant: pick and choose what works for you. Labels are for designers.

More so than setting the WAPF diet and "paleo diets" apart, this defines the WAPF as an aggresive actor in the business of followership.

Who has read or listened just a tiny bit to socalled paleo ideas the last few years and not come away with the idea that it's all about eating fat, drinking bone broth, devouring organs and so on?!? Noone has the full picture and diversity is really useful to learn more. Those who think they need not think anymore, 'cause they know, beware of those. We've spend the last 5000 years being subordinated those - the high prists and the politicians.

Indeed, Ms. Fallon has created a strawman, but instead of revealing something about the constructed opponent, it acts as a mirror. Quite sad.

One is reminded of the history of social movements (or the left generally), which has been one of this very kind of splintering from within, due to ideological mismatches in the reading of abstract words, power games and, essentially, the war for followers.

And I shall refrain from mentioning the circulation of anti-paleo newspaper articles, for of course WAPF would not run errands for the grain industry, now would they? At any rate, it is clever to join the anti-paleo band-waggon, since it is a far more popular meme than WAPF, so she gets marketing value for free. Clever move. A typical leader, ready to divide and conquer.

However, the time of following has come to an end. Leaders, get out of the way if you can't be relevant for self-help. Goodnight WAPF.
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written by SamJ, Mar 04 2014
One more comment. smilies/smiley.gif The article states "some fruits more digestible when cooked." Does anybody know what fruits those are? Off the top of my head, the only one I can think of is the quince.
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written by SamJ, Mar 03 2014
Oh, I wanted to point out one error in this article. It states that for women and for men over 60, there is no limit to how high cholesterol can be. I think this is wrong. Dr. Mercola says that if your cholesterol goes over 300, you've got a problem. A French 1989 study back this up too IIRC--high cholesterol for older women was good up to a point. Beyond 300, though, you seem to run into problems.
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written by SamJ, Mar 02 2014
I think it's interesting that there are so many distraught comments on here about how Fallon is "bashing" the Paleo diet. But they're long on emotion and short on fact. They just say that she is "misrepresenting" the diet, but then they don't really go into detail about how. If the Paleo proponents want to have any credibility at all, they need to bring up specific, objective points--otherwise, they just sound like they don't want to be confused by the facts because they've already made up their minds. smilies/wink.gif
gluteomorphin (wheat) and casomorphin (dairy)
written by James, Feb 28 2014
There is a big blind spot in the WAPF approach with regards to gluteomorphin (wheat opiate) and casomorphin (dairy Holstein cow casein opiate). This is something that Paleo got right, IMHO. Although, both approaches (Paleo and WAPF) need to take into consideration individual food intolerances (peanuts, pork, shellfish, and so forth).
Paleo is a type of Traditional Diet
written by TheLaLa, Feb 26 2014
I too used to confuse Paleo with the WAP diet(reading about how much milk the Massai drink is actually what deterred me from going Paleo). However, paleo is definitely a good lifestyle choice for those that can muster the discipline for it. There are definitely some misunderstandings in this article. For one thing, many Paleo writers now recommend eating lots of saturated fats. But what I really notice is, the lack of acknowledgement of the fact that Weston A. Price studied a LOT of tribes whose diets were what we'd today call "paleo". Many of the Inuits, Native Americans, Aborigines, and Africans consumed NO dairy or grains. That is paleo.. it's pretty much a hunter gatherer diet. Therefore, paleo is a good description of many of the traditional diets that Weston A. Price studied and got his inspiration from. It is not something separate at all.
misinformation forsure.....
written by R.R., Feb 20 2014
I'm very disappointed in reading the overly simplified and unfair representation of the Paleo diet by Sally Fallon. It certainly doesn't bode well for her reputation. It appears to make sense for Ms. Fallon to write an amendment to her previous article comparing the two diets. One in which she bases her information on research and fact. The two diets are very similar in fact, sharing more in common than not. Please do not let this weak comparison stop you from doing your own homework and ultimately finding your own personal answer to health.
Thanks for clarifying these major differences
written by colleen, Feb 14 2014
Although I have been eating organic and more recently pasture raised foods when ever possible. I have been looking to more clearly define what types of foods were better. I loved Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions along with some other books based on Weston Price's research. I started thinking the Paleo Diet was the same as Weston Price's Diet and was getting these two eating styles confused. I can see by the list that there are clearly some massive differences, (i.e. dairy and grains.) I appreciate the clarification, which is exactly why I googled for this distinction. I'm not sure why some people are taking this article offensively, I don't think SF was trying to upset anyone, but if i wasn't sure of the differences i am sure there are tons of others just like me who wanted to know. Maybe those people aren't getting all the nutrients the need and so they are cranky. lol just kidding smilies/grin.gif
PALEO vs AIP
written by Linda Lee, Feb 12 2014
I just want to add..I have been following the Paleo AIP version to heal my "leaky gut" and the autoimmune issues I have. WHAT I find is I am NOT eating enough Fat..saturated..when I started adding more pure butter or coconut oil to my food..weight is coming down more all the time and I am feeling so much better. wondering IF I Missed something ..cause when I read the WESTON P version vs Paleo..I was typically following more of the WESTON P version.. so whichever, ALL I KNOW is I am feeling better ...thanks for your site, I enjoy reading the articles and do believe we all would benefit greatly from foods I grew up eating on our farm. WE ate what we grew and were healthy. Not the processed junk I see so many eating today.
A Terrible comparison
written by Tim Fulton, Jan 25 2014
I was excited to visit the WAP website for the first time today. I want to learn about the lifestyle and way of eating. I've been following the Paleo lifestyle for a few months now, so of course when I saw the article comparing WAP to Paleo I was all excited. Wow, what a disappointment. This was not only a horrible comparison between the two (I only know the Paleo side of the equation), but an obvious attempt to discredit and distance WAP from the Paleo community. I'm curious as to why that was the intent of the author? I was hoping for an article celebrating the differences, maybe educate people in a positive way. Nope. An obvious agenda, but why? A very disappointing first time visit to the WAP website.
Great Comparison
written by Mary, Jan 22 2014
Thank you for this wonderful comparison. I have always wondered what the difference was. My family and I eat according to the WAP principles but many people have asked me if it was "Paleo or Primal" and I never knew how to respond. Now I am well informed.

