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FAQ-Homemade Baby Formula PDF Print E-mail
Written by Marie Bishop, Sally Fallon and Mary G. Enig, PhD   
Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:03

The advice to make homemade baby formula as an alternative to commercial formula has been one of the most controversial positions taken by the Weston A. Price Foundation—and also one that has elicited the most grateful praise. While government officials and orthodox pediatricians are often appalled at the thought of a parent mixing up baby formula—and one based on raw milk, no less—the feedback we have received from parents has been extremely positive.

Some breastfeeding advocates have also criticized our stance, claiming that by providing a more healthy alternative to commercial formulas, we are discouraging breastfeeding. Make no mistake: the best food for baby is breastmilk from a healthy mother. However, many situations call out for a good substitute: adopted and orphaned babies, babies born to mothers with serious health problems, and babies whose mothers do not have enough milk (a situation that does happen occasionally) deserve to receive something better than commercial formula.

The following questions have been compiled by the authors over a period of several years and should cover most situations encountered by parents giving homemade formula to their babies. Refer to these Q&A when using our Recipes for Homemade Baby Formula. See also videos on making the formulas by Chapter Leader Sarah Pope: Milk-Based & Liver Based Formula Video.

  • Iron supplementation?
  • Mixing the formula
  • Using the Lact-Aid
  • Additive in acerola powder
  • Reaction to the formula
  • Spitting up
  • Commercial formula brands
  • Powdered whey
  • Making whey
  • Freezing the formula
  • Modifying the formula
  • Refrigerated ingredients
  • Is bifidum infantis necessary?
  • Is raw milk safe?
  • Pasteurized cow’s milk or raw goat milk?
  • Safety of raw liver
  • Dry kefir culture
  • Taxing the kidneys
  • Cream in the liver formula
  • Maximum storage time
  • Beef or chicken liver
  • Soy feeding of animals
  • Constipation
  • Feeding juice
  • Lost weight on the formula
  • When to switch to plain raw milk
  • Formula for older children
  • Feeding tube
  • Yahoo group for parents
  • Nutrient comparison between breast milk and the homemade formulas
  • Liver-based formula
  • Cod liver oil in formula/Too much EPA?
  • Raw milk formula
  • Feeding egg yolk

Iron Supplementation?

Q: Does there need to be iron supplementation with cow's milk formula? My son's pediatrician freaked out when I told him I had my son on homemade formula (I didn't tell him it was raw milk however to avoid another discussion). He told me my son needed to be on iron supplements because he wasn't on commercial iron fortified formula. There is no mention of needed iron supplementation with the cow's milk formula only the goat formula. Also reading I have read that iron from cow's milk is not easily digestible for infants. I did notice there is 4% iron in the nutritional yeast.

A: Mother's milk is low in iron for a reason--iron competes with zinc, which is needed for neurological development. However, the lacto-ferrin in raw milk helps the baby absorb all the iron that is there in the milk. If you will look at the nutrient charts for our formula recipes (see below) you will see that there is actually more iron in the homemade formulas than there is in breast milk, so there is no need whatsoever to add additional sources of iron up to the age of six months. At that time, the baby does need additional iron. This should be given in the form of egg yolks and liver--liver is the first weaning food in traditional cultures for this very reason--because at the age of six months, the baby does need additional iron.

Mixing the Formula

Q: When I give the formula to my baby, the oils float to the top and the baby ends up getting a lot of oil that makes him gag. So he ends up not getting all the oil in the formula.

A: Try this: gently warm the amount of formula you are going to give the baby, and then blend in the blender. The baby most likely will finish taking the formula before the oils separate. You can also give the cod liver oil separately, with an eye dropper, to ensure he is getting all he needs.

Q: Once I heat the gelatin until it dissolves it's still hot and I mix it with the cold dairy ingredients and blend -- should I let it cool off before mixing it with the dairy products in the blender?

A: In my experience, the gelatin did not get hot enough for it to matter about adding it to the colder ingredients. In fact, I melted all the ingredients that I had previously frozen. Above is my process, which may offer a little help.

Q: After I've blended the ingredients I'm left with quite a bit of foam on top of the mixed formula. I've been tossing out the foam -- is that correct or should the foam settle to blend in with the liquefied formula underneath?

A: About the foam, I do remember there being a little that formed after blending, but once I poured it into the bottles and let them sit for a little bit it seemed to dissolve back into the formula. I would try leaving it and see what happens, if anything it is one less step you have to do.

Using the Lact-Aid

Q: In order to continue to nurse while I am giving formula to my baby, I am trying to use the Lact-Aid device (which carries the formula through a small tube that the baby takes in his mouth while also suckling on the breast). But the formula is too thick and keeps clogging up the tube.

A: Be sure that the formula is well blended (in a blender) before putting it in the Lact-Aid and also that it is warm enough. It is best to use the Lact-Aid with raw milk, not cultured milk, as the latter tends to be thicker. You may also try leaving out the gelatin. One other option is to add about 1/4 cup more water to the formula. The nutrients will be less concentrated, but he is also getting your breast milk.

Additive in Acerola Powder

Q: I notice that the NOW brand acerola powder for the formula contains maltodextrin. I am concerned about giving any additives to my baby, especially one derived from corn.

A: At the moment, the only acerola powder available to us is the NOW brand, which contains maltodextrin as a flowing agent. Acerola powder really does get caked up without some kind of agent. So, until we find a brand with a better flowing agent, this is the best we can do. Baby really does need vitamin C and the amount of maltodextrin is very small.

Reaction to the Formula

Q: My baby threw up repeatedly from the formula. Through a process of elimination, I found that my baby was having a severe reaction to the added nutritional yeast. My baby was born with a very weak system and we, her parents, are very sensitive also. What does a parent do for what’s missing without the nutritional yeast?

A: The yeast is not absolutely necessary in the cow’s milk formula but it is in the goat milk formula. If goat milk is the only milk available to you, then switch to the liver-based formula (see the next question).

Spitting Up

Q: What modifications do I make if my baby is spitting up frequently?

A: If you are using the cow’s milk formula, first try eliminating the nutritional yeast, which may be causing the problem. If that does not work, then switch to the goat milk formula; if the problem persists, try the liver-based formula. We can cite several examples of babies who had extreme reactions to any milk-based formula (including projectile vomiting) who did beautifully on the liver-based formula.

Commercial Formula Brands

Q: Is it possible to use other commercial brands of formula when making the Fortified Commercial Formula recipe? I’ve seen other suggestions made on mercola.com.

A: The only formula brand we recommend is the one made by Mead Johnson. It is the only commercial formula that we know of that uses lactose and it also contains coconut oil. The recipe should be made up for one day only. The Mead Johnson formula is only a stop gap formula to be used in emergencies or when the ingredients for homemade formula are temporarily unavailable.

Update: We are sorry to report that the Mead Johnson (Enfamil) Low Iron formula is no longer available. In fact, all commercial formula now contains iron, by FDA decree. The best choice for commercial formula today seems to be Baby's Only Organic Dairy Formula. It contains iron but otherwise contains higher quality ingredients than any of the other commercial formulas. It is also the only brand on the market at this time without the Martek DHASCO and ARASCO additive. If you are forced to use commercial formula, make sure that baby is getting cod liver oil, either added to the formula or given with an eye dropper or syringe. As soon as possible, introduce solid foods like egg yolk, liver, meat and bone broths.

Powdered Whey

Q: Can I use dry milk powders from high quality sources like Garden of Life’s Goatein, if I can’t find a good source of raw or organic milk?

A: We do not recommend powdered goat whey—it is lacking in casein. And no matter how carefully it is processed, whey proteins are very fragile and the proteins are going to be altered in processing—that is why scientists do not use whey-based feed in animal experiments. Instead, they use dried casein, which is a much less fragile protein. We heard from one parent in California who was using Goatein, when she could have gone out to the store and bought raw milk. If you can’t get raw milk, you should make the meat-based formula. Powdered whey is not appropriate—this is a whole foods formula.

Making Whey

Q: I’m having trouble getting raw milk to separate to make fresh whey. Basically it sours but never separates. One recipe for whey calls for bringing milk with added salt to a boil, adding 2 tablespoons lemon juice and stirring until it is curdled. Is it OK to make whey this way?

A: It takes longer to make fresh whey from raw milk than it does from yoghurt, sometimes up to 5-6 days for the milk to really separate, especially in cooler weather. Set raw milk on the counter in an airtight glass container. When the milk looks really awful, then you know that it has separated. If you are still having trouble, make whey out of already cultured milk (yoghurt or kefir) or with a top brand of commercial whole milk yoghurt, such as Seven Stars Farm or Brown Cow. With yoghurt you can make whey overnight. Making whey by adding lemon juice to boiled milk negates all the good things about your raw milk, and you will not be putting back any good enzymes or bacteria, which is what happens in yoghurt making.

Freezing the Formula

Q: Can I freeze the formula? What is the best method to thaw? I am guessing warm water. I would freeze the formula in mason freezer jars that are 8-ounce capacity.

