The Medical Industry Is Mostly Based On BS (Bad Science) With Dr. Jeremy Ayres And John Gusty

Most medical professionals don’t read the latest studies. A lot of modern medicine is based on bad science (B.S.). Conventional medicine was never set up to promote good health; it was meant for profit.

If these statements shock you, that is part of the point. Our guests today, Dr. Jeremy Ayres and John Gusty, are co-authors of “The Red Pill Revolution” and they are on a mission to uncover the deceptive practices interwoven in modern medicine. They invite you to dig deeper to discover its dark roots and the industry that has developed around it. Listen with curiosity to learn how to take your health into your own hands and to opt out of the conventional system that is tied to the food and the pharmaceutical industry.

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Within the below transcript the bolded text is Hilda Labrada Gore and the regular text is Dr. Jeremy Ayres And John Gusty.

Pills, prescriptions, surgeries, radiation, chemo, have you ever wondered if modern medicine is truly looking out for your best interests? Is it about profit or your health? Maybe it’s time to take the red pill to find out. This is episode 536, and our guests are John Gusty and Dr. Jeremy Ayers. They are co-authors of the book The Red Pill Revolution.

They pull back the curtain. They are working to empower people to take their health into their own hands and to become aware of the deception in the medical industrial complex and its ties to pharma and food. These two men mean no words, and literally, they break down the etymology of words like diagnosis and COVID. Basically, they are doing the best they can to shed light on the origins of modern medicine and today’s practices, explaining why the science is never settled and why you need to get out of the matrix.

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Welcome to the show, Jeremy and John, we’re glad to have you.

Thanks for having us, Hilda.

Hilda, thank you very much. Looking forward to this conversation.

Putting Our Trust Into Mainstream Medical Professionals

I think it’s important because we implicitly trust the mainstream medical conventional system in a way that we don’t trust other professionals in our lives. John, can you shed some light on that truth?

As you may have read in my bio or whatever, and we’ve had some conversations offline, I come from a lifetime in the entertainment industry, specifically the music industry. I’ve seen that world from every angle, behind the scenes, up on stage, and everything in between. I’m very well acquainted with the art of marketing and manipulation, and growing audiences, and in some cases even flat-out deceit if the marketing program has that as its purpose.

My wife of over twenty years, when we first got together, was originally diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and was walking with a cane. My wife has got many wonderful attributes about her personality, but she’s not the best question asker. I started going to her medical appointments with her, and keep in mind, I had no previous medical industrial complex experience. I’ve been very healthy my whole life. I never was in hospitals or doctors’ offices.

This was really a new world to me. I treated it like any other world that whether I was talking to an accountant or a lawyer, or an industry professional, I just treated them the same way. It took a matter of moments to realize, they’re offended if you ask questions, and they’re offended if you give them your own opinion on things. There was just like this assumed baked in trust with that profession that I have never seen before, and I didn’t quite understand it. I just kept asking questions, and I guess I just kept irritating and making people upset.

This is my wife we’re talking about, and we’re not going to put something in her or on her or expose her to anything unless we know exactly what the objective is, what the stuff is, and what are we doing? I found all too quickly that most of those medical professionals did not have those answers, at least adequate enough answers when we’re talking about life and death situations. I just proceeded as I normally would. To this day, it just baffles me. If we’re being perfectly honest, look up the leading causes of death or look up the leading health situations, and look at like whatever the top ten is.

It’s always the same stuff. It’s always heart and respiratory, diabetes, sugar-related things, and weight issues. If the medical industrial complex is, let me put it this way, can they cite any victories? Can they cite any breakthroughs, any advancements? Is anyone less fat? Is anyone more healthy? Can they cite any accomplishments whatsoever? Again, if you go look up the leading cause of death, the leading cause of illnesses, any of those top ten lists, if they have made any advancements, those lists don’t reflect it.

You’re right. It’s been the same offenders for decades, even though there’s a war against cancer and there’s a search for the cure or whatever they have out there, it’s still the same old thing. Jeremy, do you find that this is true, that, I guess I would say, the average person is very willing to see to the will of their medical practitioner in a way that they’re not in other areas of their lives?

