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Tuesday, 25 June 2013 20:10
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President’s Message

by Sally Fallon Morell

The Weston A. Price Foundation has played a major role in dispelling the many dietary myths that have influenced modern eating habits, myths about fats, oils, cholesterol, meat, eggs, raw milk and fermented foods. However, some myths about the Weston A. Price Foundation have been circulating recently, and they need to be addressed.

MYTH: WAPF ADVOCATES A HIGH-PROTEIN DIET

Many have characterized WAPF as advocating a high-protein diet, much like the Atkins diet. While we stress the need for adequate, high-quality animal protein, we have also pointed out the dangers of a diet too high in protein, which can rapidly deplete vitamin A. Traditional diets varied from 10 to 20 percent of calories as protein (See "Adventures in Macro-Nutrientland" at westonaprice.org). Twenty percent of calories as protein is the maximum, appropriate for athletes and growing teenage boys; most of us do well on a diet that has 10-15 percent of calories as protein.

The recommendation to increase protein intake using egg whites, lots of lean meat, skinless chicken breasts, skim milk or protein powders is not only dangerous, but unnecessary—getting enough protein is not an issue in the Western diet. What we tend to lack is good-quality animal fats, which help stabilize blood sugar, support numerous processes in the human body, and serve as a key source of the all-important fat-soluble activators.

The WAPF diet is not about having a great big steak every night (although if you do eat a steak, be sure to eat it with plenty of fat). Rather, we recommend consuming a small or moderate amount of high-quality animal protein with every meal—red meat (always with the fat), organ meats, poultry with the skin and fat, eggs, shellfish, fish with the skin, fish eggs, fish liver oils, and raw, whole dairy products. Gelatin-rich bone broth in a sauce, gravy, soup or stew, can be very helpful to those who have trouble digesting meat.

MYTH: WAPF ADVOCATES A LOW-CARB DIET

A corollary to the first myth is the low-carb diet, one devoid of all starchy vegetables, grain, fruits and natural sweeteners. Many have the mistaken impression that WAPF advocates a diet very low in carbohydrates.

WAPF has indeed warned about the dangers of a diet high in refined carbohydrates; however, that does not mean that we need to drastically cut
back on natural carbohydrate foods. Many of the cultures Dr. Price studied consumed fairly high levels of carbohydrate-rich foods—from the Swiss with their sourdough rye bread, to the South Sea Islanders who consumed tubers like cassava or yams, to the Amazonian Indians who always ate bananas with their meat.

Some people restrict carbs because they find that carbs contribute to weight gain; others can eat lots of carbs without gaining an ounce.

Advocates of very low-carb diets insist that we have no biological need for dietary glucose, but intriguing new evidence indicates that carbohydrates support thyroid function, protect the digestive tract, and even help with blood sugar regulation. This may explain why people develop cravings for carbs after following a carb-restricted diet for some time.

In any event, except for the brief initial stages of weight loss diets, the traditional diet should include carbohydrate-rich foods, at least in moderation. And remember that animal fats provide the perfect synergy for carb-rich foods like potatoes, grains, fruit and natural sweeteners.

MYTH: THE WAPF DIET IS LIKE THE PALEO DIET

Launched by Loren Cordain with his book The Paleo Diet, the paleo diet has many adherents and a strong internet presence. Predicated on the theory that we should eliminate cereal grains and milk products, two foods considered new to human evolution and therefore harmful, the paleo diet is sometimes cited as "like the WAPF diet" but more often serves as a platform for criticism. According to Cordain's website, www.thepaleodiet.com, the diet includes grass-produced meats, fish and seafood, fresh fruits and vegetables, eggs, nuts and seeds, and "healthful" oils (olive, walnut, flaxseed, macadamia, avocado, coconut). The diet excludes all cereal grains, legumes (including peanuts), dairy, refined sugar, potatoes, processed foods, salt, and refined vegetable oils. Cordain recommends up to 35 percent of calories as protein. (In contrast to these specific recommendations, the paleo-oriented Ancestral Health Society answers their own rhetorical question, "What does it mean to live an Ancestral Lifestyle?"with an unobliging "We don't know.")

In The Paleo Diet, Cordain warned against saturated fats, but in later books he has relaxed his stance. Nevertheless, his recipes call for olive oil, not lard, tallow, or butter (excluded because it is a dairy fat) and specify that meat should be lean.

Today there are many authors, commentators and bloggers calling themselves "paleodieters," who take issue with some of Cordain's dietary rules. Many of them recommend including more fat in the diet, put more emphasis on organ meats, and wisely urge their followers to use salt. Nevertheless, at the recent PaleoFX conference, attendees were served Spartan meals of lean meat and salads, along with some lacto-fermented condiments.

So, first and foremost, WAPF takes issue with the lack of fat in the paleo diet as it is usually practiced and portrayed. And paleo dieters put little or no emphasis on the fat-soluble activators, Dr. Price's key finding. The descriptions we have of so-called primitive or paleolithic peoples indicate that they highly valued the fat and organ meats of the animals they killed, often throwing the lean muscle meat away. Vilhjalmur Stephansson, author of The Friendly Arctic and other books on Eskimo and Native American customs, noted that the Eskimo and North American Indian never ate lean meat—they considered it dangerous—yet lean meat forms the basis of the paleo diet.

The premise that we should avoid cereal grains and tubers like potatoes likewise does not jibe with the science. Archaeologists have found evidence of extensive reliance on cereal grains and starchy roots in the diets of early humans more than one hundred thousand years ago (Science, Dec 18, 2009). The diet of California Indians, considered the most "primitive" of all the Native Americans, contained large amounts of wild grains, which were gathered using special baskets, winnowed, ground, and made into porridge or cakes (Tending the Wild, by Kat Anderson). Granted, many people do poorly on grains (and some can't even digest disaccharides found in potatoes), but constructing a diet that excludes grains because some people can't tolerate them makes as much sense as formulating a diet that excludes beef because some people are allergic to beef.