A: We recommend making the formula fresh daily—this is part of your new baby routine. The exception might be when you are traveling and yes, you can set the jars in warm water to thaw. However, raw milk may be frozen with no ill effects. Many parents must drive long distances to pick up their raw milk, and the solution to this is to obtain it in large quantities and freeze it. When the raw milk thaws, there will be small clumps of cream that can be smoothed out with a whisk or by putting the milk in a blender.

Modifying the Formula

Q: My daughter has 5-month-old twins and we’re in the process of weaning them off of infant formula. I have ordered milk from one of the dairy farmers mentioned on the Weston A. Price Foundation’s website. This particular farmer does pasteurize his milk but only to a degree that does not destroy the enzymes in the milk. My question to you is what variations can be made in the formula that would make this affordable as well as a good formula for the twins. My daughter and her husband are on a budget that won’t allow a large monthly expense for the ingredients. Is there some way that the formula can be varied so that it won’t cost that much for them? Also, I know my daughter won’t have the time to make the easy whey recipe. Please give suggestions as to how to make this work affordably for them. My daughter is on the WIC program and the ONLY formula approved is the Similac (which is what the twins are on now).

A: We do not recommend altering the formula to save money. You could be compromising a child. The recipe was formulated to exact specifications to mimic nutrient-rich human mother’s milk. If you find that raw milk with shipping is too expensive, then do the meat-based formula, which is less expensive. The homemade formula ingredients cost just under $4 per day, through mail order with shipping charges, or when purchased locally with sales tax. This does not include the cost of the milk and cream, which varies widely. Similac costs around $4 per day, including average local sales tax. So while the initial homemade formula cost including milk and cream will be higher, over the long run it is much cheaper considering the typical health challenges and costs that come with conventional formula. This, of course, says nothing about creating a superior foundation for your child’s optimal development and lifelong health.

If your daughter must rely on the only formula that WIC allows, she should use the fortified formula recipe. Unfortunately, from reports we receive from parents, Similac is one of the most problematic formulas for babies. In fact, virtually every parent we’ve heard from, who has had their baby on commercial formula before using the homemade formula, reports very unfortunate stories. We recommend fortifying commercial formula only as an emergency backup. We have hundreds of customers report to us that when they get their babies off commercial formula, their health issues disappear and the babies thrive. They become radiant babies with vibrant health and beautiful dispositions.

I can really appreciate the circumstances of your daughter, and not with just one baby, but two! As far as the quick way to make whey, if she doesn’t have time to take a container of yogurt, pour it into a strainer lined with cheese cloth and collect the liquid after it drains, she really doesn’t have time to be doing any part of this recipe. Once you get into the routine, it is very easy. Parents report that it’s very fast and easy to make up the formula. Just think of how time-consuming it will be when these twins are age 2 and eat solid food and meals have to be prepared for them! Draining whey from yogurt will look easy!

Refrigerated Ingredients

Q: Which of the added ingredients should be refrigerated?

A: Sunflower oil and bifidum; keep the cod liver oil in a cool, dark place.

Is Bifidum Infantis Necessary?

Q: Would you need to put bifidus in the formula if you were using cultured milk? Wouldn’t cultured milk contain bifidus?

A: No, bifidum infantis is a beneficial gut flora that predominates in the infant until age 7. Infants can’t get it except from the mother in the birth canal, and then it’s still helpful to get more.

Is Raw Milk Safe?

Q: If I’m not comfortable using the raw milk in the formula because the woman at the farm I spoke to did not recommend giving their raw milk to infants; she said that not every single container could be tested, so there was no guarantee that every container was bacteria-free. What could be some acceptable substitutes? I would think that if I cultured the raw milk with kefir powder or kefir grains, then the beneficial bacteria would kill any bad bacteria that might be in the milk. Another alternative that I thought of was to pasteurize the milk from the farm myself and then culture it. My only concern is that what if I don’t pasteurize properly, will the beneficial bacteria from the kefir powder take care of any mistakes I made. (I already experimented with this and it was difficult, even with constant stirring, to keep the top layer of milk at the right temperature.) A third alternative that I thought of is to use some good quality yogurt from the health food store. What do you think of these ideas? Can you help alleviate any of my fears about bad bacteria? I don’t want to take any unnecessary chances with my child.

A: Farmers need to be careful when speaking to the public, but you can be assured that if basic sanitation measures are followed, raw milk is completely safe, in fact, safer than pasteurized milk. Raw milk contains many bioactive components that get rid of bad bacteria. When bad bacteria such as E. coli are added to raw milk, these components get rid of them. Of course, this marvelous system for getting rid of pathogens can be overwhelmed if the cows are very unhealthy and the milk gets dirty. Basic sanitation measures include testing of the cows to make sure they are disease free; washing the teats with iodine solution before milking; using a milking machine; and storing the milk in a stainless steel bulk tank, glass bottles or hard plastic bottles at a cool temperature.

Most important, the cows should be on pasture as much as possible, and in the winter, in a well ventilated barn fed mostly hay. We do not recommend using any kind of milk, even raw milk, from cows kept in confinement, especially when the diet is based on grain and includes such additives as citrus peel cake and bakery waste. We recommend using cultured pasteurized milk only when raw milk is unavailable and in this case, the meat-based formula is probably preferable, given the way milk is processed today. We do not recommend pasteurizing your own milk, it is too risky.

Pasteurized Cow’s Milk or Raw Goat Milk?

Q: If you have a choice of cow’s organic, pasteurized unhomogenized milk that you have cultured or raw goat’s milk supplemented with raw liver, which would you choose? We do not have access to organic liver.

A: Use the raw goat milk plus liver recipe. Just use the best that you can find. Probably in this case, you should use calves liver or lambs liver, which would be a cleaner product than chicken. Another solution is to use desiccated liver (Carlson’s brand is good).

Safety of Raw Liver

Q: I am afraid to use the raw liver, as called for in the raw goat milk formula.

A: As long as you freeze the liver for 14 days, it is safe; however if you are concerned, you can simmer the liver before adding it. An alternative is the liver-based formula which calls for simmering the liver in broth.

Dry Kefir Culture

Q: Is Body Ecology’s dry kefir culture just as acceptable as the piima culture or culturing with kefir grains? GEM cultures has been a real problem for people—sometimes it takes six weeks to get their cultures. Do you like the powdered kefir culture?

A: We hear that the powdered kefir gets really thick—like yoghurt—so it does not work very well in the formula. GEM cultures was initially overwhelmed by orders, but has now caught up and is shipping as soon as people order.

Taxing the Kidneys

Q: I’ve read that the high solute load in goat’s milk results in a taxing of the kidneys. Can you explain this to me? What can I do to avoid this? Is just diluting the goat’s milk enough?

A: Yes, this is why we dilute both the cow and goat formula with water.

Cream in the Liver Formula

Q: Why is there no need for cream (or nutrients thereof) in the liver formula? Does the liver take care of what the other oils don’t?

A: This is supposed to be a casein-free formula. The coconut oil supplies the saturated fats. Coconut oil is essential in this formula.

Maximum Storage Time

Q: Is 24 hours the maximum you would consider storing mixed formula in the refrigerator?

A: Yes, to be safe, you should mix up the formula fresh every morning.

Beef or Chicken Liver

Q: Is there a preference for beef or chicken liver? The goat formula recommends chicken liver but the meat formula just states “liver.”

A: We used chicken liver for the goat milk formula because that gave us the best equivalent to the nutrients in mother’s milk. For the liver formula, beef or lamb liver give the best equivalents. However, for babies older than six months, you can use chicken, beef or lamb in either formula.

Soy Feeding Of Animals

Q: If a cow or chicken is eating soy, is there a concern for that with the liver?

A: Of course, it would be better if the chickens were completely pastured and not getting soy but this is very rare. However, the estrogens would be stored mostly in the chicken fat and not in the liver. Beef is not fed much soy so the beef liver is also OK.

Constipation

Q: My baby has become constipated on the goat milk formula.

A: Goat milk is more likely to be constipating than cow’s milk, which is one reason we recommend a formula based on cow’s milk as the first choice. A small amount of diluted prune juice may help and one parent had good luck adding a little warmed molasses to the formula. The Digestive Tea in Nourishing Traditions is also a good remedy. It is very important that baby’s stool not become impacted. A baby suppository should help him evacuate his bowels if the other methods do not work.

Q: I have been making the milk-based formula for 10 days and realize that it makes the baby constipated and she only has 1-2 bowel movements per day as opposed to the regular 4-6 she had on formula and they are more solid than liquid.

A: Actually 4-6 liquid bowel movements per day is not normal and the 1-2 more solid bowel movements per day is appropriate. The stool should be firm enough to be shaped, but not hard.

Feeding Juice

Q: A popular juice book recommends giving juices to a baby after 5 months. What do you think of this idea?

A: It’s a terrible idea! Apart from a little prune juice in cases of constipation, babies should not be given juice. There is no real nourishment for babies in juice—the vegetable juices are difficult for babies to digest and many contain a variety of anti-nutrients; and the fruit juices will be too sweet. And this rule applies right through the growing years. Do not get your child in the juice habit—these juices are very high in sugar and difficult-to-digest carbohydrates and can take away their appetite for nourishing foods.