Absolutely. I think, although you have a probably broad audience that’s used to this conversation, there may be people reading and already starting to think they’ve got some quacks or tinfoil hat or anti this or anti this on your show. I think it’s really important that people know that John and I, and I’ve been doing this for over 30 years and researching for over 30 years, and are incredibly successful at getting people well.

We didn’t wake up one day and just go, “I’m going to pick every controversial subject known to man because it’s going to improve my social status, my professional status, or my income,” because the opposite is actually true. We were raised by good, humble parents that my mother particularly brought me up to bullies and liars. I just didn’t realize at the time that that basic education was going to lead me to find that the so-called authorities and so-called science and so-called leaders of our time are usually the biggest bullies and biggest liars of all.

It was a long journey into that. I set off quite young from a family business. I came out of a family building business to follow osteopathy and then naturopathy. I’ve spent the last 30 years researching and helping people. The more I researched, the further and further it pushed me away from conventional medicine. The more you go that way, the more isolated you become, even from your own profession, because only when you start to actually, and I think that’s the key, willing to entertain the thought that maybe medicine wasn’t set up to actually help you.

Maybe medicine is a business. Now, when you first hear that, go, “I’ve got a lovely doctor,” or “My daughter’s a nurse,” or “Yes, we’ve found that many wonderful people have gone into medicine.” Most of those that we respect have found that when they try to do their job properly, they’re very severely reprimanded or lose their license. Weston Price was a dentist, but he at least had the foresight to go, “Why are people getting so sick?”

Many wonderful people have gone into medicine, but most of them discovered that when they try to do their job properly, they are severely reprimanded.

Of course, you well know, he went around the world examining people’s teeth and he started to see that fundamentally diet and also where they lived, exposure to the sun or lack of, highly affected their health and their longevity, and their outcomes. To this day, if you speak to an enteralogist or somebody to do with the digestive system and suggest that diet might have a role, to this day, they’ll laugh. My patients all the time are telling me that their specialist said, “Your diet has nothing to do with it.” Now, when we’re at 2025 and the people that we invest an enormous amount of faith in don’t realize diet has any effect whatsoever, you really have to stop and ask yourself why.

Medical Professionals And Their Elevated Status

John, let’s see if you can feel this question. I wonder why more medical professionals don’t ask that very question. They see patient after patient after patient and often on a regular basis because they have to tweak the meds, and they’re not seeing the progress and the improvement that they want. Why don’t they ever stop in their tracks and say, “Something’s not working here, and we’re just managing an illness, we’re not reaching a cure?”

There’s a certain aspect or quality to medical professionals. The only thing that I’ve ever really been able to equate it to is, it seems to be the same dynamic when people go into police work. There’s this baked-in elevated status, perhaps. I mean, if that’s a way to put it, it’s like when you see someone, “I’m a policeman.”

It’s like, “You’re a policeman,” or “I’m a doctor.” “You’re a doctor.” Lawyers had that for a little bit, but I think the lawyer, the law, has not done itself any favors over the years. Anyways, these well-meaning people. As Jeremy said, I think the majority of the people that go into the medical profession do go into it with the best of intentions. It’s just like public school teachers. Most public school teachers go into that profession with the best of intentions.

They want to teach, they want to help kids. Then they get in it and they realize, “I’m not allowed to teach. I’m not allowed to discipline. I’m not allowed to do anything except follow the state-driven template that I’m given. I think medical professionals are suffering from the same thing as they’re taught what they’re taught. That term education, just means you are repeating what you’ve been told.

I want to interject with a story here because one of my daughters had issues with her appendix. I remember we went in to get her seen. They were like, “We have to do surgery. We have to do the appendix surgery, remove it.” I was like, “Wait, because I had just read something about it.” I was like, “I heard that in Europe, they’re doing X, Y, and Z.” They were very hesitant to say the least about doing anything outside of the standard of care.

If they didn’t honor that, maybe their own license or reputation would be at risk, or I don’t know. They were just so resistant. In the end, we actually went forward with whatever they were recommending because it seemed like it was so jeopardy. It was a jeopardy for us too, and for my own daughter’s health and life. They do frame it in these black and white terms. It’s like you’ve got to follow the rules.

