Beyond Blood: How To Address The Trauma Messages Your Body Is Sending You With Adam And Josh Bigelsen

“If we don’t understand how nature works, we’re just guessing at trying to fix things.” Adam and Josh Bigelsen provide insight today in how to listen to the body’s messages, in order to address them. If you have trauma (and, naturally, most of us do), it doesn’t mean just doing emotional work for healing. The physical has to be addressed as well.

Today the Bigelsen brothers, from the Bigelsen Academy, offer insights on what the body is telling us, along with uncovering the emotional ties behind cancer, rashes and hives, asthma and mononucleosis, for example.

This is a power-packed episode building on Wise Traditions podcast episode 523, which was the beginning of this conversation. You may want to go back and listen to that one for context and then follow it up with this one!

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Episode Transcript

Within the below transcript the bolded text is Hilda Labrada Gore and the regular text is Adam And Josh Bigelsen.

You know something’s wrong. Your body is sending you signals that something’s off. Your hair is falling out. You’re depressed, fatigued, and anxious. Maybe your back is hurting. You may have heard that emotional trauma could be at the root of what’s happening in your body, but this doesn’t mean that you simply address the emotional hurts for healing.

Our guest suggests that you must deal with a physical body to heal on all levels. This is episode 524, and our guests are Adam and Josh Bigelsen, the Bigelsen brothers. They started the Bigelsen Academy, continuing the work of their father, Harvey Bigelsen, who wrote the books Holographic Blood and Doctors Are More Harmful Than Germs. We are building on episode 523. You may want to go back and check out the previous episode so that you can get a framework for this conversation.

In this episode, Adam and Josh touch on blood, but we go beyond blood, diving into what they call true integrative holistic medicine. In other words, Josh and Adam discuss how to respond to the trauma our bodies have been through and the importance of attending to the physical in order to bring about complete healing. They cover how to interpret the body’s messages about what’s wrong and approaches for addressing it. They touch on the emotional roots behind cancer, rashes and hives, asthma, mononucleosis, and more. For example, you may want to read this very deep episode twice.

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Welcome to Wise Traditions, Josh and Adam.

Thanks for having us back.

We had to have you back because this is fascinating, mind-blowing information. Where we left off is that we did not start to dive into the patterns that you see, the patterns of disease that the blood is willing to reveal. Can you speak to that a little bit, Adam?

Pattern Recognition In Blood Analysis

Sure. This is what it’s all about. Our father observed things over long periods of time. Even when this first woman came to him, who was working with him side by side and showing him the blood, it took him a year before he believed what he was seeing. This is one thing that was nice about our dad. He was very left-brained. I’m not that guy. He was numbers-oriented. He was a math genius and things like this. It was all about patterns, seeing things over longer periods of time.

As he did this stuff, too, it was interesting because as we tried to teach some of the work at one point, Dad would say, “You look at the blood, and you look at your patient. You do this for a year before you start to tell people. If you want to learn about the blood, you get your microscope. If you have a good day, you look at your blood. If you have a bad day, you look at your blood. If you hit your head, you look at your blood.” Dad saw patterns, which was nice. That’s when he removed inconsistencies and saw what was consistent.

I did read the part in your book where your father was looking at the patient and looking at the blood. By doing that, he was able to see their facial expressions, the way their posture was, and the way all of it matched up. If their blood was tired, he could see it on their face. He became tuned in to what to look for. Is that right, Josh?

Power Of Observation In Diagnosis

Yeah. You don’t need the microscope to do this work. This gives us a different view into their world. From what I hear, and luckily, I haven’t had much interaction with traditional doctors, they’re not very personable anymore. You’re a clipboard, a number, or a lab test that sits. Back in the day, doctors used to do house calls. At least they got to know your terrain. They got to know your family. They got to know what you were living in. That gave them pieces to the puzzle.

With my father, and forgive me if I repeated this, he would generally go out to greet the patient and shake their hand. If they were sweaty, he knew they were in sympathetic mode. Right off the bat, are they in fight or flight? He would follow them to the office and watch the way they walked. That told them about the structure of their body at that point in time. When he took a drop of blood, he would watch the way it spread. That would tell him a lot. Before he even looked at the blood, he had a lot of information.

A lot of clues.