Lost Weight on the Formula

Q: My 6-month-old baby was doing fine on the cow’s milk formula but suddenly broke out in a rash and lost 3 pounds. Should I switch to the liver-based formula?

A: Whenever there is a sudden weight loss after doing well on the formula, parents should look for other causes. In this case, with questioning, it emerged that the weight loss occurred after the baby had been given 4 vaccinations in one day! Exposure to pesticides or toxins is another culprit. If a cause like this can be pinpointed, then it would be best to stay on the formula that is working for the child. If no other cause can be determined, then try switching to another formula.

When to Switch To Plain Raw Milk

Q: At what age can we switch from formula to plain raw milk?

A: The answer to this depends on the age, weight and maturity of the child. A child that was premature, very small or delayed in development may benefit from taking the formula in a bottle well past the first year. But a child who is growing well, sitting up, eating solid foods and able to sip from a cup can probably transition to raw milk sometime after the 8th month.

Formula for Older Children

Q: I have a 3-year-old and a 5-year-old who suffer from asthma, bronchitis, eczema and other chronic issues. Can I use the formula as a supplement? I want a way to get really good nutrition into my kids.

A: This is worth a try. You may want to give the cod liver oil separately. (You can do this with an eye dropper.)

Feeding Tube

Q: We have a child who is being fed with a feeding tube. Can we use the formula in this case?

A: Yes, the formula would be very appropriate and would supply the child with good whole nutrition while he heals.

Yahoo Group for Parents

Q: Where can I go to get advice and communicate with other parents using the homemade formula?

A: A new Weston A. Price Healthy Babies Yahoo Group has been formed. Subjects will include preconception diets, pregnancy diets, breastfeeding, health issues and homemade formula. Anyone is welcome. To register, go to http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/newwaphb/ .

Nutrient Comparison

Q: Do you know the nutrient profile for breast milk vs. your homemade formulas?

A: See our nutrient comparison chart at the end of our Recipes for Homemade Baby Formula page.

Liver-Based Infant Formula

Q. When making the liver-based formula, can I use chicken broth made with just the chicken or do I have to make it with vegetables and spices?

A. You can use just chicken or chicken bones.

Q. Should the chicken broth be made daily and should I only use organic chicken?

A. You can make a big batch of chicken broth and refrigerate or freeze. Organic chicken would be best, but you can use non organic if that is all you can find. You can also use the bones left from baked or broiled chicken.

Q. What is the shelf life of the formula? Do I have to prepare it daily?

A. Daily is better but you can make it every other day if you need it while traveling or if your baby only takes a small amount.

Q. I would like to supplement my breast milk with about 10 ounces a day. How do I figure the amount?

A. I would make up the full batch and give half each day.

Q. What type of liver should I use, lamb or chicken?

A. Either is fine.

Q. How do you include the coconut oil without it solidifying or clumping?

A. The coconut oil is very important, be sure to warm it gently before adding.

Cod Liver Oil in Formula/Too Much EPA?

Q. I recently ordered the ingredients for home made infant formula and I have one concern. Although my wife and I take cod liver oil daily, I have read that fish oils contain too much EPA for babies. It is suggested that the EPA competes with DHA and can cause stunting of growth. The commercial formulas use an algal sourced DHA/ARA, but it doesn't seem to be available to consumers. I could buy Neuromins supplements and break them open, but that would not provide the ARA. Is the EPA a real concern?

A. We do NOT recommend fish oil, not for babies nor adults, but high vitamin or fermented cod liver oil, which supplies A and D without giving too much EPA and DHA. The EPA in cod liver oil will not compete with the DHA--these two always occur together in food. And do not use the synthetic DHA/ARA, we have heard bad reports from this. The baby will get ARA from the butterfat in the milk.

We have had nothing but good reports on growth from babies on our homemade formula

Raw Milk Formula

Q. I have a question about the raw milk infant formula. My two month old adopted daughter has been taking the formula since she was about three weeks old, when we ran out of breast milk donated by a friend. She is doing very well on this but the pediatrician has concerns about the "low' iron in the formula. I have seen the comparison chart that shows about 3-4 times the iron content of breast milk. The pediatrician is comparing it to the high iron formulas that have about 10 times the amount of iron as the raw milk formula. Do you have any information or opinion whether I should supplement with more iron?

A. You should NOT give extra iron in the first six months. Iron competes with zinc, needed for neurological development. Besides, the lactoferrin in raw milk helps the baby efficiently absorb the iron that is there. By 6 months, the baby does require extra iron and that is why the first weaning food in almost all cultures is liver. Egg yolks are also a good source of iron. So don't give supplements, but start with iron-rich foods by six months.

Q. I have a 5-month-old baby whom I primarily breastfeed but also supplement with 8 ounces daily. I want to do your formula but am confused. I was told that babies should not have any oils added to their diet and that raw milk alone is sufficient to meet the baby's needs. The same person told me fish oil is toxic because of the extraction process and should not be consumed by anyone (her information is taken from the work of Aajonus Vonderplanitz). She said the oils are solvent reactive, binding to toxins therefore pushing detoxification in the infant. Is this information correct?

A. If you do our formula, please follow the recipe exactly. It was designed to provide the same fatty acid profile as mother's milk, hence the addition of the oils. The cod liver oil is VERY important to add; it is not toxic, but provides much needed vitamins A and D. Aajonus is not right about everything, he is not a scientist. Mary Enig, who formulated these recipes, is a highly trained scientist. Go to the following links to read about the formula and the testimonials:

We have a reprint on Children's Health that you can order from our Store. It will help you as baby transitions into solid food.

Egg Yolks for Infants

Q. My 6 months old son is vomiting after eating egg yolk; what do you suggest?

A. If your son is having trouble with the egg yolk, just hold off and try to introduce it later. We did have one mother who was having this problem, but when she added a small amount of liver and salt to the egg yolk, the baby was fine. Remember to also add the salt.

Q. I have a 4-month old whom I'd like to introduce to solid foods. Your article indicates that egg yolk and bananas are a great start. How many servings of each should I offer per day?

A. It depends a lot on the baby, but 1 egg yolk and then perhaps 1/2 banana?

Q: How do you suggest feeding my child egg yolk when he cannot sit?

A: I would wait until the baby is sitting up before feeding the egg yolk. Give it on a spoon. You will have a mess the first few times, but then he will get used to it.

Q: My son, now 11 months, doesn’t seem to be able to tolerate egg yolk and liver. I have tried giving him the yolk (less than a ¼ tsp) at 5.5 months, 7 months, and 9 months and each time he threw up about 3 hours after eating it. Then same thing happened with chicken liver. My doctor said that he might have developed hyper-sensitivity to them if I ate too much of these while pregnant. What can I feed him to give him enough fat-soluble vitamins?

A: Please don't blame yourself for this. Are you giving him cod liver oil? This is the first thing I would try--using an eyedropper. Use the fermented cod liver oil from Green Pasture--this seems to be the best tolerated brand. How about other foods? At nine months, he really should be getting other foods such as pureed meats, mashed banana, whole yogurt, etc.

Q: I read that removing the gelatin from the formula makes the formula flow better through the Lactaid. QUESTION is, what's lost in removing the gelatin? (I.e. nutrition-wise?) Is the gelatin just for texture or does it have important nutritional value?

A: The gelatin makes the formula easier to digest. If the baby is not having any problems digesting it then you can leave the gelatin out.


Q: At times we will have to freeze the formula. I know it's posted that you are supposed to make it fresh every day but there will be times (at least for us) when this won't be possible and I'd still prefer using thawed WAP cow's formula to anything commercial. Therefore, QUESTIONS is:

Which ingredients lose nutritional value or potency when freezing? (I could leave a few ingredients out and add before serving). Some say that you cannot freeze the formula if the probiotics and acerola are mixed in—these must be added separately after the formula is thawed. Is this correct information or is it okay to freeze the probiotics and acerola...


A; I would add the probiotics after thawing. I don't think the freezing will hurt the acerola.



Q: I am an anesthetist and regularly provide pain relief to women in labor. My impression is that the ability to give birth has changed over the last decades, in large part probably due to changes in nutrition. Overall, it is more difficult, and more women require interventions such as epidural,
forceps or caesarean sections.

My question is, could you point out to me publications researching this topic, the influence of nutrition on the related anatomy and physiology of childbirth, links between nutrition and problems with deliveries.


A: I wish I could point out research that looks at diet and the resulting anatomy--isn't is shameful that nothing has been done since Dr. Price?

Probably the best book on this is an old (1930s) book called Safe Childbirth by Dr. Kathleen Vaughn, which Dr. Price mentions in Chapter 19 and also on page 412 in Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. I was able to read this book in England, but unable to obtain a copy, so we don't have it in our library. She shows the different pelvic shapes, which Price believes correspond to the facial shape--i.e. narrow face = narrow, oval pelvic opening = difficult childbirth. Round face = round pelvic opening = easy childbirth. (Unfortunately, she misses the mark on diet, but nevertheless it is a very interesting book.) So you can see why there are so many Caesarians necessary today, with so many ending up with narrow face and consequently a narrow pelvic opening.