You hit on something that was quite, I see it all the time, is that the medical professionals are much more concerned with losing their status than they are with your health and wellness. They will protect their status and their right to practice. Again, think of any other profession where you would prioritize things that way. The guy mowing your lawn wants to do the best job he can so that you will have him back to mow his lawn. If you ask him to trim some trees or whatever, and he goes, “I’m afraid I’m going to lose my lawn mowing license if I do that.” He’d be like, “Get out of here. I’ll just go get somebody else to mow my lawn.”

Fear Of Getting Medical Diagnosis

Let me jump in there, John, because it’s a really important point. First of all, so-called modern medicine, although it’s the youngest medicine on the planet, of course there’s some merits. If you’re in a car accident, you’re bleeding, broken bones, as long as you get in front of a decent trauma team, they’re the people that you need to see. They base their whole foundation on “evidence-based medicine.”

After 30 years, and there are many scientists that we respect that would agree with what I’m saying, but when you look at the “science,” it turns out there’s almost no science going on. The evidence-based medicine is usually based on non-science, or what I call BS, bad science. From that, they draw their confidence to make such decisions. Part two of that is the system that’s been set up around them, as you rightly began to shareholders, is that they have to come up with a diagnosis. Once you come up with a diagnosis and you’re labeled in the system, they only have certain options and tests and procedures that they can do, or they’re in trouble.

Particularly, America is a suit culture. They’re terrified for their own safety and career. Now, diagnosis is made up of three words, di-ago-nosis. Di means two, ago means not, and nosis means to know. It literally means two people not knowing what the hell’s going on. Now that’s very advantageous when you’re in a position of apparent knowledge versus very little knowledge. The patient hasn’t very much knowledge at all. They’re in fear, and they’re often suffering.

Most people, in my experience, having helped tens of thousands of people, are terrified of doctors. John’s wife, they’re terrified to ask a question, look stupid, or get told what have you. It’s very important that people understand that the system they’re going into to ask advice is a very skewed one way. They’re not allowed to ask what have you been eating? They’re not allowed to suggest anything other than what’s in front of them. At the end of the day, when you start to dig deeper and deeper, and realize there’s almost no science.

I’ll give you a very quick example, just as an example, iodine. I’m sure Weston Price, I’m sure Sally is familiar with iodine, I hope yourself, Lugol’s iodine. Lugol’s iodine was a universal medicine for 150 years. The old GPs or old doctors even had a little poem to remember it. It was carried in every doctor’s bag. Back in the ‘60s, Wolfram Creek did a “study” in which they said it blew up the thyroids of rats. The problem is they didn’t test the thyroids of the rats, which it didn’t.

From that day forward, it was taught in every medical school to every doctor and certainly endocrinologist that iodine, in minute amounts to which was used to be given, was now poison. It went from universal medicine to universal poison. To this day, I have God knows how many hundreds and thousands of people that have healed serious conditions, particularly thyroid, using levels of iodine that an endocrinologist would pass out just at the thought. All based on bad science. There’s one example.

The Deliberate Misuse Of The Word “Science”

I’d like to make just a quick comment on that word science, because especially in the last 4 or 5 years. We live in a time where words and symbols are very powerful. Whether individually you want to recognize that or not. Words are very powerful. A lot of words that we use are misused deliberately, and science is one of those words. Science is a discipline. Science is no different than honesty or fidelity.

Is a it’s a discipline. It is not a government institution. It is not a building with an address. It is not a group of people. It is a discipline. I’m holding up a ballpoint pen. I could scientifically prove to you that this is a ballpoint pen. I would use the scientific method and scientific discipline to prove that. There is no need for a third-party organization or government to come in and declare this a ballpoint pen. That’s what we’ve been experiencing our entire lives, but certainly at an elevated pace, the last 4 or 5 years, is science. A science is this government entity that knows more than you do. It’s not.

Science is a discipline, no different than honesty or fidelity. It is not a government institution, a building with an address, or a group of people.

It’s simply a discipline. Those that use science and the discipline of science know how to use it. If you listen to someone using a scientific discipline, you can feel the truth resonate. You see somebody on TV with a fancy name and letters after their name, claiming to be a scientist, Anthony Fauci, maybe. I don’t know, there’s an old saying, I think it was Margaret Patrick that said, “If you’re a lady, you don’t need to claim that you are one.”