I even had mirrors set up so I could watch clients walk into the office. You’d watch them come strolling up to the office door, open the door, and start limping. You know that there’s the subconscious going on as well. It’s all about observation. Dad was observing patterns like the farmers we’ve worked with who are like, “Don’t touch your land for at least a year. Observe it.” Since we live in such a, “We need it now,” society, we’ve lost our powers of observation.

We live in such a ‘we need it now’ society that we’ve lost our powers of observation. We need to be as conscious and as present as we can be.

That’s true. I’m thinking of one of my friends who was a docent in a museum. If you run by a painting or, as they say, most people in museums who come to visit only see it for a minute, you are not getting the full picture. Maybe in this instant society, we think, “Something hurts, but I don’t have time to figure it out. I’ll pop a Tylenol.” We start doing everything so quickly that we’re not taking time to even see what signals our body is sending us that we could pay attention to.

It’s a question of us being as conscious as we can be and as present as we can be, which is not easy for us. We think we’re conscious and present. Even our history form is so funny. We have people fill out the history form, and there are clues on there that are awesome for us. It’s a unique history form, but then people will say, “I forgot I had my tonsils removed. Is that a surgery?” or, “I forgot my kidney was removed.” It’s like, “Come on. Really?” The patterns this way are very interesting.

We would do consultations. I talk to people. I help them hold themselves accountable. As we do this, I talk to people and say, “You went and saw a practitioner. What’d you notice?” They’re like, “Nothing changed.” I look at the history form and say, “How’s your neck?” They’re like, “My neck’s doing better.” I’m like, “How’s your digestion?” They’re like, “My digestion has been better also.” I’m like, “Your sleep?” The reality of me talking with these people is very valuable because people go through these things, and we don’t even realize we’ve had the change. It’s amazing. We’re such interesting creatures.

Josh and I are funny because we go into public and I smile at people and make eye contact. People don’t look at you very often in Mexico. In California, they don’t want to make eye contact. It’s like, “Do I know you? It’s uncomfortable.” Josh and I are walking down the aisle in the grocery store. There’s someone who’s walking in the same direction, and they move away to the side. Josh and I will even say, “Ignore me.” Pattern-interrupt people. We want to interrupt some patterns.

I like that. On that note, I wear hats a lot, and people smile at me. I thought, “Why is everyone smiling at me?” Sooner or later, I realized, “I stand out with a hat,” but I like it because it feels like we’re having a good connection there. That’s good for the health, too, right?

Pattern Interruption And Conscious Awareness

Definitely. Josh and I talked about this with me doing my silly walk in public. As I do this walking exercise, people look at me. It’s fine because if they’re laughing at me, I brought them into the moment. We’re so unconscious. It’s crazy. Going through New York and walking through the city, everyone’s on their phones. It’s amazing that no one bumps into each other. If you do, no one turns around and says they’re sorry. It’s interesting to observe. Even Josh and I, when we were younger, when we lived in San Diego, we’d hang out on the boardwalk. Most people are watching the girls in bikinis, which we did, but we played this game of Guess the Illness. It was like, “She needs an osteopath.”

Dad would teach us how to observe people. “You see why that person has heart issues. They’re going towards Parkinson’s because their arms aren’t moving when they’re walking.” You start to notice the actual patterns that are going on. I like the fact that Dad brought up the history form because there are patterns Dad has noticed over time.

Your typical history form, whether it’s a traditional doctor or an alternative doctor, has a list of 1,000 symptoms. You have to check the boxes. None of that is telling you what the cause of anything is. Dad was always adding to the history form. He’ll ask things that people didn’t think were a big deal, like, “Have you had a bunionectomy?”

Bunions are there to stabilize your equilibrium. Your pelvis is off. That’s why the body creates bunions. It was to stabilize your equilibrium. They go and cut those bunions off, so your whole equilibrium is thrown back off again. The act of the body-created bunions tells us a lot about the structure of their entire body, not the actual pelvis. It’s little things like that. Mononucleosis, which is related to your birth. We generally see that always in the teen years. Why is that, Adam? Why do people always get mononucleosis in their teen years?

This is an awesome one, too, Hilda, because this is a long-term pattern. When did Dad figure this one out, Josh? By looking at the blood and observing people. He noticed things. He noticed the belly button. The umbilical ligament is attached to the roof of the diaphragm and the pubic area. When you’re born in the United States, they pull on that umbilical cord and cut it close so you have a pretty little belly button. You have an innie. That’s the medical term. What happens, though, is it pulls the diaphragm down and the pubic area up. They cut it and tie it, and you’ve got scar tissue there. Scar tissue is stagnant. It’s not dead, but it’s not moving. You grow up, and this continues to pull the diaphragm down. This is one reason we lose our height as we get older.