The WAP "diet" has proved to be absolutely wonderful for my family with improved health all around as well as excellent health and growth for my son who has been on WAP all his life. He is a teen now. He has no cavities, a great slim yet strong physique, clear skin , and a wonderful disposition. I credit WAP and good parenting. ;-)

Thank you!

All the best,
Mary
wtf
written by shakira, Jan 22 2014
So they call it the Paleo diet but recommend supplements? They didn't have supplements in the Stone Age.
Back to Our Basics Please
written by Mikki, Jan 21 2014
I do wish the Paleo/Primal People and the true WAPF People would just part ways. I am a WAPF Person and feel that the Paleo/Primal People are trying to highjack the WAPF. ;-) I'm joking a little there but really, I'd like to read more WAPF philosophy and related articles on our chapter Facebook sites and Quarterlies and less about GAPS, Primal/Paleo. Thank you Sally for just trying to clarify and assure us WAPF members that the foundation is not turning Paleo.
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written by kathe, Jan 15 2014
I agree with Sally - the diets are very different. As time goes by, the Paleo diet will fad because it cannot be sustained over the long haul of ones life. WAPF is susainable for years and years because it has proven credible over many years. Raw foods are always good whenever they are ingested. Sally is only pointing out the differences in the diets - never forget the intent of the article!
Enough! I appreciate discourse but let's agree to disagree!
written by Sina, Jan 12 2014
Love Sally Fallons book and the Foundation. Have followed same for almost 2 years. Went to Costco and bought some Paleo Cookbooks which rekindled my interest (I have a degree in Anthro from UCSB and read "The Paleolithic Prescription" in the 1980s) I think the similarities far out weight the differences and altho I appreciate Sally's efforts to quantify the diffs, but that being said, I hate that in all intellectual human endeavor there has to be this "tempest in a tea pot" divisiveness! It tends to draw a line in the sand, but the sand always changes. I have learned new things from Paleo sources, such as why Ingesting too much Lectins are harmful, (no mention of lectins in Fallon's books) I'm in favor of joining forces rather than starting an ill advised war. We are all after the same thing. Freedom to choose a healthy life style without the constraints of the Diet Dictocrats or Conventional Wisdom mongers! Come on people let's work as one if we can only smallness aside! That's the best way to get our thoughts mainstream. Otherwise both these movements are going to come of as yet another hippy dippy fringe not to be taken seriously movement and big food wins again!!!!
Disappointed
written by Ralph, Jan 09 2014
Having read Dr. Price's landmark book as well as many publications in the Paleo/Primal community (including the referenced works), I am deeply disappointed in the comparison of diets provided by Sally Morell. Ms. Morell has misrepresented the Paleo diet in what appears to be a transparent attempt to differentiate the WAPF diet and claim some kind of superiority. You do a disservice to followers of both diets with your approach. The misinformation and flip comments about the Paleo diet damages your credibility and hurts what should be a complementary community in the shared pursuit of better health. Instead of positioning the WAPF diet as a part of the Ancestral Health Movement, as is the Paleo diet, you instead create a "we're not them" confrontation with what should be an ally. I am not a frequent visitor to this website, and have now taken it off my list of sites to follow as a result of your misguided comparison. I'd encourage that your post be removed from wap.org until a more reasonable version can be authored.
Greetings!
written by luispihormiguero, Jan 05 2014
Very nice! I recommend your diet when I talk about nutrition.

Greetings from Spain, and have a happy new year!
How about a plain ole fashion Bible diet?
written by Bob Barney, Jan 04 2014
First I will say that I am not an evolutionist. I don't think we are descendants of green slime and love sick amoebas. I think God placed us in earth, and gave us a pretty easily understood diet. It basically like Weston Price, without the shellfish and pork. God's feast consisted of the "fatted" (not lean) calf, along with Emmer and Einkorn based wheat flat bread. God loves milk and honey, and tells us to eat all we want. Of course God didn't make GMO cows, wheat and veggies. He didn't tell Adam to boil the milk until it is a poison, or to live in a chemical toxic world full of dead food.

I have known dozens of people in their eighties, nineties and one or two that lived over 100. Not all followed a Bible directed diet, but all consumed real foods and hated and avoided junk food. Most even smoked (mainly pipes and cigars) and drank! Go figure. All walked a lot, kept active and BELIEVED in GOD!