The biggest red flag in the last 3 to 4 years, exposing what we’re just beginning to introduce to maybe your audience, is the trust in the science dogma that was broadcast over the last 3 or 4 years. That’s an oxymoron because the opposite is true in true science. True science is a challenge. Science keeps challenging everything that we think we’ve discovered because that’s the only way we think we’re going to get to a better truth or a better understanding.

I see. Science is not something static, as if it were a seal of approval. This is science, and that isn’t science. You’re saying science is an approach of discipline and all of us should be able to be citizen scientists. We should be able to examine something and determine for ourselves. It doesn’t matter how many letters you have after your name.

Not at all. Anyone using the scientific discipline is a scientist by definition.

It’s worse than that. It’s been deliberately made into a religion, hence the don’t question the science. When you do question the science, you actually find 95% and this is other scientists that we respect, who we would describe as true scientists. 95% isn’t science. It’s bad science. Most patients going to a doctor, hence the evidence-based medicine, probably assume they read current studies.

No one’s reading the study. Some of your doctors, and not many, will read the headline and the conclusion, and nothing in the middle. There was a study done where, in the middle of the study, they put, “Call this number and you get a free box of champagne.” No one called it to prove that no one reads the studies. There is an enormous amount of assumptions.

There is an enormous amount of, I would say, professional ignorance going on in medicine. At the end of the day, if you go and look financially, what is the biggest cause of bankruptcies in America? 65% of all bankruptcies are medical bills. It’s a business model. Those good people trying to heal, I have found, are trapped within it, not helping usually.

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How To Get Out Of Bad Science

Jeremy, how can we bust out of that then? If this is the model and this is the almost matrix that we’ve grown accustomed to, people who want to be healthier, who do we turn to? What do we do? How do we bust out of this so we don’t just trust the science, which is a fake matrix?

We start with asking questions, and we start with planting seeds. One of the seeds I like to plant in people’s brains is this. If a medicine makes a healthy man or woman sick, it cannot make a sick man or woman healthy. Now, of course, there are extremes from maybe paracetamol or an aspirin up to chemo, and I don’t believe the word therapy should be put after chemo. I think it is absolutely offends, hypocrite, first do no harm. It’s a poison. You will never convince me that that’s therapy.

Most “medications” people are consuming, excuse me, if you gave them to a healthy man or woman, it would cause them side effects. We’ll drop the word side, it would cause effects. Why? It’s because you cannot be deficient in a pharmaceutical drug. All pharmaceutical drugs are toxic to the body. The body has to do something with it. I like to start planting seeds there before we even get onto which, in Weston Price, I’m sure, will agree. Most people aren’t eating even food. They’re eating feed and artificial at it.

Such a good point. I’ve never heard it put that way. I’ve thought of pseudo food, but considering it feeds almost like an animal feed.

If you don’t mind. My hope is that through conversations like these, more people can get to the point where I got to years ago. When you walk into any grocery store, any group. I don’t care what the grocery store is, whether it’s Jeff Bezos, Amazon, Whole Foods, or all the way down to your local grocery. If you don’t walk into a grocery store and if you are not offended by the feed porn, just the sugar and the carbs and the inks and dyes, and just all the garbage that is on the shelves. If you’re not offended by that, then you need to keep learning and you need to keep listening because most of the stuff on grocery store shelves is also toxic.

Maybe one of the first questions we need to ask is not of our medical professional, it’s of ourselves. What am I putting into my body, and is it serving me well?

Jeremy says this quite often, and I think it’s a great thing. Human beings are the only species on earth that doesn’t instinctively know what to eat.

Human beings are the only animals on earth that do not instinctively know what to eat.

It’s true. It’s been very engineered that way. Supermarkets, you should drop the word super from it. I’m sure that word was invented much the same as Bill Gates chose the word virus, which he could have chosen germ or any other. I think he put that into the subconscious mind that computer viruses, of course, by default are harmful or even exist, for that matter. I certainly think supermarkets were put in there to make you think that it was super. The supermarket is probably the next most dangerous place to walk into, the first one being a hospital.