The belly button is a scar, so it’s always contracting. We go through our teen years, and we’re trying to get taller and taller and taller. That umbilical ligament starts to pull the diaphragm down in the liver, and the liver backs up. This is what they call mononucleosis. It tells us a lot about their birth. If you had mono, then you knew that the birth was a little bit more off physically than they thought. Emotionally, there are patterns to the birth, too, but that’s a story for maybe another day.

This is a long-term pattern, Josh. This is neat because you’re born, and then fifteen years later, it’s like clockwork. Here comes mononucleosis. It doesn’t happen with everybody, because depending on which way, which way you were intrauterine, you’re going to pull different ways and things like that, too. This was a long-term pattern. I used to have asthma. I do not anymore. I get an awesome breath. Josh would say that Dad fixed half of his soccer team’s asthma when he was a kid with one treatment to the belly button.

The belly button is a scar?

The Belly Button: A Scar Holding Emotional And Physical Trauma

Yeah. It’s our birth scar.

What if it were handled differently? What if the cord were clamped and cut differently?

That’s why we love midwives. Midwives generally get it. In the United States, we have a very poor infant mortality rate because of the way babies are handled. In a lot of other countries, they do take care of the baby. They’ll leave 4 to 6 inches on the umbilical cord. After a week, it naturally falls off. They’re not trying to shine lights in the baby’s eyes and things like that. They’re trying to be quiet with the sounds because the baby’s been living in this muffled silence for a long time. Midwives get it.

There’s a great book called Birth Without Violence, which explains how most of us are traditionally born. It also explains steps that we can take to maybe make it a more gentle introduction into this world. The belly button itself is a scar. Scars hold on to the emotion of the trauma. We used to do a lot of scar treatments, but knowing when to work on those scars was paramount because you don’t know what the trauma was that caused that scar in the first place. The belly button is directly related to our birth trauma. It’s directly related to our parents.

Wise Traditions | Adam and Josh Bigelsen | Messages — Birth without Violence

This is so fascinating.

There’s so much that can be done by understanding the physical part of the belly button, the umbilical ligament, and then the emotional component that scars have.

The pattern here is that in the United States, we are born into a traumatic experience. It is not a happy thing for the child. From the day we were born, we came into this world with some trauma involved. They do the belly button thing, and then it gets locked in. We grow up, and we have to deal with these things. If people come across us and we get them to do this belly button treatment, it’s interesting because how often does their mother come up? They start crying. It’s all this emotion.

I had it happen not long ago. I set people up for these treatments. I say, “This is what may have happened.” She was like, “My mother was not good to me.” When this treatment happened, she came up crying, and then I understood why she was the way she was and why I needed to experience that. We’ve had people get their belly buttons treated. It’s like this exorcism sometimes. It’s pretty interesting.

If you do it the right way, the emotion comes out in a way that you can handle it. I worked with Dad for over twenty years. It was when I stopped working with him that I saw people getting these exorcism reactions. The healing crisis is not a good thing. The healing crisis happens when the doctor doesn’t know what they’re doing, they’re pushing the wrong buttons, or they’re being too hard with their treatment.

Healing crises can happen—especially when the doctor doesn’t know what they’re doing, pushes the wrong buttons, or is too aggressive with their treatment.

The goal is to push the person as hard as they can underneath their aggravation level. We would get criers, but it was this beautiful cry. It wasn’t a hysteric exorcism that was going on that I saw so many times working with other practitioners. As you treat that scar, it helps release the emotion in a very gentle way.

It’s a cathartic release. This is what I was going to ask you. All this is sounding a lot like German New Medicine. The work of your father and the idea of noticing these patterns of disease, how is it different from German New Medicine?

Releasing Emotional Trauma Requires Physical Work

German New Medicine is a small piece of what we do. For the most part, they’re on the right track. What was brilliant about data is seeing incorporated different pieces of the puzzle so you have a complete picture. German New Medicine, although it’s based on Old Eastern philosophy, has a very important piece of the puzzle. It’s that emotions happen, and they cause physical issues.