What WAPF has done is explain just why so many people today are intolerant of grains—because their guts have not been properly formed due to a diet low in cholesterol and vital fat-soluble vitamins during the formative years, and because we are not growing and preparing our grains correctly. The truth is that many healthy cultures throughout the globe include grains and tubers in their diets, and modern man can also enjoy grains with proper attention and care.

As for dairy products, these do not show up until Neolithic times, but that does not mean they should be avoided. Many healthy cultures throughout the world consume raw and fermented milk products—some of them described by Dr. Price.


Dairy products are especially important for growing children in the Western world because they supply calcium in amounts needed for optimal growth and healthy bones. Much as paleodieters (and advocates for a plant-based diet) may insist otherwise, vegetables are not a good source of calcium. You need to consume three cups of raw kale, for example, to obtain the same amount of calcium found in one cup of raw milk, and much of that calcium will be blocked by oxalic acid (even when the kale is cooked), whereas raw milk contains numerous components that facilitate the absorption of calcium. (To get the same amount of calcium in one cup of milk from carrots, you would need to consume eight cups!)


Primitive cultures that did not have access to dairy products made great use of bones, either by preparing bone broth, by grinding the bones of small birds and animals and adding them to their food, or by consuming softened bones in fermented whole fish (as the Eskimos did). Some cultures also consumed insects with their calcium-rich exoskeletens. Modern parents are not likely to give these foods to their growing children. (Bone broth contains much less calcium than milk, but does contribute to healthy bones by supporting the formation of collagen and cartilage.)


And this brings me to my biggest concern about paleo—the application of this restrictive diet to growing children. Do we really want to bring up children in our grain-centered and dairycentered culture by denying them these delicious foods, foods that can be nourishing and wholesome if raised, handled and prepared properly? Many advocates of the paleo diet are childless and may not have thought this through. What does it do to the psychology of a growing child to always say “no” to foods that are prevalent in our culture, to deny them ice cream (homemade, of course), whole milk, sourdough bread with butter, baked beans, and potatoes with sour cream? While we certainly should be careful about our children's diets, they need to grow up on a diet that says, "Yes, you may," not "No, you can't."


The WAPF diet is not a diet based on exclusions—we do not say no to grains, beans (the most nutrient-dense plant food), starchy vegetables or dairy foods, nor to fats, salt or even sweet foods—all of which were consumed and enjoyed by healthy traditional peoples. Rather, we teach people how they can say yes to all these foods, and how to raise, handle and prepare these foods so that they can be included in the diet. And that is good news for people who want a diet that is not only healthy, but also enjoyable.

MYTH: WAPF IS AGAINST BREASTFEEDING

Recently a flurry of emails and blog postings has drawn attention to the information on breastfeeding and our homemade formula posted at westonaprice.org. The result has been several angry letters accusing WAPF of being "against breastfeeding."

Of course WAPF is in favor of breastfeeding! But our insistence that diet can influence the quality and quantity of mother's milk is interpreted as discouraging to new mothers, and likely to give them a reason to stop breastfeeding. Those who have followed our maternity diet throughout pregnancy have no trouble continuing the diet during lactation; but we recognize the fact that those who discover our advice after their babies are born are likely to be confused or dismayed. Still, we have an obligation to provide the information on the pregnancy and lactation diet—this is, after all, the crux of Dr. Price's teaching, the need for extra nutrition during baby's formative period to ensure optimal development and it is never too late to adopt our diet, as many parents have discovered.

In addition, our homemade formula based on raw milk is cited as giving mothers an excuse not to breastfeed. But the formula is time-consuming and tricky to make—no mother is going to make homemade formula if the breastfeeding is going well. If the breastfeeding is not going well—if baby is sickly and is not gaining weight—then supplementation with our formula is the obvious choice. We recommend using the formula with the Lact-Aid breastfeeding aid, which allows mom to nurse and give the formula at the same time—and yet we are accused of discouraging breastfeeding!

The official stance of the American Academy of Pediatrics and several breastfeeding advocacy groups is that diet has nothing to do with the quality of breast milk. This stance is sometimes carried to the extreme, with the insistence that vegan mothers can and should breastfeed. Yet a quick perusal of the scientific literature reveals numerous reports of severe vitamin deficiencies in the exclusively breastfed babies of vegan mothers, especially deficiencies of B12 (causing neurological impairment, metabolic complications, developmental delay, anemia, and even susceptibility to heart disease) and vitamin D (resulting in tetany and rickets). In some of these reports, the mother was supplementing with B12, yet the baby exhibitied severe B12 deficiency. In a recent case, an eleven-month-old baby exclusively breastfed by a vegan mother died of deficiencies of vitamins B12 and A. The parents were charged with neglect and sentenced to five years in prison.

At a time when mothers are most open to dietary advice, it is highly irresponsible to assure a vegan mother that her breastmilk can adequately nourish her baby. Breastfeeding advocacy groups have an obligation to warn these mothers that the complete absence of animal foods in the diet puts both them and their babies in danger.


As I have stated before, the goal of breastfeeding is healthy babies, not breastfeeding for breastfeeding's sake. This is accomplished by following our dietary principles as much as possible. We want breastfeeding to be a joyful and successful experience, and we also want those who cannot breastfeed for whatever reason (adoption, illness, low supply, employment not conducive to breastfeeding, baby not gaining weight) to have the healthy alternative of our homemade formula.

Comments (32)Add Comment
She Practices What She Preaches
written by Avila, Mar 18 2014
I only stumbled across the WAPF a couple of months ago, but even I know that the lovely, harmoniously proportioned, Sally Fallon Morell, herself, advocates that women SHOULD experience some later-life weight gain coinciding with shifting hormones that accompany their changing role in the family and society. What a breath of fresh air that was for me to hear that, in a world of women who's goal it is to say that they made it to the pearly gates boasting of being able to fit into those cute little jeans they wore in high school, there are women whose greater ambition is to say that they devoted the latter half of their lives supporting the cause of enabling people to properly nourish themselves and their families in the face of gross conspiracy and misinformation.
We have enough people in the world telling us that only thin is healthy. It is only this organization that I have ever heard say things like "size 14 women are the happiest," and a little extra weight is protective of the bones in later life. THANK GOODNESS Sally is true to her creed. We need more women like that.
Get the FACTS Straight
written by Paula, Nov 03 2013
Sally, you need to get your facts straight. Your recent articles are full of inaccuracy and misinformation as several before me have pointed out. Why you would take an ally and create an adversary is beyond my understanding. It also shows a lack of professionalism--the last 2 WAPF journals have been extremely disappointing in their misinformation.