I don't place my destiny in any man. It leads to death. As history shows us mankind is always changing what is good and bad for us. God never changes - neither does his diet. Jesus didn't come to make pork OK to eat, or change any law of God. I trust what God tells us to do. Paleo IS NOT anything like God's diet. GAPS and Weston Price is as close as I've seen to God's diet, with the fallacy both still employ feeling we are an evolutionary creature and thus negate the word of God. Eat the diet Jesus did, Abraham did and the prophets did, and if God wills it, you will live a long good and moral life.
WAPF Bashers
written by Tom, Dec 24 2013
Really Bonnie, you interpret the comments as WAPF bashing. I just read the comments as setting the record straight. It's her organization, so she can write whatever she wants but as long as the forum is open, people are free to state their views. She is Sally Fallon, a person who registered a non profit organization as The Weston A Price Foundation, not Weston A. Price himself nor is she a person that was selected by Weston A. Price to represent his teachings. So the views expressed are her views of Paleo, however misguided and incorrect many of us view them.
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written by Sades, Dec 22 2013
I found that the paleo diet is a stricter version of WAPF, such as no dairy and not even fermented grains/nuts/seeds. They're not scared of offals and animal fats. Paleo diet people focus on the paleolithic era, while WAPF focuses more on the diets of traditional culture. WAPF can be summed up as "use traditional methods of preparing foods and if something didn't exist 100 years ago, don't eat it". Most "paleo" people are in-between the strict paleo and WAPF.
WAPF is a useful addition to Paleo
written by Bonnie Leclerc, Dec 21 2013
Mrs Fallon is being very rude to the Paleo community, and on no ground.

Paleo and WAPF diets are very similar in practice, as already noted. Mrs Fallon’s caricatural depiction of Paleo reveals ignorance, prejudice and a disturbing willingness to scare her followers away from useful resources. Paleo authors, on the other hand, have shown great appreciation for the WAPF's contributions in spite of their objections.

Mrs Fallon’s self-righteousness should not trick us into believing she has any more claim to the truth, though. For instance, her recipes lack any reference to certified traditional origins. As a Frenchwoman I know that her Mayonnaise isn’t the traditional recipe at all.

Furthermore, WAPF only dates back to 1999, more or less the time when Art De Vany and Loren Cordain published their seminal works. Dr Weston A. Price studied hunter-gatherer peoples as well as agriculturalists and never showed the latter to fare better than the former. On the contrary, there is undisputed archaeological evidence that paleolithic humans enjoyed better health than their neolithic successors.

Additionally, WAPF is very limited in comparison to Paleo's wealth of concerns and voices. Paleo addresses many special health issues, it discusses many lifestyles and environmental topics, it has hundreds of books, websites, podcasts, videos and practitioners to support you on an ongoing basis and it’s a center for reaching such other fields as SCD and GAPS, MovNat and Crossfit, or WAPF. You don’t want to keep stuck with WAPF, especially if you have any existing condition.

Given all this, I should simply turn my back, but I feel sorry about it, because the WAPF has some unique features that make it very valuable in our common goal of straightening up society’s dietary habits.

Where Paleo is appealing to adults seeking to improve their own looks and health, WAPF is better at convincing my in-laws to not feed my kids crap. Where Paleo is perfect material for magazines, WAPF is better for government agencies. Where Paleo has the inspiring quality, diversity and supportive spirit to help individual persons' quest for health, WAPF has the respectability and organized apparatus to be a political force.

I wish Mrs Fallon would retract and I could take a membership and found a chapter where I live in Santiago de Chile and use every mean to promote the Paleo/WAPF diets. There are children and older people and sick persons who desperately need the right principles to get known.
Haters gonna hate
written by Alan, Dec 18 2013
"Everyone tells you what to do and what's good for you. They don't want you to find your own answers. They want you to believe theirs." - Socrates. Pointing out the differences in the traditional Paleo diet and WAPF diet is a good learning experience to see why they have differences. I don't know why there is a lot of hate and tribalism. Sally makes many of good points about the WAPF diet.

Cheers,
Alan
WAPF Bashers
written by gokhals, Dec 13 2013
I think the problem here runs deeper. WAPF, first, you're going to get bashed by any health related community that's selling goods and services such as powders and supplements or other quick fixes such as low this, high that etc. as opposed to simply espousing high quality, nutrient rich food that is native to a region, is purchased directly from producers, and works for a person’s genotype. You are actually rooting for farmers. There is no money in this. LOL!

OTOH, everybody and their mother wants to be a money making middle-person in this endeavor. And they are tapping into a rich vein of public disenchantment with traditional healthcare today. A disenchantment fueled by disease and ill health - caused by poor quality, pesticide and chemical laden foods, vitamins, supplements, processed ‘health’ foods and their ilk, as well as long term drugs that ‘manage’ and sicken, but don’t quite kill.

This is so much like the investment world that it is horrifying. This is what Charlie Munger refers to as 'raisins and turds' advice. A lot of Paleo sites I visit intersperse pretty good advice with doses of really bad advice, thereby lulling their readers into thinking it is all good advice. That’s the worst con of all.

