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The discovery of vitamin K was worthy of the prestigious Nobel Prize in medicine. In 1943 Carl Peter Henrik Dam, for his discovery of vitamin K, shared this honor with Edward A. Doisy, for his discovery of its chemical structure.
In 1929 Dam had found that chicks fed a cholesterol-free diet developed a bleeding disorder, not remedied by cholesterol. (He cured them by giving them either green leaves or hog liver.) Dam called it vitamin K because of the German spelling for Koagulation.
He believed that vitamin K was only involved in coagulation. In fact, at the end of his Nobel lecture, Dam stated, “It therefore seems unlikely that vitamin K as such should play any role in the prevention of caries.”1
Ironically, Dr. Weston A. Price, around the same time, had found a fat-soluble vitamin that he referred to as activator X, which not only helped prevent and heal caries, but also helped shape the very faces of the isolated peoples he studied. He felt it was such an important nutrient that in 1945 he added a new chapter to his book, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration.2
THE K FAMILY
Vitamin K comes in several forms:
- Vitamin K1 ( phylloquinone) is found in plants and some animal sources; it is involved in coagulation.
- Vitamin K2 has side chains that contain from four to thirteen “isoprenoids,” represented as MK-4 to MK-13. MK means menaquinone; the side chains are referred to as short- and long-chain menaquinones (MKs). Vitamin K2 MK-5 through MK-13 are forms produced by bacterial synthesis.
- Vitamin K2 MK-4 is Dr. Price’s activator X and is unique, in that it is the only form that is not the product of bacterial synthesis, but comes from animal sources. (A synthetic MK-4 is made from tobacco or geranium leaves.)
- Vitamin K3 (menadione) is synthetic and water-soluble, and it has no side chain. The FDA banned its use for human consumption because of its high toxicity—although it still is allowed in animal feed, usually as menadione sodium bisulfate3 (a good reason to eat grass-fed animal products).
ACTIVATOR X
Dr. Price’s Activator X is vitamin K2 MK- 4. Dr. Price’s work in nutrition may be more valuable to us today, as it is a source to refer to when the noise of synthetic supplementation drowns out the wisdom of our ancestors—the knowledge that all health starts with nutrient-dense, whole foods. As Price stated, “People of the past obtained a substance that modern generations do not have.” Yet increasingly we are seeing statements in published papers that “it is unlikely that MK-4 is an important dietary source of vitamin K in food supplies.” Such assertions, often by those with ties to the supplement industry, have led us to the defense of this key nutrient in food.
In his studies, Price found a fat-soluble vitamin he called Activator X. He believed it was a missing nutrient in our modern diet and that its absence could explain many of our modern diseases. He was able to heal caries, reduce oral bacteria and cure other degenerative maladies in his patients by giving butter oil, rich in activator X, along with cod liver oil. (Cod liver alone did not work as well.)
Price wrote: “(a) [Activator X] plays an essential role in the maximum utilization of body-building minerals and tissue components; (b) its presence can be demonstrated readily in the butterfat of milk of mammals, the eggs of fishes and the organs and fats of animals; (c) it has been found in highest concentration in the milk of several species, varying with the nutrition of the animal; and (d) it is synthesized by the mammary glands and plays an important role in infant growth and also in reproduction.”2
Price found higher levels of vitamin K2 MK-4 in the milk of cows eating rapidly growing green grass. Vitamin K2 MK-4 is concentrated in butter and Price found he could concentrate the amounts further by using centrifugal force in the process, which he called high-vitamin butter oil. He found that the content of vitamin K2 MK-4 varied with the species of the cow, the time of year and the quality of what the cows ate. (See Table 1.)
Note that butter and concentrated butter products contain 100 percent MK-4. (See Table 2.) There are no bacterial MKs in these products. This is the fat in nature designed for the growth and nourishment of all mammals.
For thousands of years our ancestors had their vitamin K needs met by eating certain animal foods, foods deemed particularly important for having healthy children.
DEFICIENCY IS PREVALENT
There are many reasons for the modern, widespread deficiency of vitamin K2 MK-4: our aversion to eating offal, animals raised eating anything other than grass, factory farms, high antibiotic use in animal feeds and in humans, animals fed GMO corn and soy, soil depletion, glyphosate, processed foods and dysfunction of the gut. If you are taking a statin or blood thinner, you should know that these drugs create a deficiency in vitamin K2. Our elderly ancestors ate more of this nutrient as they aged.