WAPF and Dr. Price's works have changed my life for the better and I will continue to follow and support them along with the works of Robb Wolf & others and the Paleo/Primal movements. While you have made valuable contributions over the years your credibility in regards to the last 2 issues is shot -- it's about the movement, not you. We would better serve ourselves and the public by joining forces in a like minded cause.

Speaking of health -- you really do need get some exercise/lose some weight.
touchy feely
written by Linda Baker, Oct 21 2013
I agree, we should be careful what we say, and how we say it, but when the article is upfront about the fact that it is going to point out the differences, be ready for what comes. People are so touchy feely today, that in order to point out a difference, or something that is wrong, one has to dance the "oh, we are so alike in all these wonderful ways" dance for twenty minutes, so as not to offend. And yet, no matter how much it is done, offense is still taken! We take "I don't agree with what you are doing" to mean "I don't like you". Let's grow up, show some grace, and be able to look at our differences without being so defensive!
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written by CCM, Sep 24 2013
Thank you Sally for taking the time to spell out the important distinctions between paleo and WAPF diet. Paleo bloggers are some very smart researchers who can impress with their ability to navigate pubmed articles. I am glad for their willingness to share their findings. However, I am alarmed at the restrictive nature of their dietary recommendations, especially the auto-immune protocol which advocates no dairy, no grains, no nightshades, no eggs, no legumes. Sally is so right to point out the nutrients (A,D,K2, carbs) that would be short on such a diet. Not to mention the problem people find after initial relief from avoiding allergens an increased sensitivity to these and additional foods - worsening health problems beyond original problems. The more the diet is restricted, the more you starve microbes that aid in digestion of these foodstuffs, resulting in unwanted secondary and tertiary digestion effects, as you would see in any ecosystem. I do think that paleo and WAPF can agree that it is vitally important to avoid "foods of modern commerce": white sugar, processed grains, vegetable seed oils.
Babies dead from Veganism
written by Jill, Sep 21 2013

http://naturalhygienesociety.o...baby.html

(I do not advocate Natural Hygiene; I simply posted the link as a collection of information about baby deaths from veganism.)
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written by Sarah, Sep 20 2013
I take issue with the advice about not denying our children foods that are part of our culture. I understand that idea, but you are saying to properly prepare these foods at home so that our kids can enjoy them in a healthy manner. So in effect, we are still denying them and teaching them to say no. If kids at school are eating overly processed and not naturally raised foods (which by and large they are), then we are still telling them they can't have the foods their friends are enjoying. They can only eat mommy's special healthy version at home. That doesn't really solve the problem of our children feeling alienated and different. Unless you are allowing your children to eat the pizza and cookies that kids at school are eating, they are going to feel different than the other kids. I think they have to learn to understand and be okay with that.

Also, I can see why you would look to Loren Cordain to get information about the paleo diet if you are new to or don't understand the movement. However, the truth of the matter is that the majority or people who follow a paleo or primal diet/lifestyle do not follow those recommendations. In fact, I'd say they follow something that closely resembles the WAPF diet. In the end we all have the same goal of trying to eat more real whole foods and avoid processed foods.

Instead of finding the differences, find the common ground
written by Jared, Sep 20 2013
Sally, instead of looking for what divides each community, find what unites us... even with vegans and vegetarians. Damn, that was a low blow to say that vegan breast milk is the worst thing one could feed their baby. It may be true but, instead, emphasize that vegan/vegetarians are anti-GMO,they are for nutrient dense foods, they are for organic and local foods, etc. and WAPF is too. You find common ground and allies that work toward the same cause. You'd have many more people attracted to your org and people more willing to donate. Please focus on the positive, not the negative.
Paleo led me to WAPF
written by Jared , Sep 20 2013
Sally, lewrockwell.com led me to the paleo diet which led me to the primal diet which led me to WAPF and I'm so grateful for this three year evolution in my life. All these diets are much better than the government recommended diet and they all empower us to break the chains that bind us to the food and medical tyranny... Keep up the good work.
Greg, well said!
written by zn, Aug 19 2013
Oh Greg! You are so smart, i am blown away smilies/shocked.gif smilies/shocked.gif
But i think that nutrition is not all about being thin! Have you not seen thin people that can hardly lift their feet? I have...and i have also seen some heavier people being very energetic smilies/cheesy.gif! My grandmother is not thin but she is 85 and still moving very fast, she even has dark hair smilies/cheesy.gif i will tell her that she is a bad example, maybe she will die out of guilt and sadness T_T
Ok Greg! You are right, Sally has not given you enough research to rely on! Maybe she got it more right than she should have from the beginning and you are buthurt for Paleo people still having to research and update and reset and all this makes you upset smilies/sad.gif .
Also Weston Price tried to find some flaws in the diet of the traditional cultures so that research can make amends later smilies/cheesy.gif ...just for your sake!
Listen smilies/smiley.gif what i mean (in poor english for sure smilies/tongue.gif ) is that this is a nutrition style based on Weston Price (you know that already) he saw ,took notes and transferred you his observations, either take it or not! So less toxic grains after soaking = not going to harm your health, this remaining toxicity is not enough! Why? ask the people that applied this and were successful! Omitting a whole group like dairy and fats will make a big difference in the diet! And lastly you might want to test and research the air you breath even and find that it is not worth breathing in the end, don't be such a hypochondriac. We all can find something to say!Make a distinction about the importance of the things being said (if you can). It is just nutrition and you can select for your self, she just said that these are our differences and you just made it a big deal for yourself!
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written by Greg, Aug 19 2013
Over the past few years Robb Wolf and Mat LeLonde have both landed some big punches on Dr. Cordane's bad advice and poor research. Dr. Cordane might have started the paleo movement, but he hasn't kept up and pretty much no one considers him credible.