Probably the best research today is the research on vitamin K--we now think that vitamin K2 (the animal form) is the same as Dr. Price's Activator X. (See the Spring 2008 issue of Wise Traditions) A sign of vitamin K deficiency is lack of development in the middle third of the face (that is, a narrow face), so lack of vitamin K would be expected to contribute to narrowing of the pelvic opening.

I also think that diet has something to do with how we can deal with pain. Mary Enig believes that MSG makes us very susceptible to pain, (this is her own personal experience) and I would guess that many nutrients (particularly vitamins A, D and K2) contribute to an ability to deal with pain.

What I can say is that our mothers who get on our diet for pregnant women usually report an easy childbirth. See (http://westonaprice.org/children/dietformothers.html) . This would be a very good study to do--looking at the relationship between maternal diet and difficulty of labor.


Q: I have a question about the baby formula, specifically the goat milk variation. My son is 8 months old and I had to put him on soy formula at 6 months after breastfeeding because he was not gaining enough weight. I am slowly transitioning to the goat milk formula but he has developed a rash on his face which I think may be caused by the lactose. I have been very careful not to introduce new foods during this process. Is it possible to omit the lactose from the formula or to use it at half strength? If so, would I need to make sure there is more goat milk in the formula? In place of the cow's cream I am using coconut milk already. I did a trial before starting the homemade formula and gave him some raw goat milk with a little whey (made from homemade goat milk yogurt). He did fine on this without rashes breaking out.

A: How much does the baby weigh? Is he sitting up? If he is mature enough, you could probably just give him raw goat milk now, and not do the formula. But you should also be giving him cod liver oil, egg yolks and pureed liver, so that he does not develop folic acid deficiency. These will help mitigate any potential problems with the soy. See the link below for an article on infant feeding, and be sure to order our Healthy Baby Issue from the Foundation.

Use only our recommended brands of cod liver oil--see the section on cod liver oil on the website.

 

This article appeared in Wise Traditions in Food, Farming and the Healing Arts, the quarterly magazine of the Weston A. Price Foundation, Summer 2005.

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<p><strong>VIDEO</strong>: Chapter leader Sarah Pope has posted videos about making both the raw milk and liver formulas:</p>
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<li>Milk-Based Formula: <a href="http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/2010/09/video-homemade-milk-based-baby-formula.html" target="_blank">thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/2010/09/video-homemade-milk-based-baby-formula.html</a></li>
<li>Liver-Based Formula: <a href="http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/2010/09/video-hypoallergenic-baby-formula.html" target="_blank">thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/2010/09/video-hypoallergenic-baby-formula.html</a></li>
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RE: Nora - Allergies & Eczema
written by Vivian, Apr 08 2014
We raised two children on the raw milk formula and they are now 4 & 2 yo. They both currently have lots of eczema and the 4yo has hives. My 4 yo has also had major constipation throughout his life from day 1 on this formula. We are now suspecting leaky gut which allows unintended things into the blood and causes this "allergic" reaction, ie eczema & hives.

We tried all sorts of creams and lotions. Don't use creams and lotions. We are managing the problem with oils & essential oils. We are recognizing that there is a deeper underlying problem in the gut and suspect the formula was the culprit.

Well we now have a 3rd child being raised on pumped breast milk & formula. He has major major eczema and dry skin, which morphed into MRSA (drug resistant staph). Problem started with breast milk. I have been very very stressed and suspected the breast milk was toxic. Cows exhibit this phenomenon when stressed so it's not unreasonable to suspect the same in humans.

We got off the breast milk and onto 100% milk formula and the symptoms eased. But the eczema persists.

Yesterday we tried a Chinese herbal tea in 1:4 ratio with the formula. The symptoms eased. Either the herbal is working or the extra water is diluting the casein. So these three children have major eczema.

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Now for my first two, which I haven't mentioned yet. (I have 5 children). Raised exclusively on Nestle Good Start til we found raw milk when they were 4 & 2 yo. Admittedly they are much more prone to sickness (colds, scarlet fevers, etc). They've grown out of it for the most part. They get sick about 2 times a year with runny nose or fever. But no eczema. None. Zero. Never been a problem. Well the first born had some mild eczema when he was 18mo (back of knee). Other than that, no eczema. No reactions to raw milk, no constipation, no eczema. Hope someone can comment. We have been promoting this formula with everyone and are now feeling very humbled. Criticism is welcome, please keep it classy. Thanks.
desiccated liver
written by Kayla, Mar 30 2014
How many Tablespoons of desiccated should go into the liver based formula? is it 6Tablespoons? This seems like a lot, no?
What can I substitute for lactose and is Palm Sugar ok?
written by Erin Harper, Mar 19 2014
Hello,
I think my twins have a reaction to lactose, itchy eyes, cranky, during/after eating. They were also resistant to breast milk (maybe it was the lactose, not sure). Anyway, when I ran out of lactose I substituted palm sugar in the same proportion. All the symptoms went away and they seem much happier in general. So, A. is this ok? B. What nutrients am I now lacking and C. Are the proportions equal to amount of lactose? Thanks for your answer.
Erin Harper
Sheeps Milk and taking out the yeast
written by Jodie Walko, Mar 17 2014
I have a four month old baby that I am still breastfeeding. However, we have been trying for about a month to figure out a good formula to make for him. I started with goats milk and he puked 2 hours after eating it, on 4 different occasions. Through muscle testing, we figured out he is sensitive to cows milk and goats milk. So we tried sheep milk. I was going to duplicate the same recipe for goats milk, with the sheep's milk however, eliminate the butter oil and lactose as they are milk based. He does just fine on sheep's milk and the other oils alone, however when I add the gelatin and yeast back in he pukes. My question is, if I eliminate the yeast, should I add in something in its place? What about if it is the gelatin? I am trying process of elimination, however I am concerned that I will be eliminating crucial nutrients or balance.

Thank you for your help!
Very Occasional Supplementation
written by Shawna, Mar 17 2014
I am pregnant for the 7th time, 5th child. I have always been able to nurse my babies for a full 12 months. However, I have never been able to pump extra for an occasional outing (even using hospital grade pumps). I have had two babies with severe reflux. I ended up using powdered goat's milk for an occasional bottle for them. I have changed to a much more traditional whole foods diet since my last baby 4 years ago. I was interested in making formula but these homemade formulas don't really sound like something reasonable for doing once a week or less. What would be a good alternative for me for the occasional times I do leave my baby (no sooner than 6 weeks old)?
Vomiting
written by Lia, Feb 17 2014
I made the home made baby formula with excellent quality organic pasteurized milk but my baby vomited 4 times I'm worried it was her first day on it she was on earthy best organic formula I don't know what to domain giving her pedialite maybe too many oils in the recipe for her system she is only 3 months old please let me know what to do when can she go back to her formula she is also full of gass and also had colic with the homemade formula. I'm very worried help!!!
Allergy
written by Nora, Jan 07 2014
My baby has been on the milk based formula for almost 2 months, however, in the last 2 weeks he has developed excema on his face and slightly constipated. What is most likely to cause this allergic reaction, and can I take it out? Note, I don't put in the nutritional yeast because he spit up too much from that.

Thanks!
Nora
Omit Lactose?
written by Elizabeth Tyler, Nov 05 2013
My 6-week-old son has been bf and supplemented with the raw milk formula since birth. I recently ran out of lactose (have a shipment on the way) and made some formula w/o it just to get us through until the shipment arrives. I've noticed a huge difference in my son's digestion. He is happier, has less gas and seems generally more comfortable. Is it ok to leave the lactose out permanently? Is there an alternative I can use? I would hate to put it back in and see all the gas and discomfort come back.
Fortified Formula
written by Preeti, Oct 07 2013
Your recipe calls for using Nature's One Formula. However, their formula is recommended for use for children 1 year and older. I have spoken with the company in person and that is what they re-iterated.
Can you please let me know if you think that the fortified formula is ok for use with newborns and infants using the Nature's One Toddler formula?