I'm not quite sure what the answer to all this criticism is, but I think perhaps the answer is simply to carry-on with the work of the foundation strongly and let it speak for itself. It is critical that we preserve our precious energy for the longer haul, as the rest of the world dishes out health advice that is ridden with conflicts of interest.

We also have to engage our younger audiences. I am not quite sure how. They grow up eating SAD, they feel very sick. They become Vegan or Paleo, or both in quick succession, and at an early age. They feel a whole lot better initially, simply because they got off the SAD diet, but then quickly become depleted in some key nutrient, which causes a relapse in their health. How long can these young bodies, thus deprived function optimally?
Different understandings of primal/paleo
written by C M W, Dec 11 2013
This is nothing but an attempt to stand out from the crowd. I like what WAP does but cutting down a partner in the fight for our health is wrong. There are many ideas of what primal/paleo is and the definition is constantly changing as new information is studied. Get your fact straight.
Let's all get along
written by Jonathan (IELTS Singapore), Dec 08 2013
I'm new to the Paleo Diet. I was glad to find out some good friends in NZ are getting into the diet as espoused by this website and thus I came here to look more into it. There are more similarities than not. So let's all get along!
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Seriously?
written by Samantha, Nov 23 2013
This article is very disappointing for me. I discoverd WAPF from the paleo diet and crossfit life style. I started off on paleo after damaging my body on a vegan diet much like Robb Wolfe. Once, I had my nutrition in place and my gut repaired. I learned more about soaking grains. For me the fermented foods and soaked grains are important for managing my weight. I find myself Paleo is great for people who need to lose body fat. Often in the crossfit circles after losing body fat you change your diet to a more WAPF diet to maintain. Also, what is with the attack that paleo is low fat? When I went paleo I found myself eating the same amount of fat either paleo or WAPF. Stating that paleo diets do not support vitamin A or K? Those are important vitamins you get from food sources. Also, fermented foods are very popular. Everyone I know following paleo eats fermented foods. As for raw milk? Only people with milk issues do not drink milk. I consumed yogurt, raw butter and raw milk when on a paleo diet since, I do not have lactose issues like some do.

If anything these makes me lose a lot of respect for those of WAPF. So, many paleo people support what you do and follow a similar version. Has the bipartisan US politics come to the WAPF? What do you gain from this, to divide and concur? If anything such a misinformed article actually makes me question the sources of WAPF. Obviously, the writer did not do their research and has a bone to pick with misinformation.
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written by Modern Survival, Nov 19 2013
Based on the chart presented it is clear that once again Mrs. Fallon is more interested in starting an argument (likely to capitalize on the popularity of paleo) then telling the truth.
Paleo, WAPF, commonsense eating.
written by SC, Nov 18 2013
Hi Lesley, thanks for sharing your experience with your food experiences growing up, sounds idyllic. I just wanted to be clear that I do not think Paleo should be considered the same as the WAPF diet, as I agree there are definitely some differences. My point was that the Paleo Diet, as described in the article/chart is also different from many if not most of the paleo diets being practiced today. Ideally the chart heading would be properly labeled as PALEO DIET - as proposed by Loren Cordain and Robb Wolf with a sub note underneath the heading to further clarify, such as (Note: there are various other paleo based diets that may and do vary from the recommendations proposed by Loren Cordain and Robb Wolf.) This was done in the body of the article text but was not properly noted in the chart. I do not have a problem with the Cordain version of Paleo being called out and in fact welcome it, as I disagree with it as well. In fact, I had a friend that just last week that said he was starting on the Paleo diet and just purchased The Paleo Diet by Loren Cordain. I advised him to take that book back and get The Perfect Health Diet, as that is the version that will be easier to follow and provide much better results imo, he said he would. I said you don’t have to but he said I definitely will, as I want to follow the diet that you originally explained to me. Also, I had a similar situation that occurred a few years back when my manager basically did the same thing. He was traveling and said I just past a Barnes and Noble, I am going tostop back after I fuel up and pick up a copy of the Paleo book you recommended, as I need to do something about my weight and energy. Later we were comparing notes and we weren’t on the page. I asked him where are you getting the recommendation to eat lean meat? He said that Paleo book you told me to get and he said the author was Loren Cordain. I laughed and said, that is the wrong version of Paleo, he swithced gears and later said now I’m on board, this is much more doable and the food tastes better. So by all means, I endorse WAPF pointing out the differences between the WAPF Diet and Cordain’s version of Paleo, I can use the help to get the word out. However, there is no need to lump the non Cordain paleo followers with those that follow a paleo diet that is more in line with WAPF. Also, at the end of the article you slid in the Blood Type Diet as a WAPF compatible type diet which is another matter completely. Again, if the Blood Type Diet works for you then that is great but it is not WAPF endorsed and should also not be conjoined either, in fact the Blood Type diet was down voted by WAPF in their review that you can find here; http://www.westonaprice.org/th...-your-type
Chart Heading - Please Update
written by Skip, Nov 18 2013
To present an accurate chart, please update the Paleo Diet Heading on the chart to:


PALEO DIET - as proposed by Loren Cordain and Robb Wolf

(Note: there are various other paleo based diets that may and do vary from the recommendations proposed by Loren Cordain and Robb Wolf.)