There are a couple lessons here. The most important lesson to be learned about GAPS/Paleo/Primal/WAPF is that their followers are very smart and very informed. BS is called out immediately. All ideas are challenged and if you can't point to some very good clinical trials and have a biochemical mechanism ready to make your points, you'd better be prepared to take a beating. And everyone has taken their lumps and has been forced to update their information as a result.

This is why paleo is constantly evolving. Informed dairy advocates are constantly 'educating' the bloggers and it's having an impact. Dairy has gone from verboten to OK over only a few years. Now most have acknowledged dairy is probably OK for most assuming its raw and A2 and pastured. Paleo is nutritional information evolution moving forward at light-speed.

Now contrast that with grains. Unless you can point to clinical trials where a sourdough eating group was healthier than the non-grain eating group, you will never be taken seriously. We all acknowledge soaking is healthier than not, but paleo folks go with the research, and the research says soaked is LESS toxic, not healthy. It's all about optimal health, not the lesser of evils.

And I'm going to go here: Sally, if you want to change lives and effectively influence people in a meaningful way, you need to lose some weight. No one takes nutritional advice from overweight people.

So welcome to the paleo blogisphere. You've taken your swing at the easy target of Loren Cordane, but since no on considers him credible, you've added nothing to the conversation.

Remember, you are judged by the enemies you keep. Please pick more wisely in the future.
Thank you!
written by Victoria, Aug 18 2013
I know a lot of people in the Paleo world were steaming and went on the attack after her letter but it needed to be said. I was so glad to see the letter in our latest journal. I have a number of issues with the Paleo diet and its association with WAPF and I am glad that Sally Fallon set things straight. They are not the same. First and foremost there has been too much emphasis by the more prominent members of that community on lean meats. We live in a culture in western lands that has brainwashed people into being afraid of animal fats. Some in the Paleo movement have contributed to this fear by their emphasis on lean meats over fatty meats. The so-called Paleo diet is constantly evolving, where as there is no need for a truly traditional diet to "evolve" because it was correct from the get-go. If anything, the traditional human diet in all its varied forms does not need to evolve, since so-called food evolution brought highly processed, destructive foods into the human diet. We need to go back to the past. The real past that we have actual written, historical evidence for. Thank you, Sally.
So very disappointing
written by Jeanmarie, Aug 15 2013
I have been a Weston A. Price Foundation member most of the time during the last 10 years since I came across Nourishing Traditions at the Whole Foods Market in Berkeley, CA. That book changed my life because it set me on an entirely new course and opened my eyes to many nutritional truths. My path since then has led me to appreciate the contributions of many proponents of the paleo/primal lifestyle. I have long thought that the paleo/primal crowd could benefit greatly from WAPF's teachings about bone broth, fermented foods, sacred foods such as liver, cod liver oil and egg yolks from pastured hens, and that WAPF could be a little more critical of grain consumption. Both have emphasized quality and sourcing of food, and Paleo/primal picked up the baton from WAPF and extended the concepts to address additional issues. The overlap between the two approaches is huge. It pains me greatly, then, to find such a poorly argued critique of the Paleo/Primal movement in Wise Traditions. This was not worthy of those who claim the role of preserving the legacy of Weston A. Price. Some rigidity of thinking has perhaps crept into an organization that has continued under the same leadership for years. I have the utmost appreciation and respect for Sally Fallon Morrell's contributions, and those of other board members, but this hit job is not worthy of the Price legacy. It is almost wholly inaccurate. So very disappointing.
WAPF is not Paleo but Paleo is like WAPF. But WAPF came before Paleo.
written by JAM, Aug 13 2013
These critical comments posted here that have emotional undertones are divisive, not Sally's opinions. I have to defend Sally here because I think WAPF's dietary guidelines more closely resembles the real Paleo diet (even with their inclusion of properly prepared grains/legumes/nuts/seeds and raw/fermented dairy) than the Paleo diet first advocated by Cordain. I've been following WAPF since 2000 (one of the few credible health web sites that has been around for quite some time). Originally, the "Paleo Diet" as advocated by Cordain and other experts was high protein, low fat, low carb (starch/sugar). By the way, all plant foods, not just grains and legumes have anti-nutrients (oxalic acid, goitrogens, saponins, etc.), so you can't avoid even most of these anti-nutrients on a Paleo diet. Since then the Paleo diet has evolved to become more like a ketogenic diet over the years, and lately it's also come to admit that starches are okay (I'm speaking generally, from how I interpret it from reading blogs and forum posts, your interpretation may be different). Mark Sisson (of Mark's Daily Apple) says raw dairy is acceptable. Paul Jaminet (of Perfect Health Diet) says white rice is okay. Are you noticing a pattern here? Almost everything WAPF has been advocating is slowly being incorporated into the "Paleo diet." All (yes, all) the popular "Paleo" blogs, traditional and real food blogs, etc. out there base their work on the work of WAPF. So, Sally has a right to differentiate WAPF from the current (and constantly evolving) "Paleo diet" - it was her and Dr. Enig's work that started it all (on the internet, that is)! I think WAPF's dietary guidelines are the least restrictive and if you think about it, if you really are truly healthy, occasional dairy (raw) and grains/legumes/nuts/seeds (properly prepared) should not adversely affect your health, nor will the once-in-a-blue-moon Standard American Diet (SAD) meal. FYI, I have followed WAPF's (and Dr. Mercola's) dietary guidelines for 13 years (13 years eating mostly real, unprocessed food and properly prepared according to traditional methods, only very rarely eating food not prepared by me at restaurants, social gatherings, etc.) in between that time I've tried experimenting by excluding certain "problematic" foods, being grain-free, legume-free, nut-free, seed-free and dairy-free (6 months), grain-free, legume-free and dairy-free (6 months), dairy-free (6 months), and grain-free (about 4 years), and many years being low-starch/sugar and ketogenic. What I found was that I thrived on an unrestricted diet that has the most variety - the WAPF diet, which does not exclude any food/food group besides processed, SAD food. Also, I've come to realize that diet is not everything - sleep, rest, exercise, play, leisure time, time spent outdoors exposed to the sun and elements and walking on the bare earth, limiting your exposure to environmental toxins and EMFs, social/emotional/psychological stress and how they impact your well-being need as much attention as does the food you eat.
Pay attention to detail people!
written by zn, Aug 13 2013
I could not agree more with what she stated in the newsletter! Details as major as those setting apart those two lifestyles ,ofcourse, should be stated! And it looks like people are dissapointed because they do not understand the importance of those detailes and consider those two lifestyles almost the same! Which is not true , even though today we have more than one versions of the Paleo lifestyle and that is why people are more confused! She is speaking about the very first version and she insists on it but you like to put lots of things in one bag shake em well and spill a final "shame on you" as if you think you have justyfied it enough to be told!
Oh no you did not!smilies/cool.gif
So in the end why do you people care so much if this is an alliance or a friendship that broke to pieces...these are some different lifestyles and that's it, what made you so hearbroken about them not being in total agreement?
What is it that you don't understand about their different approach of what constitutes a healthy lifestyle?
Choose one and shut up! or choose none, or merge them in any kind of whay that you feel is best.
Maybe your fluffy dream about following one of them and feeling like you belong to both is shuttered? Are you people so insecure?
This person here says : "I was very disappointed to read the section on the Paleo diet. To my mind the paleo/primal/ancestral health philosophies are almost entirely compatible with the WAPF philosophy."
Well guess what person...NO they are not compatible!
Maybe To your mind ...(wise choise of words there)...but you know everyone has a mind of their own ...and no we don't care if you are disapointed because why should we? These people here are giving you their thought about how nutrition should be, based on studies that they find applicable and legit!
They are not trying to make friends with any other lifestyle(if it happens it happens) they are not trying to form their nutrition advices to match other lifestyles just to get some more people to like them! Ok we understand it did hurt your feelings about cosmic peace and world friendship, but who caaaaareeees????? Nobody
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Liver,bone broth and some raw milk to your faces if you think that she should be ashamed for saying what is true and not being afraid that she will loose a bunch of low fat loosers! She will wash her shame in lard and butter!
Greetings to Sally and Sahra!
oh and ps: do not start with "oh your english ,my god lalala" Not everybody in this world is born as an English speaker! Although if you have no other arguments you are allowed to use this one to feel good about yourselves.
I think that this is a misunderstanding between the WAPF and the Paleo community
written by Chris, Aug 09 2013
Although I am not currently a member, I do try to adhere mostly to the primal diet by Mark Sisson, who operates probably the most cited and influential paleo/primal dieting website on the Internet. I think that you'll find that he agrees with about 95+% of what the WAPF says - in fact, I'll note that even the WAPF reviewed and generally favored the book:

http://www.westonaprice.org/thumbs-up-reviews/the-primal-blueprint-by-mark-sisson

I would encourage Sally Morell to learn more about the primal diet, and to contact people like Mark Sisson.

At the end of the day though, the other thing that I would urge the WAPF to remember is, the primal diet is not the opponent. The opponent is the current incumbent food industry, which is responsible for (and indeed profiting from) the current food system and that in turn is the heart of the food problems today (to say nothing of the other diseases that result from it). For that reason, a far more collaborative approach would be best for all.
Sally Fallon, Be Grateful!
written by Ida Alavioon, Aug 05 2013
I came to WAPF by way of Paleo, not the other way around!! smilies/angry.gif I am saddened by the bad press! I lost part of my small bowel and my thyroid due to autoimmune disease that is completely in remission after the exclusion of grains from my diet. I also eat liver and bone broth and I am responsible for referring my sister to this website for baby formula with liver. I helped her switch her children to whole milk and grass-fed butter. I will continue to support WAPF principles, but I am afraid to refer anyone new to this website.
Just as I take the time to bake nutrient rich Paleo treats for my niece and nephew, why don’t you take some time to do the research on Paleo and you will find that you are mistaken.
just tryin' to raise a healthy family.
written by Tami O'Brien, Aug 04 2013
I am fairly new to Paleo & had never heard of WAP, and so i cannot speak to the scientific details but, I am saddened that the 2 camps are at odds. It seems to me they are both attempting the same things, I don't understand why one should want to tear the other down.
Very disappointing
written by Katy Haldiman, Aug 03 2013
Sally Fallon's description of the Paleo diet is inexcusably inaccurate. I became a member of WAPF because of encouragement by many leaders within the Paleo movement. And I'm quite sure that I'm not the only one! WAPF has benefited greatly from all the exposure the Paleo movement has given them and I'm hoping that there will be a public apology from WAPF. I don't understand why Sally Fallon wants to create divisiveness between the communities, but it's apparent that she does. Instead of picking on a sister movement that also represents a nutrient-dense, whole food diet, isn't there enough work to be done with the vast majority that follow a standard American diet? It is irresponsible for the leader of WAPF, a public figure that many people look up to, to make such statements about the Paleo diet without first doing her research. Anyone can get on the Internet, do a little research, and quickly come to the conclusion that the modern Paleo movement (not Lorain Cordain's "paleo") is different than how Sally described it. The most offensive part of the editorial are her comments about feeding children a Paleo diet. First, how dare Sally judge people for feeding their children a healthy, balanced, and nutrient dense diet. Second, I just don't get her point. I never feel deprived on a Paleo diet and I'm sure that children that follow Paleo don't either. For many people (adults and children) on a Paleo diet, there are good reasons that they are excluding the whole milk, sourdough bread, and baked beans. As nice as indulging in some raw milk ice cream sounds, I would end up sleeping on the bathroom floor for at least a week. So, instead, I'll enjoy a nice coconut milk ice cream, remain just as satisfied, and still have my health intact. With WAPF, you are still saying "No, you can't" to the standard American diet. It is all in how you frame the choices available. Overall, this is very disappointing. If there is no acknowledgement from other leaders in the organization about this misstep, I won't be renewing my membership next year.
Modern grains
written by Colleen Thompson, Jul 30 2013
Being a ketogenic dieter, I read with interest your comments about components of different diets. I can understand that WAP would not discourage all grains as part of your philosophy. However, I was disappointed that you did not address the differences between modern wheat and primitive wheat. According to Wheat Belly, modern wheat has four times the chromosomes of primitive wheat — and this was before GMO became possible. That means four times the number of proteins that may affect our small intestine negatively.
What people do vs. what bloggers write about
written by Megan Brooks, Jul 30 2013
It is easier to determine what goes on on paleo websites and in blogs and forums than it is to understand what people that eat paleo actually do. There are lots of folks that realize eating lots of this and none of that is not going to magically satisfy all of their nutritional needs and make them healthy, but you won't necessarily ever hear about them. For many people, especially those living in cities, it is a major challenge (and compromise) to find ways to eat well and maintain a clean environment. The do's and don'ts from the bloggers can be helpful, but they aren't enough and smart people know that. The rest go brag about their paleo diets.