Thank You!
my baby is lactose intolerant...
written by jessie , Oct 05 2013
my child is four weeks old and is lactose intolerant. i have tried everything but he keeps spitting it up in large amounts. my doctor is playing the guessing game with me and is recommending my child take a different kind of formula every other week. is there any way i can make homemade lactose free formula? i am in desperate need of help.
baby formula
written by Cathy , Oct 05 2013
please can you tell me if a 2 week old baby can use this formula and what is the quantity to bee uses and how freqquently?
boiling raw milk
written by aliyah, Sep 24 2013
My friend is afraid to use raw milk, and I have advised her that the raw milk here is from grass fed clean jersey cows and have personally been drinking it for months with wonderful health improvements. However, she still wishes to boil it before use. My question is, if she boils it, will she need to culture it?
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written by karina, Sep 13 2013
Hello natural momma,
You only need to add 1/4 tspof desiccated liver for the whole batch based on the nourishing tradition book.
How much desiccated liver to use in goat milk formula
written by Natural Momma, Sep 09 2013
I have seen several comments on here asking about desiccated liver and was not able to find any answers to these questions. Can someone please tell me how much desiccated liver to add to one batch of baby formula or point me to where I can locate this info? I would greatly appreciate it. This is not a question whether to use raw or desiccated. I have already decided on the desiccated. That is what I am more comfortable with. I just need to know how much to add to the goat milk formula. I would really appreciate anyone who can help with this. Since I have currently not been adding it to her formula since I didn't know how much. Thank you in advance for your help!!
type of base
written by karen anderson, Aug 30 2013
My son could not tolerate formula and was unable to breastfeed. I chose a raw goat milk base for my homemade formula. He handled it so well and drank goat milk into his school years until his mind was polluted with what all the other children brought to school. I chose goat milk because of the smaller proteins, and cows milk in my opinion is all bad unless it's from grass fed Jerseys, raw and non-homogenized, period.
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written by Emily, Jul 19 2013
my son lost a lot of blood at birth (my wife suffered from a large placental abruption during delivery). when can i start feeding him liver to help negate his iron deficiency? how would you prepare it?
good quality cream.. from the raw milk?
written by Kathleen, Jul 03 2013
Hiya - I'm trying to figure out the best option for this ingredient. Should I use the separated cream from the top of the milk or use heavy (whipping) cream from the store?
Answer to Jamie
written by Heather Brown, Jun 24 2013
Jamie, the instructions for making way say do not use whey from making cheese as it will cause the formula to curdle.
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written by Rebecca Eldredge, Jun 18 2013
My baby seems to be rather gassy and burps a lot, and seems to have tummy discomfort. We are using the raw goats milk formula. Any suggestions? I think it may be keeping him from sleeping like he needs to.
Cod Liver Oil
written by Rebecca Eldredge, Jun 13 2013
I had to switch my baby from breastmilk to the goats milk formula at 8 weeks. He did not like it at first, and wasn't eating enough. I noticed that the formula didn't taste good, almost rancid, and discovered it was the cod liver oil. I took that out and he now eats very well. Is the cod liver oil absolutely necessary? Is there something else I could add to replace it?
curdling
written by Jamie Neuman, Jun 01 2013
I'm making the raw cows milk formula and my bottles cuddler at room temperature. I warm the bottle in a pan of hot tap water. Is it the whey that is making this happen? We have a small dairy, so the milk is fresh and we make our own cheese. The whey is from the cheese, it too is fairly fresh. What can I do to prevent this from happening? Is the whey a necessary ingredient?
Reply to recent questions from Sally
written by tjboyd, May 06 2013
Reply to Sarah: You could probably leave the whey out but the formula will be much less nutritious. Are you sure you need to avoid the whey--it should at least be given a try.

Reply to Jessica: Just leave the yeast completely out and see how that works.

Reply to Inci: I would try the raw milk formula first, since you are making it for your son. I just don't know about using the dessicated liver. Why not try using chicken liver--it is much less strong that calves liver.

Reply to Amanda: I would give her a few days to settle down. Any change in the major food intake can cause changes in bowel movements.

Reply to Sheila: I would keep trying with the formula, but I think you need to get your baby to a holistic practitioner. Sounds like there might be a swallowing problem. Your nearest local chapter may be able to find a practitioner who can help.
Bifidum supplier in Europe?
written by Mira K. Bryan, May 06 2013
Is there anywhere to get Bifidum in Europe, specifically Ireland (or the UK)?
my 3 month old won't drink the formula- prefers my breastmilk
written by sheila, May 04 2013
I am not producing enough milk. I'm pumping and supplementing but my baby is still hungry after a feeding and has only gained three pounds in 3 months. I made the formula and she makes a nasty face and doesn't drink down the formula, it dribbles out of her mouth-she won't swallow. I'm not sure what to do at this point. Worried that my baby isn't getting enough nutrition. Shall I try to use the commercial formula suggested or ??
Allergy
written by Marina, Mar 09 2013
I believe my 3 month old son is allergic to the coconut oil. Is there a supplement?
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written by Amanda, Mar 08 2013
Hi, I just switched my adopted baby (10 months old) from enfamil to the raw cows milk formula. She has been on it for 3 days not. Today she hada very mucus stool and another about 1hr later that was very watery. I heard that usually they get constipated with the switch. Is this normal? should I be concerned?
Dessicated Liver Powder vs. Frozen Liver
written by Inci Porter, Mar 05 2013
My daughter is currently on Neocate due to milk allergies and also has reflux. I am anxious to switch her to the liver formula, however, cannot stomach the smell of the cooked liver and the work it takes to make this everyday. Although, I am making the milk-based formula for my son every day. Can I substitute dessicated liver powder for fresh liver in this formula? Can someone provide me with direction and insight here? Thank you,
Baby Doesn't Like It Anymore?
written by Jessica, Mar 05 2013
I've been feeding my twins this formula to supplement breastmilk for the last month. At first, they both loved it, but once my hubby added 1 tsp. too much yeast, and one baby vomited. Since then, he won't drink the formula at all, even with 1/2 the recommended yeast. Does anyone know a healthy solution (omitting ingredients?) that may make it palatable for him again? Thank you!
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written by Sarah, Mar 03 2013
What can be used in place of whey in the liver formula if we are wanting to avoid all sources of dairy?
thank you
written by lion judah, Mar 02 2013
hello...just wanted to say thank you for your homemade supplement recipe. our baby girl is 8 mths now & she grows very healthy with radiant skin. when she was one month she couldn't regain her birth weight due to lack of breast milk. her pediatrician asked us to give her earth's baby organic formula. unfortunately our baby suffered severe constipation, rashes & eczema from commercial formula. finally my husband did an internet research. he found weston a. price site & your homemade formula. then we made the recipe with raw cow milk for our 2 mths old baby. after we switched to homemade formula all our baby's problems were gone. we are so grateful for your effort to support nursing mother to give healthy homemade supplement. we encourage nursing mother who lacks of breast milk supply to take a step of faith making this healthy homemade formula recipe to their baby smilies/smiley.gif again thank you from the bottom of our heart....
liquid whey substitute
written by Cristina, Jan 11 2013
My 8 week old daughter has tested positive for a milk protein allergy (whey and casein). I have decided to make her the liver based formula; however, it calls for liquid whey. I am uncomfortable giving her that due to her allergy. Is there any substitute for this, or can I just leave it out?

Thank you,
Cristina
wantwhatyougot@gmail.com
Reply to Hannah
written by tjboyd, Jan 10 2013
You might want to check http://www.westonaprice.org/ch...owing-baby if you haven't already.
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written by April, Jan 09 2013
I have a 1 year old. I am in the process of switching from formula (baby only organic lactose free) to goat milk (Meyenberg goat milk powder). Once I make the switch, I am concerned with the low iron levels. What supplements should I use? I seen that an egg yolk (cooked) is a good substitute, but how many times a week? Also, I see that the powdered form of Meyenberg goat milk has folic acid added to it, but what if I also use the refrigerated version which does not have added FA? Can I switch back and forth, they are the same brand and same thing? I am a busy mom and do not have time to make home made formula.
missing ingredients
written by Hannah Carpenter, Dec 28 2012
I have been giving my baby the formula for the past 7 months, and love it. He is almost a year old, and will be switching to plain raw milk soon. I have a lot of certain ingredients for the formula, and only a little of some... my question is: should I make the formula with only certain ingredients until I run out of all of them? Or will it hurt him if it's not all in there? I don't know if certain ingredients work with the others, or if it'll benefit him to just receive a few of the ingredients instead of none. Does this make sense? Please let me know what you think... THanks!
Formula tweaking for toddler?
written by Megan Stripe, Dec 03 2012
Hi all,
My son is fed via g-tube in his stomach. He has been getting this formula since he was 5 months old and my breast milk alone was not enough to feed him. He is now 13 months old and does not get fed anything orally except for pureed fruits and vegetables. I'm concerned that the nutrition of the formula may not be enough since he's not getting meat, cheeese, other dairy, etc. Does anyone have experience with this? Should i add more oils to the formula? Add raw egg yolk? Add more bifido and cod liver oil?
If you could, please e-mail me at megstripe@gmail.com- thank you so much!
Extra Lactose
written by Melanie A., Nov 21 2012
My daughter is 3 months old and has been on the raw milk formula since she was about 6 weeks old and has done very well with it. I love this formula but she seems to have somewhat of an intolerance with the addition of the extra lactose, as it gives her a lot of gas and makes her fussy and uncomfortable. I know having the extra lactose is important so can anyone recommend a good substitute for this? Thank you so much for your help.
Pottenger's Cats
written by Moddy, Nov 08 2012
Regarding the anetheist's question:
"My question is, could you point out to me publications researching this topic, the influence of nutrition on the related anatomy and physiology of childbirth, links between nutrition and problems with deliveries.
A: I wish I could point out research that looks at diet and the resulting anatomy--isn't is shameful that nothing has been done since Dr. Price?"