Paleo, WAPF, commonsense eating.
written by Lesley Parker, Nov 18 2013
I grew up on a diary farm in a pristine valley, and we ate chops, sausages, eggs, cream, fried in lard tomatoes, onions etc for breakfast. Cold meats cuts from roasts of lamb, beef, chicken, vegetables from home grown garden, eggs from own chooks, roasts, gravy, everything cooked in butter or dripping (left over fats from the baking of meat or off the top of boiled meats (olive oil was a luxury in those days)home baked custards with rices, cream, raw whole milk, stewed peaches, figs, rosella & marmalade jams from own trees etc etc. Nothing was microwaved (no such thing then), everything cooked in or on a wood stove, Mum had a kettle at the back of the stove into which went bones to make broth, and when I came home from school I had dripping with salt on my bread (bread was bread in those days). This was not a paleo diet, it was not a WAP diet, it was not a hunter gatherer diet, it was the food we ate then, we all did and I'm 70 now so that was what we ate if we lived country Australia 50 - 70 years ago. Oh, and sometimes Mum wold make a bean or rice dish, lots of soaking before cooking, or adding to stews, we ate cakes made with eggs and butter and whole milk for special occasions (not every day as people do now) and sandwiches were a treat, made to take to the creek when we went as a family to swim around Christmas time when it was so hot, with water melons put in the creek water to cool them down before eating (only kerosene fridges then), no room for water melon. We did not have anywhere near the cancer or heart or obesity or diabetes disease then, the meat was all pasture feed (no such thing as feed lots, no hormones used to cause the cows to produce more, every Christmas a pig was selected to be slaughtered and smoked for ham and bacon for Christmas and the pigs roamed freely on pasture. This was what we would now have to select as "certified" organic meats etc. It wasn't all that long ago, certainly not "paleo" 1000's of years, but it was a described in Weston A Price's book "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" first published 1939 and from which Sally Fallon has thankfully perpetuated the knowledge into today's world. It hasn't taken thousands of years to degenerate into the critical health mess we are in today, so we don't need to go back thousands of years, just look to fifty years ago, unprocessed, home or market grown, no chemicals, fat, salt, free ranged meats, chooks, raw dairy foods we didn't choose in those days that was the food that was available. We need to choose this food now, it's just common-sense and if you don't know what was eaten then, buy Nourishing Traditions, it's a wealth of knowledge or use the Eat Right for your Blood type protocol, it is also a wealth of knowledge with past empirical knowledge just as Weston A Price's work is. Please don't club Paleo (based on supposition) with WAP (based on fact).
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written by Foodie luvver, Nov 17 2013
SC, completely agree with your post, this way my sentiment exactly when I read the article.
Calm down everyone!
written by Kris Johnson, Nov 14 2013
Well this discussion has certainly made everyone aware of Sally's comments in the Summer issue of Wise Traditions that we hadn't paid much attention to. Please remember that the purpose of the above article was to compare the original Paleo Diet (a trademarked name) with WAPF diet, since that's where newbies often start. If you look at Cordain's and Wolf's websites, http://thepaleodiet.com/what-t...aleo-diet/ and http://robbwolf.com/what-is-the-paleo-diet/, that's where they are at. It's wonderful that what people call their "Paleo" diet has advanced to include many WAPF principles. I might point out Chris Masterjohn's thumb's up review of The Perfect Health Diet, http://www.westonaprice.org/th...g-jaminet, which is a relative of the paleo diet, but with a more solid scientific basis. Masterjohn emphasizes the variability in human nutrient requirements which means there is no one size fits all diet. The beauty of the WAPF Dietary Guidelines is that they emphasize a wide variety of whole natural foods, properly prepared, that have been consumed by truly healthy people, without putting any of these foods on a banned list. Many people achieve vibrant health following the guidelines. Others with persistent or more serious health problems may do better seeking more specific guidance, such as the GAPS diet or the Perfect Health Diet, or other approaches to restricting foods that trigger problems. Sometimes they need the help of an holistic health practitioner to deal with other barriers to healing, such as hormone issues. So calm down, everyone. It no easy task figuring out what diet works for you as an individual.
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written by SC, Nov 13 2013