How can you tell whether you are deficient in vitamin K2? Vitamin K2 MK-4 is important for calcium homeostasis, so if you have osteoporosis, cardiovascular or coronary disease, kidney disorders, diabetes or cancer, it may be due to a deficiency of this nutrient. Tooth decay is another sign of vitamin K2 deficiency. Children brought up on diets lacking in K2 MK-4, starting in the womb, tend to have narrow faces and crowded and crooked teeth.
Cheese contains vitamin K2 MK-4 as well as longer-chain MKs. Cheese is made by adding different bacterial cultures to milk, each one producing a different effect. Typically the MKs found in cheese from the greatest amounts to the lowest amounts are MK-9, MK-4, MK-8, MK-10 and MK-7. Some cheeses, such as mozzarella or comte, have no short or long MKs. Some cheese aged for ninety to one hundred eighty days may only have vitamin K2 MK-4. Not all fermentation processes or bacteria make long-chain MKs.
A study testing eighty-four different foods found that most contain small amounts of vi tamin K2 MK-4. Rarely do longer-chain MKs exist in the meat of chicken, beef or pork. In offal small to moderate amounts of MK-6 to MK-10 have been detected. Fish typically have small amounts of vitamin K2 MK-4.8
Vitamin K2 MK-4 from animal foods is quickly absorbed in the body and is stored in the brain, salivary glands, testes, sternum, face, pancreas, eyes, kidneys, bones, arteries, veins and other tissues, where it is utilized for activating vitamin K-dependent proteins (VKDP) and possibly for other, as yet unidentified, functions.9
Unlike MK-4, MK-7 is not stored in any organs.
VITAMIN K1 VERSUS VITAMIN K2
There are many forms of vitamin K, and the inclination of articles and studies to refer to all Ks using the term vitamin K or K2 has led, incorrectly, to the assumption that all Ks are similar in origin and function. They are not.
Many studies state that the main source of vitamin K2 MK-4 is from K1, which we get from eating green leafy vegetables or vegetable oils, but our bodies absorb only miniscule amounts— less than 10 percent—of K1 from plant foods, and our MK-4 needs are greater than anything we could convert from vitamin K1.10
In 1964, Carl Martius, using pigeons, chickens and rats, was the first to state that MK-4 was made from K1 and he was right—when you are using pigeons, chickens and rats. These animals have gizzards and extra-large, large intestines that can convert K1 to vitamin K2 MK-4.11,12
Cows, sheep, pigs, chickens and other animals can also make the conversion from K1 to MK-4, but humans, higher up on the food chain, have a digestive system adapted to having our vitamin K2 MK-4 needs met predominantly from eating grass-fed or pastured animals and products made from them. Humans are not fermentative beings. (And of course, many ancestral cultures would not have access to greens throughout the entire year and would have obtained their fat-soluble vitamins from animal foods.)
Another theory is that we can meet all our vitamin K2 MK-4 needs from bacterial synthesis in the gut, but this premise is not sustained by the evidence. Our gut bacteria can make short- and long- chain MKs (for their own use), but they do not produce vitamin K2 MK-4.13,14,15
The bioavailability of bacterial MKs is poor because they are tightly bound to the bacterial cytoplasmic membrane, and the largest pool is present in the colon, which lacks bile salts for their solubilization.
Natto, a fermented soy product, is the only food with high amounts of vitamin K2 MK-7—it is an anomaly. It originates from the eastern part of Japan but has not been in most of the world’s diet except in trace amounts. And the Japanese traditionally eat egg yolks, a source of MK-4, with natto.
Interestingly, practitioners in Japan give 45 mg of MK-4 (the synthetic form), not MK-7, to treat osteoporosis.
EVOLUTION AT WORK
In 1988, a Japanese study done by Dr. Hidekazu Hiraike divided pregnant women into two groups. Group A was asked to eat a normal diet and Group B was asked to eat a diet high in natto. Vitamins K1, K2 MK-4, MK-6 and MK-7 were found in the placentas and mothers’ blood plasma.16 (See Table 3.) Samples were taken of the placentas and umbilical cord plasma right after delivery.