There actually is some research done on this issue, although not on human's. I would recommend reading Pottenger's Cats, about a study of several generations of domestic cats raised on two seperate diets - cooked meat, like we feed our pets commonly, and raw meat, and following both how subsequent generations' health declined, and how many generations it took on the healthy diet for them to regain the health of their ancestors. Among other things, difficulty in labor and malformed skeletons, including pelvises, were found in cats born to parents on deficient diets.
Questions about baby formula
written by angela martin , Sep 19 2012
At what age do you recommend babies coming off of the formula and transitioning to raw milk? Or is there an alternative recipe for babies over 1 year?
Thank you so much!
Angela Martin
Reply to Krissy & Anita
written by tjboyd, Sep 18 2012
The Healthy Baby issue is posted here and has a lot of information - http://www.westonaprice.org/jo...ummer-2005
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written by Anita Machado, Sep 16 2012
Hi,

I would like to get your article on Healthy Baby Issue from the Foundation. Also, I would like the link for "infant feeding". I have a 7 mo old and have only fed him banana and egg yolk so far. However, he wakes up every 2 hours at night and I want to increase his protein. Perhaps the pureed liver. Any other foods I could feed him now?
Thank you,
Anita Machado
Violating the WHO Code and alternatives for supplementation
written by Kristine, Sep 16 2012
There are risks associated with artificial feeding which need to be mitigated regardless of what you use. Article 6.5 of the WHO Code on the Marketing of Breastmilk Substitutes states: "Feeding with infant formula, whether manufactured or home-prepared, should be demonstrated only by health workers, or other community workers if necessary; and only to the mothers or family members who need to use it; and the information given should include a clear explanation of the hazards of improper use." http://www.who.int/nutrition/p...nglish.pdf

I realize many mothers find they need to supplement for some reason. Getting good help from a registered lactation consultant or breastfeeding peer councilor who supports breastfeeding and can provide assistance with optimizing milk supply is the first step and one that is often ignored.
Secondly, formula (homemade or otherwise)is only the 4th option for supplementation. Human milk is the biologically and physiologically normal food for human infants.It is not "best" or "optimal", it is normal. First choice is the the mother's own milk at the breast. Second choice is the mother's own milk fed another way. Third choice is another mother's milk and this choice is also often overlooked. Donor human milk is available. Although it is sometimes hard to get from a milk bank, that is an option. And if not, there is a well established milk sharing network where families can connect with donors:http://www.hm4hb.net/
Only after all of these options have been exhausted does any kind of formula come into play. And then it is paramount that proper and safe handling is taught to mitigate the risks.
Egg Yolk question...
written by Krissy Holmes, Sep 16 2012
Hello,
I am wondering if I should be giving my 6 month old raw egg yolks or boiled? Thanks!

Krissy
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written by Anne Ball, Aug 15 2012
I have been using the home-made cow's milk formula for several months, but recently have had trouble with the formula separating and/or curdling. It then clogs the nipple and makes feeding difficult. What am I doing wrong? The raw milk is 7 days old..is it not fresh enough? Is it possible to warm the lactose and gelatin too much?
I use baby's only organic milk based formula need to know how to supplement ara!!
written by Cara, Aug 10 2012
I am doing cod liver oil for the supplementation of dha but what can I use for ara? I can't afford the homemade ingriedients and my baby has been getting breast milk up until just recently. Now I need to supplement the dha and ara that isn't in the formula. He is 10 months and is almost 20lbs!
desiccated liver
written by Diane Tantimonaco, Aug 03 2012
Is desiccated liver appropriate or is raw liver necessary. This is for 2.5 month twins. Thanks!
RN & Mom
written by C, Jul 29 2012
Please help. Very healthy 6 mo old,was on all breast milk and 1 egg yolk/daily. Forced to wen- doing slow slowly and made homemade formula exactly. baby developed scarry rash all over- everywhere. What do I do now? Most likely culprits?
baby's only organic formula concern
written by Angela Esparza, Jul 26 2012
Hi

I live in Mexico, I would love to make theraw milk formula for my twins. But unfortunatelly apart from the coconut oil, I can not get any of the ingredients.
The actually do sell babys only organic formula here in Mexico.
But reading the ingredients I saw that the first one is brown rice syrup!! I was surprised by this. How can syrup as the first ingredient make a "safe formula"???
Currently, is babys only organic formula still the "best" option when it comes to formulas?
Rash
written by sofi, Jul 05 2012
Hello my daughter got a rash on the arms. Can someone tell me what I should leave out from the formula?
and my other question is. Is it suppose to smell like egg or did I do something wrong?
can you please also tell me how to retrieve the answers to these questions?
Thank you
baby formula smell
written by sofi, Jul 04 2012
Is the formula suppose to smell or am I doing something wrong?
Formula set up like runny yogurt! HELP!
written by Jenn, Jun 28 2012
I made one batch and it was fine. The second one, overnight, turned into the consistency of runny yogurt. What did I do wrong? Can I still use this? Help, please!
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written by Cindy Harris, Jun 27 2012
I think that I am way behind in the world of tech. Can you please tell me how to view responses to comments made on this page?
Thanks
specific information about the cream?
written by leslie, Jun 22 2012
the ingredients just say good quality cream...i'm not sure what brand i should buy. help!
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written by Danielle Rayoum, Jun 21 2012
Hi, my son will not take the goats milk formula. I found out by process of elimination that he doesn't like the chicken liver. He is 10 months old and is still primarily breastfed. I have to supplement 5-10 oz of goats milk each day. Can I replace putting the liver with anything?
Modifying concentration for fortifying purposes
written by Mindy, Apr 24 2012
My infant just underwent major heart surgery. His heart is burning extra calories and it is essential to his survival that he gain atleast 8oz each week until his next surgery in 4 months. Hospital wants me to add 2 tsp of formula to every 3oz of breast milk. Is there a way to modify the concentration of the raw milk formula to acheive this?
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written by Halima, Apr 23 2012
HI,

My sister in laws children all have severe exzema and the 1 year old and 3 year old are still on Neocate. When I read the list of ingredients they scared me and apart from the internal effects of using this formula long term his front teeth are severely decayed and have to be removed. I really wanted to offer some alternative before discussing it with their mother. Please repond
Electrolytes Concern Regarding WAP Baby Formula
written by Terry, Apr 16 2012
Hello,

I recommended the WAP milk based baby formula to my sister for her son. He has been a very happy, healthy, and easy going baby. I watch him a couple times a week, and I witnessed the transformation as he switched from store bought formula to WAP. When my sister took her son for a check up the doctor wanted to know what my sister was feeding the baby. She told him the WAP recipe. She received an email from her doctor which said that he reviewed the WAP formula with a nutritionist, and believes that she should stop the WAP formula immediately and return to store formulas, because the WAP formula contains too many electrolytes and will damage his kidneys. My nephew's father insisted the doctor was correct, and they switched the baby back to store bought formula. My nephew is now crying all the time, not content, and his bowel movements have changed to a green brown (it was a yellow on WAP, which was the color of my daughters bowel movements when she was breastfed). Can anyone provide more info on the electrolyte scare?

Thank you!
appropriate for elderly person on thickened liquids
written by Jennie, Mar 08 2012
I was wondering if the baby formula recipe would be appropriate to give to an elderly person who can only consume thickened liquids.
concerned about kidneys on this formula
written by Jennifer L Smith, Feb 05 2012
My 6 month old is on the homemade cows formula. I add some 1/2tbs maple syrup and 1/2tbs blackstrap molasses b/c he originally had problems with having bms. Anyway, he has not been having as many wet diapers as he should (can go 10 hours and diaper is barely wet) but isn't showing any other signs of dehyrdation. A concern that has been brought up on several sites is that the homemade formula is taxing on the baby's kidneys and can result in dehydration and kidney problems later in life. I would not give any heed to these warnings except that he isn't urinating as much as he should. I would love some advice and information to help contradict the kidney concerns.
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written by amy, Jan 19 2012
Can you amke suggestions with how to travel while baby is on the weston price formula? I know I can bring a few bottles on the plane but what if you are traveling for a week? Please advise.
Fontier brand?
written by Stephanie, Jan 06 2012
Is there a reason Frontier brand nutritional yeast is recommended? I bought Innovative KAL Quality Nutritional Yeast Flakes, would this work?
Thank you, Stephanie
cow's milk or goat's milk?
written by Kendra Krieg, Jan 04 2012
My 5 month old daughter is currently on the Baby's Only Organic Lactose Free formula and has had constipation issues for quite a while. To be honest, I'm not quite sure she is lactose intolerant-we switched her from the regular milk based Baby's Only formula to the Lactose when she became constipated on that as well. I am wondering if I should start her on your raw cow's milk or the raw goat's milk formula?
Extra Whey
written by Claire, Dec 06 2011
As I am unable to breastfeed I have been using the cow's milk formula for my 3 month old son for about 2 weeks. He loves the formula and so far has done very well on it - it has meant so much and I am SO pleased to have a healthy option to feed him. The first few days I was making the formula I had misread the ingredient quantities and was using 1/2 cup of whey rather than the 1/4 cup listed. The transition from powdered formula went well and his bowel movements were excellent. However after I realized and corrected my mistake with the whey, his stools have become very hard. He is still regular, but he passes hard pellets instead. I have added a little more water to the formula but with no luck. Is there any danger in going back to the 1/2 cup whey - ie, can he have too much whey, or can an excess cause any problems I'm not aware of? Thank you for the formula and thank you for your help! Claire (Victoria, Australia)
Reply to Craig
written by tjboyd, Nov 18 2011
If baby is reacting to the cows milk formula, the next step is to try the goat milk formula, and then the liver formula. Don't be afraid of the liver formula, it has saved the lives of a few babies. (Answer from Sally)
Baby spitting out homemade formula and smells acidic
written by Craig B, Nov 18 2011
Please help. Unfortunately my wife had several severe breast infections and had to stop breast feeding. We then moved our 4 month old son to the WAP homemade formula but he is spitting small chunks out and it smells very acidic. I see this was also mentioned in a post by a lady below (but no response). WOuld love a response. Kind Regards. Craig

spitting up
written by Jennifer, Mar 07 2011
I just started my baby on the raw goats milk formula.(4 weeks old) I am breastfeeding her but don't have an adequate milk supply.(This is number 7 and I have never had this problem).So far I have only needed to supplement with 4 ounces of the formula a day.Everytime I give her the formula she spits up a bit of solid curds and her breath smells very acidic. (like throw up) She never had this when I was giving her the Baby's Own formula.Does anyone else have this problem? is this sour smell something I just need to live with for the sake of my baby getting a good and healthy supplement?