Modern Medicine: The World’s Youngest Medicine

You guys are blowing my mind. I love the way you’re breaking down some of these words and hopefully causing all of us to think. I know you’re making me think. That leads me to something you said earlier, Jeremy, the way you said that modern medicine is the youngest medicine on the planet. Can you explain that a little bit?

A huge target.

It’s really important for how we started this. If you don’t know history, it has a habit of repeating itself, unusual to mankind’s detriment. Modern medicine is just over 100 years old. It came in with the Flexner report which was sponsored by the Rockefeller Foundation. They wanted to use oil not just to run gasoline and engines will have you but they wanted to use petroleum-based and turn it into drugs. Most of your drugs, if not all, are petroleum-based.

That’s huge, though, Jeremy. Let that sink in. If people haven’t heard that most, if not all, Pharmaceutical drugs are petroleum-based, so back to that business model. The Rockefellers were peddling oil, and they just opened up a whole other market by opening up. If the name Rockefeller isn’t familiar to you, I would highly suggest there is a great documentary by James Corbett called Rockefeller Medicine. As Jeremy said, “It’s only a little more than 100 years old.” A little more than 100 years ago, we were all humans. Worldwide, we’re practicing ancestral homeopathic natural ways of taking care of themselves. Industry came in by the way of the Rockefellers, and it turned into this petroleum-peddling monster.

It’s more nefarious than that. It was deliberately set up by a Flexner report funded by the Carnegie, which is Rockefeller money, to basically go because osteopathy, chiropractics, homeopathy, herbalism, and naturopathy were more successful and more used than what were then the chemists or the pharmacists, or the doctors of the time. It was designed to go out and destroy those industries.

What they did was they set a report which was not accurate, and that everybody should have a standardized education. The way to get a standardized education bankrupted most of those universities and colleges from the get-go. The only way you could survive was to get a grant from the Rockefeller Foundation, and you’d only get a grant if you had someone from the Rockefeller Foundation or Carnegie on your board.

Bit by bit, the rotten apple got in, and everything that used to be brilliant was watered down. Most chiropractic, osteopathy, and herbalism are a watered-down, poor cousin of what it was. It set up a business model that modern medicine became legally by governments and worldwide as the primary care. It’s a business model. Let me just finish very quickly, Hilda. Ask yourself this simple question.

When you go back to basic journalism of following the money, pharmaceuticals are a bigger business than any other business on the planet, by far. What do you need if you’re in that business? You need sick people. How do you make people sick? You educate them stupid, and they’ve done a good job over the last 100 years. Weston Price has done a fantastic job of trying to rectify that.

Let’s not just gloss over the fact that you have to go to their universities, which the Rockefeller Foundation has slowly but surely taken over all university boards. You’ve got to go to their universities to get their certification, to work in their medical facilities. It’s like Jeremy keeps saying, it’s a business model. If you go against that business model, you’re going against a huge monolith monstrosity of it is more powerful than governments. It’s all intertwined. It’s this big, massive economic engine that if everyone were well, that engine wouldn’t run very well. They have to keep people sick

I just want to jump on that as a final point. If we had a healthy environment, when someone like me comes along, the doctors or the governments with my success rate, they should go, “That’s interesting. How did you achieve that?” They don’t, as you well know, I’ve been canceled from every platform. My ability to transact has been canceled over and over again. Why? Not because I’ve not been successful, it’s because I have been successful.

If we had an environment, which I think MAHA will be and has the potential to be, they would be not standing up in Congress or Parliament saying how many people they helped this year. They’ll be standing up saying how few people they needed to treat this year because the definition of a true doctor and doctor means teacher is you should be getting them off the medication and not needing to pay you.

Understanding The Power Of Marketing

What I love is you’re actually living up to the moniker of doctor, both of you, because you are teaching, you are educating, and you’re inviting questions. You’re not saying these are the only answers. You’re planting seeds for people to take ownership of their own health. John, I was going to say you, with your background in the entertainment industry, understand also the power of marketing because not only did the Rockefellers pour all this money into this training and into this economic engine, as you were saying, but they also maligned the former medicine that people turned to. They started bad-mouthing it for lack of a better word and calling it quackery.