This article is a major whiff by Sally. Contrary to Sally's assertion Lorain Cordain is not even close to the leading voice in Paleo. Yes, he was an early voice in introducing Paleo but he is not the authority. The leading Paleo advocates today imo are Jaminet, Sisson, Kresser and Wolf. BTW, Wolf is in the Kresser camp now, not the Cordain camp. My first reaction was that this must be an outdated article but I was flabbergasted to see that this article was written just this month. It appears that Sally may feel threatened by the popularity of the Paleo diet and is trying to discount the Paleo Diet, as inferior to the WAPF diet. I like the WAPF foundation and support their principles but can't support this article as a representation of the Paleo Diet, as a whole. The major difference, as I see it,is that WAPF is ok with nearly all grains and beans, as long as they are properly prepared. I don't believe that these preparation methods are 100% effective and more importantly for me they are not worth the time and hassle for taste or nutrition value. Sure, if I didn't have a choice but to eat grains or beans I would follow the WAPF preparation principles but until that time, grains (other than white rice) and legumes (other than green beans,sugar/snap peas) are off the menu. As for dairy, the Paleo Diet basis that choice on a persons tolerance for lactose and casein, if that is not an issue than dairy from grassfed cows preferably raw is a healthy choice. I would like to see a retraction or at least a major correction on this article. Some major issues, can't mention them all, as I would basically have to re-write nearly your entire chart as Paleo (Jaminet, Sisson, Kresser, and Wolf)all encourage butter, high fat favoring organ meats, oily/fatty seafood, free range eggs not fed soy or corn, favor yolks over whites, pork cooked thoroughly or cured/smoked, oils - butter, ghee, coconut, palm, lard, tallow and olive oil to a lesser degree and as a dressing not to cook with. Vegetables slathered in butter or other saturated fat. White potatoes are Paleo, if nightshades are tolerated. Fat soluble activators,highly recommended. Fruits, high fat even better. Lacto fermeneted food highly recommended, salt particularly Himalayan used liberally to taste. Protein 15%-20% of calories.Vitamin D3, supported with Vitamin A and K. Saturated Fats dominant as 60%-70% of calories. Fish oil not recommended as typically rancid in oil and pill form. Carbs 20%-30% of calories from safe starches. Cholesterol beneficial. Preconception/pregnancy diet fat soluble vitamins thru diet are critical. I strongly suggest you get better educated on the Paleo Diet by reading Paul Jaminet's The Perfect Health Diet and Chris Kresser's Personal Paleo Code when it comes out in December 2013. Again, wow this article may cost you a lot of previous WAPF supporters that are in the Paleo camp.
This is a fair analysis of exactly what's stated and only that: Paleo in Cordain and Wolf's Books
written by Kasey, Nov 12 2013
I formerly branded myself a Paleo eater and followed the guidelines primarily of Robb Wolf's Paleo Solution, along with some other internet recommendations, and it was actually my interest in Paleo eating that eventually led me to the WAPF and Nourishing Traditions. I just want to state to a few of the commenters who are disappointed, or feeling attacked, etc. that I think the main problem is not considering how this article actually started: Complimenting the fact that Paleo eaters are contributing to a common cause of WAPF: grass fed meats, farmers who practice good principles, as well as stating that there are many different ways of implementing paleo but the first google searches and most popular authors recommend the following. Now it is absolutely true that a lot of paleo information out there recommends butter, lots of coconut oil, organ meats, potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc etc. Having followed Wolf's guidelines for a time, I think the above analysis is completely reasonable and in line with what I read and understood as Paleo guidelines. I think part of the issue here is reflected even in the names of the two philosophies: WAPF(very centred mentality, one organization) and Paleo(broad term interchangeably used with cave man diet, primal, etc) with a less centralized source of recommendations. I agree that I think Mrs. Fallon could attempt to further recognize the similarities and "join forces" but I think this article did exactly what it said it would- therefore there's no reason anyone should be disappointed or upset by it. The article does mention that some forms of Paleo diet employ some WAPF principles. At the end of the day though, the WAPF does not recommend 1 or 2 things seriously, for example eating saturated fat and bone broth, with the other points being irrelevant or merely peripheral. The recommendations are comprehensive within a framework allowing for almost infinite variation in individual diets in practice. What this means is that although there are similarities, it's like saying that since 3.8 is almost 4, let's just say they're both 4. Sally is saying that 4 is 4, and 3.8 is 3.8, and if you need 4 of something 3.8 ain't ever gonna cut it. I don't read any disrespect in this article, and once again, most importantly, the article refers explicitly to two particular authors, whose guidelines I have experience with, and in my opinion this is a fair comparison.
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written by W.K., Nov 05 2013
I am truly baffled and disappointed by this article. This doesn't even remotely represent the principles of the Paleo Diet as outlined by either of the Paleo authors mentioned. Sally would do well to review the recent literature by Robb Wolf and Loren Cordain (and the many other leading Paleo figures of today); I think she would be pleased to see the similarities of the diets are far more numerous than she implies and I think she would also see that she's just plain wrong about what "Paleo" entails.