Reply to Aileen from Sally
written by tjboyd, Oct 24 2011
Try leaving out the yeast and possibly the gelatin. You may also need to leave out the cod liver oil. Hopefully this will work.
Reply to Katie from Sally
written by tjboyd, Oct 24 2011
Yes, if BPA-free bottles are available, this should be fine. The formula should be cooled before being put into the plastic bottles.
Glass Bottles
written by katie kimsey, Oct 10 2011
I just started my 2 mo old son on the goat milk formula and he loves it. Is there a specific reason to use only glass bottles and jars? Would the formula still be good if placed in BPA free plastic bottles and refrigerated?
Glass Bottles
written by katie kimsey, Oct 10 2011
Is there a specific reason to use only glass bottles and jars? Would the formula still be good if placed in BPA free plastic bottles and refrigerated?
VOMITING
written by Aileen, Aug 14 2011
I'm getting ready to go back to work so I want to start my 5 month old on this homemade formula, I made a fresh batch yesterday and he VOMITED. I have followed the recipe, so I know I am making it right. I'm currently nursing and supplement with Organic Baby's Only Dairy Formula (which he loves because it taste delicious) so I know he doesn't have any dairy allergies. What can be going wrong? Please HELP!
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written by Megan, Jul 01 2011
Hi there. I have been giving my 6 month old daughter the raw cows milk formula before bed as I do not produce enough milk to sustain her through the night. When she gets the formula, her urine smells really really bad and stinks up her entire room. Could it be e gelatin? She is fine with the formula, but I'm not sure why this is happening with her urine. We have not introduced any different solids than she was already having either.
Thanks!
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written by Jen, Jul 01 2011
My 6 month old has been on the raw milk formula (cow) for 3 months. He spits up a lot! Recently I was low on raw milk, out of yogurt, and out of whey. I left the whey out of the formula for 2 days, until I received my raw milk delivery. During this time he did not spit up at all. Is it safe to leave the whey out of this formula to avoid the constant spitting up? I use all other ingredients, including those listed as optional. Thanks.
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written by Nikki, Jun 28 2011
Hi there,
So far my baby is a whole foods baby & at 11 months, has had only breast milk, no formula. I'm a working mom & notice I am not pumping as much any more for him during the day. I am wondering at 11 months can I give him raw milk? Or should I make the formula you suggest? I have not given him codliver oil yet, he has been getting that through my milk. I just started him on meats (oops, I feel awful - I'd been giving him pureed vegetables since 6 months) he just stared eating banana's & strawberries. I will try the egg yolk w/sea salt this week.
Do you think I could switch him over to raw milk, well mix it with the breast milk I am able to pump during the day?
Can't wait to hear from you.
Thanks for all you do!
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written by Elena, May 15 2011
Need a little help here; I have been making formula for about 4 months now, and every now and then I have the same problem, the formula looks grainy, and when I go to gently warm it up it curdles. Why? Is there a problem with the whey or the temp. of the water I heat up the gelatin in?
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written by Darillyn Starr, Apr 25 2011
I am an adoptive mother of six, the youngest of whom is nearly 16. I nursed all of them, at least for a while. My third through sixth children self-weaned, three at about two years and the other at four years. My kids came with a wide variety of challenges, which required me to learn a great deal about breastfeeding and various formulas. My fourth child, Julia, provided me with the biggest challenge; getting a 9 pound six month old, who had been fed through a gastrostomy, feeding totally by mouth and catching up on her growth and development.

I first used raw goat milk with Julia. Because she was older, I did not make a formula out of the milk, but I did make sure that she got other foods and liquids throughout the day. For the first two months or so, I was trying to get her to catch up on her weight, so I figured a way to get her a little more fat from the goat milk. Although goat milk does not separate like cow's milk does, if you let it sit in a glass bottle overnight and hold it up to the light, you can see that the top part is somewhat richer than the bottom part. I started putting it into a quart bottle with a small spout and propping it upside down in the fridge overnight. In the morning, I would hold it over a bowl, open the lid and let out about a cup of the thinner milk before turning it right side up and shaking it.

My son, Joseph, whom I got at 15 days, got a formula based on raw goat's milk, in addition to my milk. He didn't tolerate cow's milk formulas, and was on soy formula when I got him. I have lots of reservations about soy formulas. In addition to those shared on this site, I am also allergic to soy. I used the Lact-Aid to supplement at the breast, so whatever formula I used in it was on my skin several hours a day. Soy burned my skin badly. I would have loved to get the products available here, for adding to the goat's milk. I just had to do the best I could to provide the nutrients he needed, but he did extremely well on roughly equal amounts of breast milk and formula. When he was about eight months old, I started decreasing the amount of water and lactose I added so that he was being supplemented with unaltered goat's milk by about eleven months.

I was glad to see the Lact-Aid discussed on the FAQ and suggestions given for using these formulas in it. Most adoptive mothers who just start nursing on demand with the Lact-Aid will produce a significant amount of breast milk, from the suckling alone. I wish more mothers who have trouble producing enough milk to totally sustain their babies would use the Lact-Aid. A mother who gave birth to her baby and needs to supplement can use the Lact-Aid on a regular basis, as well as an adoptive mother can, although I haven't heard of many who have done so. That way, the baby still gets the benefits of human milk, along with whatever supplement is needed, while all suckling is done at the breast. The Lact-Aid tube is very tiny and there are some things that won't go through it but, generally, if you strain the formula through a very fine strainer, it will be fine. I think everything in the goat milk formula would go through but the chicken liver which, perhaps, could be fed with a spoon. To avoid having the whey curdle the milk, it could be fed separately in a Lact-Aid. Where a baby is getting a significant amount of breast milk, along with the formula, there is a little more margin for error than if it is the only thing the baby is getting.

Darillyn Starr
noelani54@hotmail.com
about the raw cow milk
written by Nicole, Apr 09 2011
I live in canada, and it has been a BIG challenge to find raw milk. Farmers are very reluctant to sell it because of regulations...can I use organic homongenized cow milk, or is this a no no. My son is a year old, I am still breastfeeding, but would like to offer him just a bit more milk. He's very tiny and did not do well on any formula. Please any advice.smilies/smiley.gif
spitting up
written by Jennifer, Mar 07 2011
I just started my baby on the raw goats milk formula.(4 weeks old) I am breastfeeding her but don't have an adequate milk supply.(This is number 7 and I have never had this problem).So far I have only needed to supplement with 4 ounces of the formula a day.Everytime I give her the formula she spits up a bit of solid curds and her breath smells very acidic. (like throw up) She never had this when I was giving her the Baby's Own formula.Does anyone else have this problem? is this sour smell something I just need to live with for the sake of my baby getting a good and healthy supplement?
FAQ-Homemade Baby Formula
written by Kristina Gillinghm, Feb 25 2011
Would like to get the 'Healthy Baby Issue' and 'Heart Disease Issue' and would like to see the other Issues available
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written by Judy, Jan 11 2011
From my understanding Green Pasture's no longer make the fermented cod liver oil with the sea salt or salty cod. The formula calls for salty cod. If I purchase fermented cod liver oil can I add sea salt or celtic sea salt and what amount do I add to the 8oz bottle of oil.
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written by sujatha, Nov 30 2010
Is it safe to use baby'only organic dairy formula for my 2 months old baby. The pack says it is 'Toddler Formula'
Please help me
boil raw milk
written by brags, Nov 23 2010
hi there
is it ok if i boil the raw milk before making the formula??
reflux
written by britt, Nov 08 2010
My 8 week old has what we were told is acid reflux. She is on 2 medications plus we are giving her the homeopathic gripe water, Colic Calm. She still has not gotten any better. She is drinking Simiiac Alimentum because we thought it might be a milk allergy. Should I try the cows milk formula or go straight to the goats milk? Maybe its not reflux?
Once you've warmed the formula, how long can you keep it for?
written by Julie, Nov 06 2010
Hi,
can anyone help answer this question..once you've warmed the home made formula, how long can you keep it for if baby doesn't drink it all?
Thank you!!
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written by lhiez, Oct 02 2010
Nicole,
I have similar concern when I had my first Son...Variety of Pediatricians recommended me to try almost everything(change of diet or prescription)but got no positive results from all of it. My Son suffered severe rashes all over his body and face,aside from all the discomfort of itch. Until I was advice by a relative to consult with an Allergologist/Immunologist. The right medicine and diet prescribed worked tremendously on my baby's condition.What a total relief from worries as well as relief from all the discomfort my baby suffered. The medicine and recommended diet seriously worked. You can check with specialist like I mentioned and I hope your baby gets the right help possible.
Iron
written by Erin, Sep 28 2010
I want to put my 9 month old on the liver formula, but am concerned about the high amount of iron. I have read that iron competes with zinc and that they are both vital to infant brain development. Is the amount of iron safe for an infant?
If I only need 8oz formula daily...
written by Liz, Aug 02 2010
Hi!
I see that I should make the formula fresh daily and that it shouldn't be frozen. I am breastfeeding my 4 month old, but bc of a recent pregnancy then miscarriage, my lacation dwindled and is now coming back. SO, I just need maybe 1, maybe 2 bottles per day and hopefully less in the near future. Do I make less of the cow milk formula daily or will that mess up the proportions of the ingredients? Also, any suggestions on increasing my breastmilk supply? Thank you!
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written by Jane Sherwood, Jun 05 2010
Lei,
Nutramigen contains corn, so that could be a culprit.
Nicole
written by Jane Sherwood, Jun 05 2010
I have a 6 year old with many allergies and intolerances (bf for over 2 years) so I feel your pain!