I have learned a great deal from people associated in one way or another with WAPF about the *rest* of the picture, beyond food, and I have learned some very important things about food as well. But nobody knows it all. I recently listened to a recording of a conference held on the Web earlier this year in which most of the presenters were connected somehow with WAPF. There was some great information there. But I was shocked to hear several qualified experts talk about the value of properly prepared grains and then, sometimes a few sentences later, describe situations that reflected possible grain intolerance, passing it off as normal.

Once you decide something is "right," it can blind you to information that doesn't agree with your belief. Worse yet, deciding that something can actually be "right" or "wrong" often can blind you to the underlying objective reality, which may be in no way constrained by such concepts. The very act of taking complex natural phenomena that express themselves differently in different individuals and reducing their descriptions to simple (false) formulas to make them easier to understand can blind us to reality. I'm sure that many WAPF members and followers can see how this works in the paleo community, but can they see how this works exactly the same way in the WAPF community? Perhaps not.

My personal experience is that I have been grain-intolerant all of my life, but I did not identify what the problem was until shortly before I turned 61 years old. From my early grade-school years I had terrible blood sugar problems in the afternoon before dinner (which fortunately was at 5, not 6 PM), and my parents just told me to shut up and wait. The blood sugar issues continued throughout my life until I simultaneously removed all grains from my diet (after already eliminating wheat and partially recovering from celiac-like symtoms), and then they vanished. Along with my weight control problems. Just like that. I don't say this is typical, but there are any number of other people out there like this.

And yet during the conference I mentioned above, one well-known and popular podcaster/blogger commented about how her young grain-fed child (for lack of a better term) becomes "hungry" in the afternoon before dinner and how this is normal. I was furious, and I skipped to the next presentation. She has no clue what she was describing, and how she is potentially setting up her child for a life of difficulty and progressive disease, and she is unlikely to intervene as long as she has "faith" in what WAPF says about it.

Healthy people should not "need" to eat every few hours. This only happens when something is metabolically wrong. I don't care if there are a billion people on the planet with this problem; it's still a problem. If there are elements in their environment or diet that are damaging their metabolism then they need to do something about it if they possibly can, and if they can figure out what to do in spite of all the misinformation being broadcast from so many different sources.

I give this one example because it comes from personal experience. I can go for a day now without eating and it is not a problem. I do realize that while I am not eating I am not taking in important nutrients, and I may need to make up the deficit. I realize that modern foods, even the "healthy" natural ones, can be extremely nutrient-poor compared with wild foods eaten in earlier eras by hunter-gatherers, and that I might want to avoid going for long periods without eating even though I don't have to and it didn't hurt those earlier humans. But, to stay with this example, eating frequently throughout the day to mask blood sugar issues instead of digging down to find the cause -- which could very well be grains -- is crazy and just begging to develop severe degenerative disease.

Wouldn't it be better if we pooled our knowledge, rather than forming camps and arguing from ignorance? I think so.
Grains not worth the bother; there are other foods
written by George Henderson, Jul 28 2013
Although I believe you when you say that grains can be grown and prepared in a healthful manner, I have lived for 55 years, eaten a wide range of foods, and I have never eaten grains prepared in this way. For one thing, I do not own a mill for removing bran and germ, and doing this by hand is very time-consuming. Legumes such as lentils, peas and beans are relatively easy to render safe. There is simply no need to eat grains as they are available in our societies, with the possible exception of rice. If someone wants to spend their life tinkering around trying to tame the dangers of gliadin and WGA, that is their choice, but surely if someone eats roots and tubers instead, because life is too short or the risks of getting it wrong are too real, they are not doing anything wrong.
In fact, Weston A Price observed several societies, such as those of the South Pacific, that had ZERO history of grain use, and that have since been seriously affected by the addition of grains to their diets.
Disappointed with the Comments re: Paleo
written by Laurie, Jul 28 2013
I am VERY disappointed to see WAPF put itself against the Paleo lifestyle (which is far more than just as described by Dr. Cordain). In my opinion, I don't think Dr. Price would be impressed with some of what was said above. We are on the same side. Please do NOT throw other healthy lifestyles to the wolves when so much more will be accomplished if we fight the lies, that are keeping us sick and dying, TOGETHER. Paleo is under attack because it is saving lives and taking money out of many corporate pockets; this is the time to ALIGN these lifestyles, not DIVIDE them.
Some details obviously lost in translation but mostly sound argument.
written by Cat, Jul 26 2013
I was WAPF first and it saved me from a fate worse than a fate worse than death. I did base all my skills in the kitchen on Sally's books which held me in absolutely solid stead moving to primal eating- I doubt I'd have bothered if I hadn't gone so far with Price's book and Sally's research.
Primal was the last link in the chain towards complete mental freedom and health- physical too but the mental was my main genetic issue. I can't tolerate any sort of grain, not even the pseudo-grains in spite of soaking, sprouting dehydrating, grinding etc etc. They cloud an otherwise clear mind, inflame joints, add in bowel issues and I just say no, no matter how elaborate the prep. or how sound the historic imperative.
It took three years of WAPF to realise my health wasn't getting beyond a certain level. (I'm 40yrs old now.) I still credit Weston and Sally for healing me to about 75%, and Mark Sisson's version of paleo (primal) the final 25%. I love, and owe my finally contented life to, both camps. Though it's mostly the same camp, just different ends of the grassy plain.
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written by natalie, Jul 26 2013
I was saddened to see the paleo diet approached so incorrectly. Although as a "diet" I supposed you would have to see it this way. But the TRUTH is, it isn't a diet...it's a lifestyle approach. Which is to say, most paleo eaters are living a primarily paleo approach to 90% of what they eat...they also enjoy non paleo style foods and focus on real, whole food. Much life your own approach...would you call they way you eat a "diet"?