I'm a supporter of the principles of the Weston A. Price Foundation and think the research (and recommended diet) are bold and smart and based in excellent science. The voice of this Foundation needs to be heard as it has undoubtedly saved thousands of lives. This article, however is a massive fail. Don't let it ruin your credibility.
Irresponsible Misrepresentation
written by W.K. , Nov 05 2013
I am truly baffled and disappointed by this article. This doesn't even remotely represent the principles of the Paleo Diet as outlined by either of the Paleo authors mentioned. Sally would do well to review the recent literature by Robb Wolf and Loren Cordain (and the many other leading Paleo figures of today); I think she would be pleased to see the similarities of the diets are far more numerous than she implies and I think she would also see that she's just plain wrong about what "Paleo" entails.

I'm a supporter of the principles of the Weston A. Price Foundation and think the research (and recommended diet) are bold and smart and based in excellent science. The voice of this Foundation needs to be heard as it has undoubtedly saved thousands of lives. This article, however is a massive fail. Don't let it ruin your credibility.
This is not the paleo diet I am familiar with.
written by Sandrine Love, Nov 04 2013
I wouldn't consider myself to be eating a "paleo" diet per say however, there are several in my personal circle and in the community I lead that do identify as such and the diet outlined above simply doesn't reflect their way of eating whatsoever. I think that the 2 authors cited don't represent every iteration of the "paleo or primal" dietary recommendations. There are many other voices and recommendations in the movement that folks follow beyond these 2 individuals.
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written by Jad, Oct 29 2013
Not sure what book Sally read but in my copy of the paleo solution by Robb Wolf he recommends - coconut oil and olive oil, grass fed butter if you have no allergies to dairy or autoimmune issues, and not to worry about saturated fat if your diet is low in inflammatory foods and you eat pasture raised meat. hmmmmmm. A number of the recipes call for coconut oil, fatty meats like lamb, and only has recipes with whole eggs. Hmmmm. Cordains book written much much earlier now includes coconut oil, and his original book has two recipes for liver, and he encourages people to eat tongue and marrow. Both authors have been quick to point out that ancestral communities eating a large amount of fat had much more active lifestyles than most modern people, and were also never trying to lose weight. The opposite of people now. Naturally some people will need slightly less fats and carbs initially to lose weight. By no means is either diet low carb, or low fat. This review is just ridiculous. I've followed the Weston A Price foundation for 15 years now, but will discontinue after this. Chris Masterjohn presents far more balanced and fair information on his personal site than does this. Truly saddening.
Primal Diet
written by Kitty Philips, Oct 25 2013
I have been eating a primal style diet based on Mark Sisson's book. However I do incorporate many things from Sally's book. I read hers first and started eating home made fermented foods and raw milk. I've lost 32 pounds and all of my numbers are great. I do take a b complex every day. And it took this diet to restore my digestive track after cancer treatment.
Paleo much closer to WAPF-- leads to traditional foods
written by Gretchen, Oct 19 2013
Hello,

I discovered Paleo five years ago in my quest for a better more healthy and nutritious way of eating. This quest never stopped and my love of Paleo eventually led me to discover the WAPF.

I agree with everything already said about the Paleo you listed above, so I won't repeat about all the errors. There are many more similarities with WAPF than differences when it comes to Paleo. Mark, from MarksDailyApple.com, one of the leading Primal/Paleo 'guru's actually has very kind words to say about raw milk, sprouted/fermented grains and beans. Mark's website is where I discovered kefir which eventually led me to WAPF.

I have learned much about nutrition from some in the CrossFit community who follow a Paleo/WAPF concept.... I think the biggest difference between the two is that many who follow a Paleo concept minimize the grains and beans more than the WAPF concept does due in large part to either 1-lack of knowledge about sprouting and fermentation OR 2-lack of time for sprouting and fermentation.

Just as has already been stated, banding together with the Paleo community and having constructive conversations about the differences while highlighting the HUGE amount of similarities will probably be more constructive than drawing such a dramatic and incorrect line in the sand. I told my husband after I found WAPF that, "We don't have to stop eating Paleo (which already included raw milk for us and fermented foods), we just get to add back in the occasional properly prepared bread and bean."

Please revise and review about Paleo. A good place to start would be 'Practical Paleo' by Diane Sanfilippo, with a forward by Rob Wolf. Much discussion about the benefits to eating butter/ghee/animal fats, bone broths, and fermented foods.

~Gretchen
This is completely incorrect
written by kevin cann, Oct 18 2013
The breakdown of the Paleo diet is completely inaccurate. I am a nutritionist that promotes a Weston A Price/Paleo diet to clients and I never encourage to only eat the lean parts of the animal. Fats are a critical part of the Paleo diet. Also, organ meats such as liver are encouraged to be eaten. Also, it is not saying that carbohydrates are not required. Look at the Kitavans, a modern day hunter gatherer group that takes in 69% carbohydrates. Plenty of "paleo" people recommend potatoes as well! Bone broths are also mentioned in Paleo forums all over the place. I think the information present above regarding the Paleo diet is based off of internet assumptions and not the typical practice of it.
Confusion
written by A. Burke, Oct 17 2013
In reading the comments I am struck by how all reviewers thus far object to the summary of key differences, saying it isn't accurate because it isn't the form of Paleo *they* practice, or by saying that Paleo has evolved. This may be so, however, the article clearly says: We also realize that there are many versions of the paleo diet, some of which incorporate some of the WAPF dietary principles. Nevertheless, the principles proposed by the two main spokesmen for the paleo diet—Loren Cordain and Robb Wolf—have virtually NO points in common with the WAPF principles." Personally, I find this summary helpful. I have friends and relatives who do follow the Paleo Diet as described above. Being able to give them a concise summary is of great use. (An aside: Humans use terms (such as "Paleo" or "Standard American Diet") with an agreed upon definition. This makes communication possible. (Obvious, right?) If people use the word Paleo to mean the dietary principles of Cardain and Wolf (and many do) but also the dietary principles of WAPF, then hasn't the word lost its meaning and effectiveness to communicate?)
Disappointed
written by S. G., Oct 16 2013
I am a WAPF member and follow the Paleo diet. I was upset to read last the last edition of the WAPF Journal and their "bashing" of the paleo diet.

I had hoped that this article was going to be a retraction or apology. Instead, it just goes on to reinforce the published article and seemingly draw a line in the sand between WAPF and Paleo.

I think the WAPF community is very misinformed and doing damage by not acknowledging the similarities of the two. I can only believe that WAPF is feeling left out of the Paleo frenzy that seems to be going on.