Look at how well, now I will compliment them, they are expert marketers because look at what they did. They’re human beings. I bet you 95%, if not more, of the people listening to this, this audience is probably a little more learned than most, but the vast majority of people. When you say the term healthcare, look at what people think of. They think of healthcare as being something that they get through their employer. Healthcare means to most people access to government stuff, government services. Where it’s like, is there any more precious responsibility that every one of us has than our own health? Again, the power of marketing, why would we possibly offload that precious responsibility to a third party and say, “Here, my healthcare is now your responsibility.”

It’s also why the words are important because it was called dis-ease for a reason. Doctor originally does mean teacher. If you’re in any state of dis-ease, the teacher is meant to show you where you’ve gone off track, gone wrong, or offended nature. When John said, which I say frequently, we’re the only animal that doesn’t know what to eat, we have been educated stupid. We’ve also been educated to be indoors in front of electronics and electrical frequencies, which completely disrupt, along with the artificial light, how your hormones are regulated and released in your body.

This is why if anybody comes on and ever joins our membership and our 90-day challenge, every vlog I do is outside. I’m famous for saying, “Get your _____ outside.” Even if it’s just standing on a balcony in a high-rise, horrific building, you need the light. Weston Price would have known is he wouldn’t thought of these problems. If you don’t get natural light, your chances of being thriving, let alone healing, are much reduced in spite of what you eat.

That is why hospitals are so dangerous. You’re under artificial light. You’re breathing crappy air. Even the windows have UV coating on it, which will kill all that precious sunlight that could have gotten in. You mean gross water, chlorinated water, gross food, like everything about.

Look at the nurses and doctors, they look so unhealthy to me, and I know that they struggle with these things. I appreciate the people who go into the profession wanting to help people, and yet somehow the industry and the education reshape them into these people that follow the rules, and they can no longer bust out. I love your invitation for us to do this.

I don’t mean to be unkind, but it does shape them into drug dealers. I’ve been told by learned people within the profession, there’s a lot of silent quitting because they know they cannot become the doctors and nurses they wanted. They do silent quitting. They leave and go and do something else. I’ve had hundreds and hundreds of nurses talk to me, and since COVID, and I think it’s accurate to call it that, we’ve had more and more doctors who woke up and saw what was going on reach out to us.

They want to be doctors and they want to be nurses. This is why MAHA and we’ve launched a mission to make a million people well again ourselves. The energy has to be, “That’s interesting. How did you do that?” We need to start, that’s what John and I are about. Get the conversation in the public. Get it out there for the benefit of all, not your ego or your salary.

Taking Full Control Of Your Health

I love that. Tell us a little bit more about this approach and how you are helping to empower people to break out of the matrix. We said asking questions is a good start, and realizing and seeing things for how they are. What else? Get outside, you said. What else can we do to really step out and take ownership?

This is going to sound like a shameless plug, and it really isn’t because we don’t want any money and we don’t even want your email address. If you go to Naturally Better 4 You, there is the, what I’m holding up is the anti-dependency guide. This is a guide that we put together, and it is chock-full of aspects of life that most of us have the ability to adjust and be more in control of our health, our self, our possessions, and our property.

Again, if you go to Naturally Better 4 You, scroll down, and there are some free downloads there. Get that Anti-Dependency Guide. It covers the gamut. We talk about water, light, EMF, grounding, healthcare, sourcing, physical goods versus digital, media, commercial versus private, which is a big one. The guide ends on probably my favorite topic of all, which is consent. The number of things that we are subjected to in mass that don’t have our consent is breathtaking once you have eyes to see it.

Speaking, John, I know, Jeremy, you want to add in a second, but let me just say what occurs to me is when you’re dependent, it’s comfortable. Let’s just say. If I work at my computer all day and I feel like I’m having trouble with my knee and then I go see a doctor and they give me a shot of something, it’s like, “I can just go somewhere and they give me something and I come back and I don’t have to change too much to become independent.” Sounds a little bit hard. Jeremy, can you speak to that? The red pill

Yes, you have the right to remain stupid, and I’ll fight for my dying breath that you have that. Also, unlike John, I am absolutely happy to be commercial and plug to join our membership. I’ll tell you why. In my experience, no one tends to do things unless they part with money. We’ve done free stuff forever, and we’ll continue to do free stuff, but you need to, at some point, go, “What?” I’m going to note that it’s a lot of money, it’s like $99 for three months and then ongoing, and it’s the best content I’ve ever produced.