As for your concerns with children, you will find the majority of us allow our kids to enjoy wholesome kid foods that are not paleo approach foods. But these make up a small amount of our kids diets (20% or less) the rest of the time we enjoy veggies, fruits, meats, nuts and seeds. I understand your argument with dairy, but you didn't mention the negative issues dairy can have. My kids get a glass of organic milk a day. We cannot get raw milk where we live...so it's mostly sugar...honestly I don't push the issue, my kids are healthy...very healthy.

So while appreciate your candor, it felt like judgement...I was taken back because I thought we were on the same team...the whole food approach team. We just disagree on the value of all the different foods.I certainly wouldn't judge you for feeding your child grains. I would understand that you have made a choice based on the research you deem credible, as have I.

You sounded as ill informed and judgmental as an FDA troglodyte.
Wellington New Zealand Chapter Of The Weston A. Price Foundation
written by Ian Gregson NZ, Jul 25 2013
We'd just like to say, before WW3 starts between the Paleo diet and the WAPF diet, that we ourselves avoid nightshades and grains, and watch out for undesirable side effects that can be caused by eating unfermented dairy (yes, even A2 raw dairy).
So according to this we are more Paleo than WAPF ourselves. As far as we are concerned there should be no conflict between Paleo and WAPF diets. We are keen supporters of the Paleo diet. Individuals have different dietary requirements.
You should do more research on the Paleo Diet
written by Brian Klein, Jul 24 2013
The Paleo Diet isn't just what Loren Cordain has said it is. There is a lot more to it than that, and most people actually don't really follow his version of it. You should research this further, and read from authors such as Chris Kresser, Robb Wolf, Mark Sisson, Diane Sanfilippo. They all talk about the value of saturated fats (lard, tallow and butter included), and I think most of them actually recommend raw milk assuming that you tolerate it.

Criticizing them on their food from a conference is not really a valid argument. I'm sure you have all the food shipped in to the venues that you have conferences at, and pull out all the stops. But to use that as an argument against the Paleo diet is a pretty weak attack.

Finally, your discussion about restricting a child's diet is pretty hypocritical. While you don't "restrict" certain foods, eating a WAPF diet is pretty restrictive in the sense of how most Americans eat. You literally cannot go out to eat, save for a very few restaurants, if you are following a WAPF diet. (Nor can you shop at most grocery stores.)

I would highlight the differences, but without so much malice. And to be honest, the differences are very few. Milk and grains are what it mostly comes down to, and actually, most Paleo bloggers suggest eliminating those 2 food groups for 30 days, and then reintroduce to see how you feel... suggesting to follow your preparation guidelines to help with digestion and reduce anti-nutrients. So in most cases, these two diets (lifestyles) are very similar.

Finally, I imagine that you are getting a large number of members because of the Paleo diet, and I can't imagine why you are trying to distance yourselves from them. It is through the positive reinforcement of community that we can grow the real food movement. You have just pushed progress backward.
So Sadly Misinformed and Prejudicial
written by Amy, Jul 24 2013
I came to the real food movement through Weston A. Price advocates, namely Nina Planck. And it is the diet that I point my blog readers to first and foremost as a good basis for all our diets. But your post on paleo is just wrong and inaccurate I simply must respond.

Firstly - Can we acknowledge that many people still struggle to digest even traditional WAPF approved dairy, grains and legumes and therefore choose to remove them from their diets for either as long as it takes to heal, or even for life if they are well nourished without them?

Also - living in a rural resort area where our food selection is limited to being with and higher priced than normal, can we also acknowledge that many people may choose to go with paleo because it's so difficult to access properly prepared grains and dairy unless you have a homestead of your own? That you can have a healthy diet without these components?

Almost every paleo based cookbook I've ever seen includes a recipe for bone broth, for the very reason you mentioned above - to make up for calcium you won't be getting from dairy. I'd also go on to point out that many in the paleo and primal community also are quite comfortable with traditional dairy - provided you tolerate it. They only recommend removing it completely for a time to let your body heal and then to try and reintroduce it later on to see if you're truly lactose or casein intolerant. If you're not - enjoy your traditional dairy as part of your paleo lifestyle!

Also, the reason Cordain suggests lean protein is not because animal protein is bad, but because people on tight budgets or just giving it a try for a while might have a hard time finding the best sources for their meat. Sure pastured chicken fat is great for you - as is grass fed tallow and pastured lard. BUT If you don't have access to those things, Cordain argued that you should stick to lean cuts of conventional meats because, I think we can all acknowledge, the fat from CAFO animals is unhealthy and not the same as fat from animals raised in ecologically appropriate conditions. Most paleo dieters eat plenty of fat from vegetable AND appropriately raised animal sources. Myself included.

For me personally, I have gluten intolerance and even gluten free grains have upset my digestion. Right now I'm following a paleo template to heal my gut so that down the road I might be able to enjoy those foods once in a rare while. But even properly prepared, they upset my digestion right now. So does that mean I'm no longer a WAPF supporter? If so, well then I suppose I don't want to be any more.