Only K1 and MK-4 were found in the umbilical cord plasma, even though there were high concentrations of MK-7 available. It appeared that the placental tissues effectively blocked the passage of MK-7 while allowing MK-4 into the unborn child. High concentrations of vitamin K2 MK-4 were found in the placenta.16
MK-7 scientists say that MK-7 is more bioavailable or has a longer half-life because it remains in the blood plasma longer than MK-4. However, the Japanese natto study provides a living account of nature’s selection for the type of vitamin K2 needed for the development of the child—that is, the animal form MK-4. It’s worth hypothesizing that MK-7 may remain in the blood longer because the body has no use for it.
Some studies indicate that MK-7 from food and synthetics induces more complete carboxylation of osteocalcin, a vitamin K-dependent protein involved in bone homeostasis. One study involving menopausal women taking MK-7 as natto over one year showed reduced serum levels of uncarboxylated osteocalcin (ucOC), but the treatment had no effect on bone loss rates.17 Could MK-7 increase the carboxylation of calcium and yet lack the ability to move it into the tissues? Could this increase in carboxylation increase the calcification of the placenta or form excess osteocalcin, which does cross into the placenta, causing a decrease in the blood supply (thus less oxygen) and explain the findings of small for gestational age and other defects in the natto study?
In 1992, Dr. Hideaki Iioka found that vitamin K2 MK-4 is transported into the placenta by a carrier protein via an existing transport carrier system in the brush border membrane of the human placenta.18,19,20 Vitamins A, D and E are also carried in the blood by a carrier protein. Could this be the reason that vitamin K2 MK-4 is often not detected in the blood, because it is attached to a carrier protein? Little to no research has been done to answer these questions.
What we do know is that the traditional sacred foods for preconception and pregnancy were foods rich in MK-4, and that traditional weaning foods for babies were poultry liver and egg yolk, also great sources of vitamin K2 MK-4.
It’s important to understand that vitamin K2 MK-4 and long-chain MKs are structurally different and are derived from different sources.
Some researchers have suggested a theory of conversion from vitamin K1 MK-7 or other MKs to vitamin K2 MK-4 via the enzyme UBIAD1, which removes the longer side chains of the K vitamins to produce menadione (K3). K3 then travels to the liver for detoxification and is somehow transported in the blood or lymph by an unexplained carrier to tissues where an unknown enzyme(s) adds side chains back to K3 producing vitamin K2 MK-4.21
The question is, what happens if K3 exceeds the rate at which the enzyme can add back the side chains, as when someone is taking K3 as a supplement? Does the excess K3 cause toxicity and oxidative stress? The research is unclear.
What we do know is that K3 causes disruption or rupture of red blood cells, toxic reactions in liver cells and depletion of glutathione; it weakens the immune system and can cause allergic reactions.22 The potential for these negative effects is the reason the FDA banned K3 for human use.
The research points strongly to the conclusion that humans need to get their vitamin K2 as MK-4 from food sources. After all, we evolved eating vitamin K2 MK-4. It is already in the form that the body needs, and we don’t need to expend enzymes and energy to convert it. The organs and cells that need vitamin K2 readily absorb and utilize the MK-4 form. And finally, MK-4 is more efficient than other forms, appearing in food with other synergists and activators that work together to maintain therapeutic aspects.
It can’t be stressed enough that the type of vitamin K2 that we get in supplements is MK-7, not the type we get in food. The best way to get active and efficiently assimilated vitamin K2 is from food. This is true of all vitamins. An NIH-funded study involving twenty-seven thousand people over a six-year period found that “individuals who reported taking dietary supplements had about the same risk of dying as those who got their nutrients through food. What’s more, the mortality benefits associated with adequate intake of vitamin A, vitamin K, magnesium, zinc, and copper were limited to food consumption.”23
TAIL SIZE MATTERS
Vitamin K-dependent proteins (VKDP) are a group of proteins providing life-giving functions for the brain and body. To become bio-active they require vitamins K1 and K2 MK-4 as cofactors for the enzyme y-carboxyglutamyl carboxylase (GGCX), which transforms the glutamic acid residues (GLA) in the protein, promoting calcium-binding and inducing conformational changes so that vitamin K can be utilized by the tissues. In other words, vitamin K2 MK-4 is multifunctional.
Once GGCX is activated, vitamin K transforms into the epoxide state; then it is recycled to the quinone and hydroquinone states by vitamin K epoxide reductase (VKORC1).