We actually wrote a book, The Red Pill Food Revolution. Our first one was The Red Pill Revolution, about becoming uncomfortable because we’ve been made deliberately comfortable. The Red Pill Food Revolution book is, I think, an expansion of what Weston Price wrote. He wasn’t a great writer, but his information was great. We’ve expanded on what you’re designed to eat and how you’re designed, when you’re designed to eat.

Dr. Jack Kruse would argue, the only way to define food is if light has been involved in the process of it, from plants to animals eating plants and so on. Anything that hasn’t had a light touch is not food by definition. In answer to your question, we really have to go back to go forward. We have to look at our ancestors. We have to look at how we’re actually designed to live before the Industrial Revolution and electricity.

Our bodies cannot function and have not evolved enough to be in an electrical field 24/7. It is dehydrating. It is lowering your voltage. The artificial light, which also flickers, is misfiring your whole hormonal system. You just cannot. My God, if you start buying these virtual reality things that you put on your damn head, you’d better start getting some insurance because you’re going to need it. The bottom line is this, Hilda, and I know you know it, I know Sally knows it, we have to go back to how our ancestors lived and embrace technology in a way that actually enhances our life, not ruins it.

I’ll just finish here, but if you look at India and China, mostly they’ve been bumbling along relatively ill, but it’s only when the Wi-Fi and smartphones came in and they became technological centers, did it shoot up in almost vertical. Did they start getting auto-immune and bigger cancers and so on and so forth? This electrical life and artificial light are huge disruptors to health.

Of course, we’ve done many podcasts on this subject. I think I interviewed some folks, obviously Matt Maruca from Ra Optics, also Dewey Layman, who talked about how we are light eaters, a lot of things along this line, Thaddeus Owen, who’s also a Primal Hacker. I think it’s really important. You’re right. Dr. Price talked about food in his book, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. He didn’t talk about light because it was so obvious.

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It was a part of everyone’s life. All the people, the indigenous people, were exposed to the natural sunlight. They don’t have the issues we’re facing. I appreciate your challenge that something in our environment has to shift as well. It’s not just the food, it has other things. There are other factors involved in our well-being. Do you have anything to add to that, John, before we start to wrap up?

I have. I’m always good for an analogy or two. I’ll use the analogy of a house cat. Look at how many house cats. If you look at the bottom of a cat’s paw, those little pads aren’t decorative. Those are functional. How many house cats do you think have never touched the ground because they never go outside? Most house cats never go outside. They’ve never touched the ground. They’ve never laid an actual sunlight because the sun is coming in through the windows, and the windows have UV coating on it.

They’re not getting natural sunlight. They’re not drinking natural living water because they’re probably drinking tap water or worse, bottled water, so they’re not getting natural living water. They’re not touching the ground. They’re not exposed to sunlight. They’re not drinking natural water. Their food is probably grain-based. Most pet food is grain-based, and no mammal out there. A natural cat in the wild is not going to walk up to grain and start nibbling on it. They need actual food. They need meat.

How many of us live like house cats, where we never touch the ground, we’re never exposed to light, and we’re surrounded by radiation. Everything that has electrical current running through it radiates. I think people think radiation is this thing that only comes out of nuclear power plants. Anything that has an electrical current running through it radiates. Every bit of radiation has some effect on physical matter. It’s not all catastrophic, but it is all affecting our bodies on a cellular level in some way. Don’t be a house cat.

Get outside, drink real water, bathe in real sunlight, eat real food, breathe real air. It all goes back to that ancestral stuff. That’s why ancestrally, it’s not just in biblical text, but you can look in lots of older texts, people lived a lot longer. A lot longer than they’re living now. Now we’re lucky if we hit 80, 90 years old. This might sound crazy to people, but there are many ancient texts where people were living for hundreds of years at a time.

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What some people say is actually now. They always say, “Modern medicine has made it so we live longer.” We’re not living longer. You will appreciate this, Jeremy. We’re dying longer. We’re just prolonging the situation. You might have already answered my last question now, John, but I’ll pose it to Jeremy first, and then you can tag on. I always ask, if the reader could just do one thing, just one thing to improve their health, what would you recommend that they do? Jeremy, let’s start with you.