MountainRoseHerbs.com has an organic acerola powder with tapioca filler, not corn.

My DS really improved on the Pharmax human strain probiotics.
RockwellNutrition.com

The Pharmax Neonate is dairy protein free (unlike the Natren LifeStart which has milk powder) but it does have lactose. Usually it's the milk protein that provokes the allergy. All other Pharmax versions are totally milk/soy/corn etc. free they are grown on agar.

Ditto high vitamin butter oil, it has the milk protein removed. Unless he has been tested IgE allergic to dairy, these are worth a trial.

I wouldn't necessarily conclude that b/c you had problems breastfeeding it was the lactose in bm to blame. Usually it's the food proteins in your milk that a sensitive babe reacts to. I had to eliminate several foods while bf'ing.

There is some evidence that immune complexes due to food allergies in the nursing mother are passed on to and acted upon by the immune system of the breastfeeding child. smilies/sad.gif The sealing of the gut in the baby is important esp. the younger they are to stop the reactive cycle. Both bifidobacteria probiotics and also glutamine, in bone broths or supplements, are important.

You could do IgG food "intolerance" testing, which can be a finger stick, otherwise the IgE, the classic true allergy reaction, is a traditional blood draw.

And if you cannot find an answer quickly, I would do a short trial of the commercial hydrolyzed formula just to see if you can get the reactions to calm down, to baseline, then start again with testing. You will have to look for corn free formula though, I know that's a problem with some but not sure which ones (Nutramigen, Alimentum, etc.)

I'm not sure GAPS is the total answer, it wasn't for my DS. It is also high in food chemicals which, unfortunately, is another catagory that can cause GI reactions, and is a major key to my DS's food intolerances. Food chemical intolerance (salicylates, amines, oxalates) does not involve the immune system, but instead the detox pathways which run on nutrients, particularly the methylation and sulfation pathways. They also can be clogged by toxic load of the body (metals, etc).

C'mon over to Mothering.com/discussions for some support... in the Allergies and the Traditional Foods forum there are lots of mamas like us focused on natural healing for these most modern diseases. We'd love to see you there and say hello to me (JaneS).
Re: Allergies??
written by Nicole, May 24 2010
We too, are having the same severe allergic reactions with my 9 month old as you mention, John. Quite a different experience than we had with our now 3 year old twins who thrived phenomenally with the homemade baby formula. They grew beautifully plump and clear skinned and perfectly well-natured. Now my youngest seems to be sensitive to nearly EVERYTHING I introduce him to. The cow's milk formula made to exact specifications (with the exception of the CLO which he has reacted with severe rash to from the beginning) he appeared to be doing very well except for pesky eczema(which we attributed to detergents and other environmental factors) for nearly 5 months. When I tried to introduce egg yolk, he projectile vomited and had skin rash almost immediately. Same scenario with beef liver. This past week, the cow's milk formula is no longer being tolerated without severe full body rash and intolerable itching. He's losing his always cheery disposition and peaceful sleep. After giving the same recipe a shot with goat milk instead (to no avail), as a last resort I moved him to the meat based formula and cut out the lactose, cream and whey to remove the dairy allergen. He almost instantly began to improve (or so I thought) though then he began to starve and lose weight within a few days. Then even in my next batch of broth, his allergic reaction again flared up which brought me to a pretty confident conclusion that he is severely allergic to corn which is an unavoidable ingredient in the acerola powder as maltodextrin and a possible explanation for his reaction to the broth of chicken's diet of corn during winter months as a culprit. Even though free range chicken from our farmer. The variables are many and complex and this emotional and physical roller coaster has got us at our wits end! I don't know how to nourish him safely! And I have no doctor to turn to that won't just automatically recommend a dreaded commercial brand of formula or prescription made in a lab. I would love to hear more from this circle on the topic of these seemingly more common allergies. I understand the nature of their origins and how my pregnacy and pre-pregnancy diet and lifestyle most likely contributed to his plight, but I can't undo what is done and I need an option for how to help my baby recover now. I also am open to GAPS and have begun that regimen with my older children but I can not put my 9-month old on such a restrictive diet when he is already in need of more nourishment and doesn't seem to improve on straight homemade fat and gelatin rich broth. I have an allergy appointment on the calendar for him where they may be able to determine other allergies which could have developed such as cocoanut oil? olive oil? maybe even just lactose which could account for why he also had trouble the 4 months that I nursed? I am so grateful that my twins did well with this homemade formula recipe and I still promote it to everyone and anyone that I can, but for my youngest, it's not an answer to his allergies. Would love insight and assistance from my favorite women Sally and Mary. Warmest Regards ~Nicole Geisinger
ngeisinger@sbcglobal.net
severe Eczema on my 11 month old daughter
written by Lei, May 18 2010
Hi. I am a mom of an 11 month old daughter who has a bad case of eczema. She already switched to Soy based infant formula, even on Nutramigen but that didn't help as well. I am curious on trying goat's milk for her, but does it have to be home made? Thank yoU!
Allergies?
written by John, May 16 2010
Hi. Thank you for the great website and great info. I have a question about my little guy.
I have an 11 month old boy who is severely allergic/cannot tolerate the majority of a long list of foods we have tried to introduce, including:
cow and goat milk and yogurt, cod liver oil (haven't tried the fermented one yet), eggs, nuts, pears, raw apples, flax seed oil etc.
He still mostly eats amino acid formula and soy formula. He breast fed exclusively til 7 months, but he also had severe allergies through the breast milk his whole colicky life. He seems to be also allergic to something in the formulas.
What foods would you recommend we start trying and what order? We're going to try cutting out the formula and introducing some more foods one at a time, but want to be sure he's getting enough nutrition while we're experimenting.
I was going to try egg yolks then the liver next.

Best,
John
runny bowel movements.
written by Stephanie, May 02 2010
I switched my 4 1/2 month old daughter to the raw milk formula 5 days ago. Now she seems to have 4-6 very runny and liquidy BM's a day. When she was on formula I always felt that she was a bit constipated, but this seems a bit extreme. Is this just a transition thing? How long should I let her adjust? Otherwise she is loving the formula and eating heartily. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.
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written by Crystal, Apr 24 2010
If I substitute Orangic Milk for Raw milk in the formula, what woould I have to add to make up for some of the nutrients I am missing out on in the Raw milk?
Curdling
written by Wendy, Feb 23 2010
Brad - It's so interesting that you wrote this. Just this morning I bought raw goat's milk to try in place of the pasteurized goat's milk I've been using to make the Weston Price formula for the last five months. I haven't made up the formula yet but I'm anxious to see what happens when I do. Would you let me know if you can figure out why it is curdling? This seems peculiar and disconcerting. Thank you. Wendy: wolfberry8@comcast.net
Curdling
written by Brad D, Feb 22 2010
I have been making the goatmilk formula with pasturized goatmilk until this week and our daughter is doing quite well. I found a good source of raw goat milk and am now using that to make her formula. Every time I warm a bottle of it to room temp, it curdles. The milk is very fresh and hygenic. How do I avoid this and do you have any idea what is causing it. Can I blend it and feed it to her still?
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written by Cleoka Lucas, Jan 01 2009
I am interested in making the goat milk formula for my 4 month old. I am finding it difficult to find raw cream. Is this absolutley essential in the formula? Also where can I find yoghurt or kefir to make whey. Can this be purchased in a whole foods market?

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