In 2018, Nolan Chatron and his group used in silico (biological modeling performed on a computer) and in vitro assays for confirmation, using vitamin K1, vitamin K2 MK-4, MK-7 and K3 to give us some insight into tissue distribution and interactions toward VKORC1.24 VKORC1 was shown to bind tightly with vitamins K1 and K2 MK-4. However, MK-7 showed “shaky binding, induced by hydrophobic tail interactions with the membrane.” K3, without a tail, had no structural stabilization by the enzyme. The in vitro assays validated the in silico predictions.
All states of MK-4 exhibited stable values. K1 epoxide and quinone remained inside the VKORC1 enzyme and did not interact with the membrane, although K1 was not as stable in the hydroquinone state. MK-7 showed the highest fluctuations leading to MK-7 binding failure. In vitro MK-7 showed weak activity and was ten times lower than vitamin K1 epoxide; these results were in line with the in silico prediction. K3 in vitro had no activity. (See Figure 1.)
In conclusion, the researchers showed the ability of VKORC1 to reduce vitamins K1 and MK-4 for use in the body, but not MK-7 and K3. These findings explained the ability of VKORC1 to support VKPD activation in the liver (mainly containing phylloquinone, vitamin K1), and in extrahepatic tissues (mainly containing vitamin K2 MK-4).
These results led the researchers to ask the question: “Are long-sized hydrophobic tail menaquinones able to act as GGCX cofactors?”
The shorter MKs, K1 and MK-4, were stable, while the longer-chain MKs, such MK-7 were not able to bind well, and K3 with no tail could not bind at all. Tail length does matter!
Could it be that MK-7 remains in the blood longer because it does not bind well?
NATURE IS WISER THAN ANY HUMAN DESIGN
In 2011, we contacted the Weston A. Price Foundation. We had already been working with emu oil in Will’s practice for a few years with excellent results. The Foundation asked whether we had ever tested emu oil for vitamin K2. We had never heard of vitamin K2! The results put us on the path of a serendipitous journey.
Emu oil is a whole food with a unique synergy of nutrients; it is the highest naturally occurring source of vitamin K2 MK-4. Emu oil is an ancestral food and bush medicine of the indigenous Australians.
The beneficial properties have long been known to the Aboriginals to reduce pain and inflammation, with documentation recorded more than one hundred years ago.25,26
Just as Price found the amount of Activator X (vitamin K2 MK-4) varies with the species of cow and what it eats, these same facts apply to emus. Not all emu oils have the same benefits or characteristics. Genetics, feed, husbandry and refining are all huge components to having the most biologically active emu oil. Testing on two American emu oils detected no vitamin K2 MK-4.
Weston Price has left us a tremendous legacy: the collective knowledge of thousands of years of ancestral wisdom and instinct as a guide to maintaining bountiful, joyful health, generation after generation.
SIDEBARS
HOW MUCH VITAMIN K2 DID DR. PRICE PRESCRIBE?
How much vitamin K2 MK-4 was Dr. Price giving to his patients to heal caries and degenerative disease? In his book, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, he reports using one-half to one and one-half teaspoons per day, which translates to a range of 520 ng to 1560 ng, or 0.520 mcg to 1.560 mcg. If we assume that Price’s butter oil had ten times those amounts in his day compared to now, assuming better soils and fewer toxins in the environment, that brings us to 5.2 mcg to 15.6 mcg per day.
TESTIMONIALS ABOUT VITAMIN K2 MK-4 FROM EMU OIL
A child age six was struggling in first grade; she was having discipline problems and was having a hard time learning to read. After taking emu oil for a month she could read, and during the last teachers conference, her teacher gave her great compliments on her behavior.
A medical doctor in her late forties noticed a small cavity about a year ago. It was discolored and craterous. Recently she had a dental examination. The dentist could find no cavity and no receding gums. She attributes vitamin K2 MK-4 in emu oil for activating the vitamin K-dependent protein osteocalcin and healing the cavity.
A woman in her early seventies had undiagnosed Lyme disease for sixteen years. Her joints had all been seriously affected, and her body had so much inflammation that she was in constant pain. After taking emu oil for about five months, her inflammation was down, joint pain gone and bone density increased for the first time in years. Her doctor said, “Wow, keep doing whatever you are doing.”
A woman in her forties after surgery developed open sores on her arms and legs that itched and would not heal after nine years. After internal and topical use for two weeks of emu oil, her skin was clear.