Get your _____ outside, and I mean it. Get your rubber sole shoes and throw them in the bin or get them earthed, and get leather sole shoes so that you’re earthing and getting the natural light as much as possible, particularly in the morning, midday, and afternoon. You’re getting the right light signals. I know it is one thing, it seems it’s more, but at night, start turning the lights off and go back to candles or red light bulbs or orange light bulbs without any blue light so that you release your melatonin.

Melatonin, which makes you sleep, but also makes you repair and detox at night while you’re sleeping, is only released in the absence of blue light. If you’ve got any of your posh, nice LED lights on, your blue screen on your TV or your smartphone, it won’t release for two hours. You’re not going to sleep, you’re not going to detox, you’re not going to repair, you’re going to age, and you’re going to continue getting sicker and sicker. Get your _____ outside.

Excellent advice. You’re speaking my love language. I love the light hygiene. I think it’s an overlooked aspect of well-being. What about you, John?

I’m going to tend to my answer to Jeremy’s. On top of getting outside and taking your light seriously, water. People need to take their water way more seriously. If water isn’t your number one priority in life, something’s off because we are mostly water. We are water beings. The water and the light have a symbiotic relationship. There are so many people who have never actually drunk natural living water.

They’re drinking tap water or, at best, I say at worst, bottled water. You need to get natural water. Probably one of the best things that I did for myself well over a decade ago was I haven’t had a drop of water on me or in me that hasn’t been distilled. It’s because we live in a distillation, Earth is a distillation unit. Water in its natural state is distilled. That’s the only way you can get all of the manmade crap, all the pharmaceuticals, all the residues out of water is to distill it. When you distill water, you get it down to being just water.

The only way to remove man-made crap from your water is to distill it.

Some people do wonderful things with water. They move it around, they energize it. There are many different ways. You can get deep into all of that, but if you are just drinking clean, distilled water instead of what’s coming out of your tap, which is absolute garbage, I don’t care where you live, I don’t care what filter system you have. Your filtering system isn’t taking hydrofluoric salicylic acid out, and it cannot be taken out by any other way other than distilling it. Take your water very seriously, and while you’re taking your water seriously, heed Jeremy’s advice and take your light very seriously. Those two things will literally change your life.

Powerful words to end on. Gentlemen, thank you so much for your time. I’m so grateful.

Thank you for having us.

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Our guests were John Gusty and Dr. Jeremy Ayers. You can visit their websites, The Red Pillow Revolution and Jeremy Ayres, to learn more and/or check out Naturally Better 4 You. For the transcript for our episode, visit our website, Weston A. Price, and click on the podcast page. Now for a recent podcast review from Apple Podcasts.

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Now I make bone broth, bake sourdough, ferment sauerkraut, and take my daughter outside for long chunks of time. None of it feels overwhelming because every step is built on the last one, and I don’t have any food addictions anymore, like smart foods, white cheddar popcorn, Oreos, fast food, etc. It’s crazy how that happens when you eat real satisfying food. I am so thankful for the wisdom shared here and the impact it’s made in my life.”

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About John Gusty

After over 30 years in the entertainment industry working “behind the curtain” for some of music’s biggest names, John turned his attention to health and wellness in an effort to help his wife heal from what was originally diagnosed as Multiple Sclerosis. He soon realized that the same deceit and profit motive that plagued the entertainment media was even worse inside the Medical Industrial Complex. As a devout agorist and champion of individuality, he now devotes his time to producing content that celebrates the spirit of sovereignty in all aspects of life.

About Dr. Jeremy Ayres

Dr. Jeremy Ayres, co-author of “The Red Pill Revolution,” passionately uncovers deception in the Medical Industrial Complex and its links to the Pharma and Food industries. Holding titles like Senior Practitioner of Physical Medicine and NaturoPractic Consultant, he merges Chiropractic, Osteopathy, and Naturopathy. Trained as a UK Osteopath, Jeremy, an International Natural Health Educator, guides numerous individuals toward natural healing. His mission involves blending Eastern wisdom with Western science, challenging medical manipulation, and advocating for holistic well-being to create a healthier world.