I'll continue to call myself an advocate for real and whole foods though.
WHAT??! You have described the Paleo (or Primal) lifestyle completely INACCURATELY.
written by Suzanne, Jul 23 2013
Wow! Where to start? You should probably go read the rebuttal letter on thepaleomom.com (http://www.thepaleomom.com/201...-diet.html) to really get your facts straight. But just to quickly tell you...I have been eating more "paleo" since trying to address and recover from a Celiac diagnosis 3 yrs ago. It has brought me nothing but health and happiness....and I eat a TON OF FAT. That's almost the basis...if there are issues, or you are craving sweets or carbs, you ADD MORE FAT. That can be high quality bacon fat, that can be olive oil, that can be lard, coconut oil...the list goes on. You are so wrong on so many points in your comparison that I actually find that it puts everything else I read here in question. It's like reading a 7 year old sum up what this lifestyle is. It's NOT a diet....it's a way of eating that stems from a starting point. I don't know any people doing this that are actually "trying" to be Primal in all aspects. They are trying to move away from the processed foods and GMO's that have infiltrated our Markets and moving towards a farmers' market approach to eating. Much more cooking of your own food, whole food ingredients, and an understanding of what grains do to the system (for many of us, we were first-hand experiencing the health issues, so to remove them and witness the recovery is AMAZING). So PLEASE, do more research, or keep an open mind, or whatever....but to simply write about it as you have above puts this entire site into question for those of us who actually follow that lifestyle.
Ill-informed and divisive
written by CJ, Jul 23 2013
I was very disappointed to read the section on the Paleo diet. To my mind the paleo/primal/ancestral health philosophies are almost entirely compatible with the WAPF philosophy. The information presented here is both incomplete and misleading (and some is plain wrong) and shows little understanding of the current state of paleo philosophy. Even more disturbing is the undeserved attack on a philosophy that should be a natural ally of the WAPF in the fight against poor nutrition and physical degeneration!

Shame on you, Sally! This sort of petty divisiveness has no place in the real food movement, and will definitely affect my decision whether or not to renew my WAPF membership.

(For anyone interested in the details of why Sally's article is wrong regarding paleo, Sarah Ballantyne has a comprehensive rebuttal over at The Paleo Mom website. I highly recommend reading it).
One vegan baby dies?
written by Sarah West, Jul 23 2013
What about the countless babies who have been nourished by a vegan mother's milk. You really do sicken me using the case of one vegan baby who died to try and prove a point. There are also other reasons as to why a baby could be deficient in those vitamins - a genetic mutation, Celiac's disease and those can happen in babies whose mothers are following the WAPF diet as well.
Do you make note of tongue tie, or lip tie? No, then you are doing a grave disservice to mothers. Also these ties can contribute to dental decay, something Weston A Price would be interested in. Your information is full of holes. No-one can discount a diet is very important, but to say that a cow's milk (which could also have contaminants in it, is better than a mother's milk shows the true ignorance here. Shame on you Sally Fallon for putting your agenda out there ahead of babies health.
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written by DavidSeidner, Jul 09 2013
Please provide citation for the vegan child's death and resulting imprisonment. Thanks.
WAPF is the reason I am still breastfeeding!
written by Salem Thorup, Jun 29 2013
I want to address the myth about the WAPF not supporting breastfeeding. I have 3 children, all of which I have breastfed. I didn't discover the WAPF until I was pregnant with my 3rd. I was desperately looking for alternatives to psychotropic medications to treat my mood disorder as well as find solutions to my seizures, chronic fatigue, & multiple other symptoms. I was suicidal during my first 2 pregnancies! Thankfully, I had been taught that suicide is never the answer & I knew that if I hurt myself then I'd be hurting my baby as well. After my oldest was born I finally decided to talk about my depression with my midwife. She put me on Zoloft, which seemed to help for a while. When my daughter was 8 months old, I got pregnant with my son. I was instructed to stay on the Zoloft, so I did & as we adjusted the dosage I was able to manage until he was about 9 months old. Then I hit a breaking point & was sent to the ER where I was referred to a psychiatrist that put me on a cocktail of 3 drugs AT MY 1ST VISIT! I just wanted to feel better- I was the perfect customer for big pharm. When I went on the cocktail, I was told that breastfeeding was no longer an option. Although years later, they are trying to tell women that some of the meds I was on are "compatible" with breastfeeding. So, my first 2 were only breastfed for 9 months of their lives, which I know is still great but I was heartbroken to wean them. Most of the breast milk they got was laced with the Zoloft I was on & while I can't "prove" anything, I know that it has had a negative impact on both of them. I was barely surviving- even on the meds. As the years went by, not only could I not get pregnant since I used caffeine to just be awake some of the day, but I went through quite the trial period with allopathic medicine & pharmaceutical drugs. When I did muster the determination to quit caffeine long enough to get pregnant with my youngest daughter, I found out that my midwife (that is so enthusiastic about natural childbirth) was not so supportive of natural mental health treatments. She refused to take me as a patient, claiming I had a "high risk" pregnancy, even though I was told by the doctors she sent me to that I was not a high risk pregnancy case. So, my 3rd child was born at a hospital, which (after having experienced the comfort of a birthing center & witnessed several beautiful home births) I do not wish to repeat the hospital experience (even though mine was probably one of the better ones). If only I had known about the homemade formula when my 2 oldest were weaned. Perhaps they would not have been weaned if I had known about nutrient dense diets. They probably wouldn't have suffered with so many ear infections & strep infections in their little lives. My baby is a year old now & I still breastfeed. Our current work situation makes it very difficult for me to have the time to breastfeed her as much as she wants, so we do supplement with the homemade formula which she does really well with (but definitely prefers my milk over the formula). If I didn't have the homemade formula, I would not be a very calm or happy mother. Also, without a more nutrient dense diet for myself, I'd still have postpartum depression & be way too stressed out to be a decent mother. WAPF is supportive of mothering- good mothering! That includes promoting breastfeeding as the most preferred choice to feed a baby, but then also providing acceptable options for those that (for whatever reason) cannot breastfeed. You are right, Sally-- breastfeeding should not be just for breastfeeding's sake- it should be to nourish the child & foster a healthy & happy connection between mother & child. I would not have been able to stay off of my meds & then successfully breastfeed my 3rd child at all if I didn't have the information of the WAPF. Thank you for giving me options & for saving my little family from having a zombie mom! You are obviously a family oriented & breastfeeding supportive organization & I will defend you against anyone that criticizes you on that. If they are so stuck on believing that a lactating woman's nutrition isn't so critical then, maybe we need to do some good studies to show them otherwise. Perhaps an analysis of milk from women on both traditional diets as well as other diets might be persuasive to some? I'd participate! I want to know what the difference is (at least as far as science can analyze it).

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