SIDE EFFECTS OF SYNTHETIC VITAMIN K
When taking K2 MK-7 supplements, patients report allergic reactions, anxiety, insomnia and heart palpitations, which resolve when they stop taking it.
“I had to quit taking the K2 MK-7. It was causing extreme arrhythmia.”
“We tried three different brands of synthetic K2: two different MK-7s supplements and one synthetic MK-4. My wife had the same reaction to all of them, a bad skin rash, severe anxiety and heart pounding. We know it was the supplement because she didn’t change anything else.”
These experiences make it very clear: we need to get our vitamin K2 from food!
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This article appeared in Wise Traditions in Food, Farming and the Healing Arts, the quarterly journal of the Weston A. Price Foundation, Spring 2020
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Dwight Jessup says
Do you have an Emu oil that you would recommend?
Tks.
Maureen Diaz says
Dwight, you can check out Dr. Schlinsog’s produce, Walk-about Emu Oil here.
Bethany says
So should one add butter oil or emu oil to their daily intake?
Suzanne says
120ml walk about costs 50€ in Holland. High vitamin butteroil Just as much. Whsts the best choice? And what are the amounts of emu oil to take?
Peter says
So are all the articles about the benefits of natto That one finds all over the Internet, including by some well-known people, just wrong?
Scott says
Anyone have an informed reply ??
Kish says
Many supplement studies conducted by pharma, offer below therapeutic dose levels (for a reason), while most synthetic vitamin studies are conducted in house, rarely are they studied in use.
Where did we get our vitamins and minerals over millions of years of survival and evolution, before supplements were marketed?
Quality and quantity of life:
Detox + consume organic (biodynamic if av.,) -pasture raised grass fed if eggs/meat – food and clean water (Eg John Ellis (.com) or meawater.com.au, along with daily exercise and good sleep hygiene. Keep inclusion any processed foods to <10% of diet if reversing disease, including Alzheimer’s; <20% if healthy) – processed food is energetically DEAD. Spiritual practice is the capstone – whatever form you prefer.
me says
But todays food are not the same hundert years ago! Plants are optimized to grow fast and last long and look fresh, not to have many minerals and vitamins inside. Also the main source of K2 mk4 is butter and milk but todays cows are designt do deliver 20 liter and more per day!
If mk7 from natto is the key, where did the world population get it 100 years ago?
Placenta is blocking mk7 to reach the embryo, why if it is so important?
Pat Hancock says
Scott didn’t ask for a reply about supplements his comment was specifically about natto which nobody seemed to answer after the first question about it and Scott’s follow up can anyone answer about natto since yes soy is bad but when fermented takes away mostly all the components that are a concern and has been consumed for a very long time
JY says
The health benefits of natto may have nothing to do with MK-7. Rather it may be due to the enzyme nattokinase, or perhaps other nutrients in natto. (Just like how fermented foods are generally good for health, but that may not be because of MK-7)
Lilia Phelps says
I love doctor Price’s research but you’ve got a product to sell, I understand.
For anyone seeking a thorough review of MK7 this is a good source and gives you FULL PICTURE, not convinient half truths or speculations of its biological functions.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7230802/#!po=33.7209
maestrotaku says
They usted syntethic mk4 for the research… Syntethic mk4 doesnt build UP on Body… Unfair research
11C says
Is this article saying that mk7 may cause calcification instead preventing it as promoted by most?
Delanie Aguilar says
The authors of that ncbi article definitely have a product to sell… J-Oil Mills, Inc. out of Japan! They produce highly processed vegetable oils and the processed vegan brand “Violife.” The study used synthetic MK4, not the naturally occurring found in grass-fed animals. Hardly the ‘full picture’ you are claiming. If you think the research you are pointing to is unbiased, check the author’s ties. I would go with Dr. Price’s studies, encouraged by Dr. Will’s bias, long before I trust an industrialized processed food brand’s ‘research’ and bias!
11charlie says
Doesn’t the author work for an emu oil company?
Donna Ludwig says
I’m not sure if I am reading the chart correctly, but if an egg yolk is 18g, would that mean there’s 6mcg of vitamin K in a yolk?
James says
You need to review and update three values from mcg to mg.
HOW MUCH VITAMIN K2 DID DR. PRICE PRESCRIBE?