I am a Paleo eater and think my diet is pretty close to what the WAPF recommends. This article and the one in the journal are just completely wrong about what Paleo means.

I think the WAPF is creating confusion and causing problems when they should be aligning with Paleo folks to make America and the world more knowledgeable about traditional diets and healthy food.

I will not be able to continue supporting WAPF if they continue to print misinformed material, as it makes me question their other "research".
Unity
written by Chelsea, Oct 14 2013
I was poking around on this website trying to find methods of proper grain preparation when I stumbled upon this post. As others have mentioned, the information on what paleo is is outdated at best. By my reading, research, and subsequent lifestyle changes, good fats etc. are central to the current paleo model. I would not know about the WAPF if not for Robb Wolf, and it is Kresser's reference to WAP grain preparation that lead me to this site. Dogmatism and sepratism will not help sick people, and leads one to distrust information. I hope primal/paleo/wapf doesn't go the way of veganism and turn out to be entirely based on correlation and hide potential hazzards of the diets. Thanks for all you do, but please be honest and do more thorough research. If this information is so outdated, how can we trust that other data is not skewed or inaccurate as well?
Paleo vs. WAPF
written by Olive Kaiser, Oct 14 2013
OK, then essentially what a lot of current "Paleo" folks are practicing sounds like a grain free, and sometimes dairy free or reduced dairy (meaning butter or perhaps fermented milk) WAPF diet. Perhaps this can vary depending on their stage of healing at least with the raw dairy? In my experience this is a commonsense approach for many beginners today who are too compromised to handle grains or dairy. Sad that some practices of the traditional peoples are no longer possible for many of us due to the rapid deterioration of digestion and trashing of our food supply.
Paleo Problem
written by Rebeccah Hunter, Oct 14 2013
I would have to comment and agree with Aubrey. Fats are a huge part of the paleo diet that is practiced by many today. Very important. Many people who also practice Paleo are also huge supporters of ONLY grass-fed and pasture raised animals as their source of protein. It isn't really fair to say that the above diet is Paleo. Butter and healthy animal fats are a huge part of today's paleophiles diets. Perhaps it is not by some people, but this is not the Paleo diet compared to WAPF diet is not the Paleo diet that I have come into contact with in any way.
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written by tammy , Oct 14 2013
Came to your website for research purposes. Came upon Your differences between paleo and WAPF diet. There are many inaccuracies. I eat paleo/primal and thru much research many of the things you say are not allowed are truly allowed. I enjoy fat with my meat and all strive to use the whole animal. Fruits and vegetables are allowed and encouraged for the wonderful nutritional value. Saturated fats and probitic foods are encouraged.
I encourage you to take a look at the paleo/primal template again so you are @ least providing accurate information.
THE Paleo Diet?
written by Michael_N, Oct 08 2013
I think this serves as an excellent guide to the Weston A Price Diet. However, there is no such thing as THE Paleo Diet. Paleo is too general a term for anyone to claim it. At best the paleo diet refers to what humans ate during the paleolithic era, and as we all know, that varied tremendously. Modern paleo-style eaters try to adhere to some principles of healthy eating, inspired by what we know about our ancestors, their food, and about modern science. We tend to eat very natural products and we are careful to get a healthy mix of macro- and micro nutrients, and we stay away from most things processed (although butter and cheese are staple for many). Sure, there are clear differences, and most paleo-style eaters do not regard bread as real food smilies/wink.gif
This isn't the Paleo people are practicing today
written by Aubrey, Oct 08 2013
Great article, I think it is important to note the differences as well as the similarities between the WAPF and Paleo diets.

The biggest mistake that I see made when assessing the paleo diet (not just here but many other articles) is using Cordain's or even Wolf's book as a reference on what paleo is. They are out of date with how paleo is being practiced today.

The problem I have is that this article does not representing the paleo diet that many people are following. What I see are people eating grass-fed fatty as well as lean meats, using predominantly animal fat oils, including fermented foods (vegetable ferments, cheeses, yoghurt, kefir, etc.), dairy (full-fat, raw, often fermented), bone broths, salt without restriction, focus on organ meats, especially liver and kidneys, widespread use of fermented cod-liver oil, varied carbohydrate intake including potatoes and rice, pastured eggs or even just yolks, liberal use of animal fats with vegetables, and more. Some have called this a paleo template vs. "The Paleo Diet". I think Chris Kresser work at www.chriskresser.com is a great example of the paleo template.

To me this places the most common version of paleo much closer to WAPF diet. Are people eating paleo cribbing from WAPF? Absolutely. I think it is to the paleo community's credit that they are open to new and disruptive ideas, even when they are disruptive to currently held beliefs and practices.

I'll say it again: The biggest mistake that I see made when assessing the paleo diet is using Cordain's or even Wolf's book as a reference. They are out of date with how paleo is being practiced today.

Aubrey
What About Primal?
written by J.T., Oct 07 2013
The Primal form of Paleo includes diary, saturated fat, and pasture-raised meats including the organs. Mark Sisson is the primary proponent and his book The Primal Blueprint the definitive work. I believe he mentions soaking nuts in some materials and eating raw whole fat dairy. He does not agree with grains and legumes do the anti-nutrients and the fact that it's better to substitute relatively nutrient poor grains/legumes with either vegetables and/or animal fat.

Could you guys review that book as well?

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