How much vitamin K2 MK-4 was Dr. Price giving to his patients to heal caries and degenerative disease? In his book, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, he reports using one-half to one and one-half teaspoons per day, which translates to a range of 520 ng to 1560 ng, or 0.520 mcg to 1.560 mcg. If we assume that Price’s butter oil had ten times those amounts in his day compared to now, assuming better soils and fewer toxins in the environment, that brings us to 5.2 mcg to 15.6 mcg per day.
Janelle L says
K1 is converted to MK-4 in humans, almost or just as well as other mammals. Blood studies have recently shown this. And Dr. Price made a point to fawn over using dark green leafy vegetables in a family diet. Getting some MK-4 may be helpful, but getting K1 from leafy vegetables is absolutely nowhere near an irrelevant waste in terms of getting enough MK-4 into the system.
Harry says
so is “5.2 mcg to 15.6 mcg” the correct dosage of K2 Mk4 daily? I take 500 mg calcium daily and D3 (5000 iu in winter months) along with mag etc. I see so much conflicting info around k2 (mk4 vs mk7) and even dosage. I decided on MK4 but even the dosage I see conflicting info, 45 mg spaced out 15 mg three times daily is what I come across most (seems to be for reversing disease) but is that high amount needed for just maintenance and getting the calcium into the bones and keeping it away from the arteries? The thought is MK4 doesn’t last as long as in the body but if MK7 gets converted to MK4 and we are to believe that MK4 gives the most benefit than does it really matter if MK7 last longer? Not judging either way just trying to make sense of the conflicting info.
Joshua says
I went down this path of the K2’s many years ago and speculated that it was the “Activator X” that Weston Price spoke of. I started out using the MK7 variant in supplemental form and at the same time I started also taking vitamin D3. I remember not long after starting to take it, I started getting severe arrhythmia’s and long story short, I was able to isolate K2 MK7 as the culprit. It took several days, maybe even a week, before the symptoms went away and it was scary. This was back maybe around 2009…. I did more research on K2 because I still believed that it was the activator X… Upon more diligent research I also came to the conclusion that K2 MK4 was indeed activator X and I purchased Peak K2 MK4 which has 15mg (not mcg) per serving (The same dosage used for Osteoporosis in Japan). I took it and had noticeably good benefits and none of the arrhythmias that I had with K2 MK7. I also found the K2 MK4 cheaper from Peter at Vitaspace and I get the same good benefits with that product. It is pretty amazing stuff honestly. Such a shame that the MK7 variant is pushed so hard. I wonder how many deaths has been caused because of it.
Barry says
Thank you for your comment, Joshua. It helped me put 2 and 2 together to realize what I had just experienced. I had not taken any vitamin D3 for over a month, and I was getting ready for a total fast day, when I thought I should take some vitamin D3 since I had not taken it for a while. Well, the D3 I had available was a combination D3 (5000IU) + Mk7 (100mcg). I took one early in the day before my fast day, and I took another later that afternoon, essentially doubling up on my usual dosage. The following day I was well into fasting and I experienced a prolonged arrhythmia while I was lying down and resting. It was very unusually long, and I concur with you, it was scary. I now know what I can attribute that to.
MC2 says
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-82724-0
Interesting read on mk4
Daniel says
Hello, Great article. But please we should try not to confuse goose liver paté with goose foie gras. You can have a 10 fold increase in K2MK4 depending on what you are pointing to. Also stray from data on Goose Foie Gras that has been soyfed and avoid sourcing from Asia as well as once again you can have another 2 fold difference.
I am so thankful for the Walkabout company as they are helping many. However, this article should remain as objective as possible. I personally believe by experience and taste, and the drastic and positive morphological changes seen in short time on lesser sources that foie gras brings about changes much faster than even the best emu oil that can be shipped worldwide. French small variety (unlike the US) corn-fed goose foie gras, and even US duck foie gras which is some what soy-fed and uses the larger variety corn work within weeks at deeper levels. The duck in general produces less of the vitamin than the goose. Emu oil is needed for many but it is slower in reversing the genetic interception. Also remember that these more spreadable, repeatable worldwide duck farm ideas are THE ONLY way to heal the worlds K2MK4 deficiency with any reality especially given the easier transport and zero extraction needs. And taste!!
A picture of a goose and duck farm and a map of American cities without such could be the front cover of the next 12 Wise traditions magazines just to show, via repetition, how important this reality is, as a cultural obstacle which must be jumped.