Where we tend to differ is that once the emotion causes a physical issue, you have to work on the physical to release the emotional. You can’t go talk about that emotion. That’s not working on the physical. We always incorporate body work, maybe even some breath work, some tai chi, or Qigong. You’ve got to work on the physical to release the emotional. That is a very big missing piece to the puzzle out there.

The physical and the emotional are intertwined, which is why you were saying the belly button is a scar, and that when people treat it, they have an emotional release.

As well as an energetic. It comes down to Steiner’s four bodies. They’re all involved there.

It’s very important, too, the emotional experiences. We are emotional beings. Emotions affect us in a huge way. Dad’s conclusion with cancer was that it was 1000% triggered emotionally. His lung cancer patients were all grief. His liver cancer patients were all anger. The pancreatic cancer is the toughest. That’s self-worth. The patterns even there that we saw were very interesting. Dad saw a lot of patterns. It was neat.

The thing is, there are so many interesting modalities out there. The blood brought everything together. What we do is very complementary to things that do work. There are things that don’t work. Most people don’t like us because the blood doesn’t change when they do certain things. You can have an emotionally traumatic episode, go to your therapist for years, and talk about it, or you can get on that massage table, and one day, you start crying because the massage therapist is helping you to physically release the emotions. If your therapist worked with a cranial sacral person, your therapist’s job would be a lot easier.

This is why, Adam, you said before that you are not saying everyone needs to come to you all to get their blood analyzed, because you understand these things are intertwined. Disease is caused by many factors. It doesn’t have to be just one approach to healing.

The Dance Between Physical, Emotional, And Spiritual Healing

There are different roads to the same place, but we know everything is all connected. You get a physical injury, and it affects you energetically. Emotionally, you get depressed. Spiritually, you’re like, “Why me?” You have low energy. It affects you physically. Emotionally, it brings you down. Spiritually, once again, you’re like, “Am I a victim?” Emotionally, when you’re down, does it affect you physically? Definitely. Does it affect your energy? Does it affect you spiritually? The last one, spiritually, if you don’t believe you can be better, there’s nothing we can do for you. It’s all connected. This is true integrative holistic medicine.

It’s a huge key. I’ll repeat it again. The emotion causes a physical issue. You have to take care of the physical to release the emotional. That is very necessary. Certain people have this great emotional tool, but they’re not working on the physical, so they’re not completing the puzzle. It’s very important.

Vice versa. I have a friend who is always itchy. I don’t know why she’s always itchy. Whenever she showers, these things crop up. It’s like eczema. I don’t even know what it is. She’s also anxious. I get the feeling that these things are intertwined. She’s trying physical modalities to maybe go after an emotional issue. I’m guessing. I don’t know.

It depends on what physical modality she’s using. If you look at one of the wonderful things the body does, if we ingest a toxin, the body’s first response is to eliminate it. Your breakouts and rashes are all wonderful signs of a great regulatory system. We don’t call it an immune system. It’s a wonderful regulatory system that’s going on there. If the body is continually expelling wastes from the actual body itself, you look at the areas where the waste is coming out, then that tells you a lot about where the areas have a lot of trapped stagnation. It gives you clues on what needs to be worked on.

Nervous rashes? Come on. How many people get nervous and get hives and things like that? There’s a pattern, Hilda.

The body is always cleaning. You’re breaking out in rashes. There has to be an internal frenetic energy that’s going on as well. Those people are going to be a little bit antsy because it’s coming out of the skin. We’re only seeing a part of what’s going on. There’s so much going on internally. As the body’s working so hard to heal, which is what’s going on with her, it’s a healing process, there’s this frenetic energy that’s going on. That’s the anxiety.

The Truth In Blood

Let’s get back to blood because that’s your specialty and your father’s specialty. I noticed that the book said the blood reveals our truths. Talk to us about how you can interpret the patterns that you detect in the blood.

The blood reveals the truth. What Dad would say is that there are no secrets in the blood. It’s all there. If you think about things like, in general, the cloning experience, if they cloned me, my clone technically should have my broken collarbone. They should have my attitude in such a way. This information is there. It was Edgar Cayce who turned him onto this. Edgar Cayce said, “The physician of the future will diagnose the condition of the entire body through one drop of blood.” We don’t diagnose, so there’s that.

There are certain textures that make sense with certain things. Some things are very obvious. He was brilliant. He had a lot of anatomy background. He had a lot of experience with a lot of different things. As he started to look at the blood, sometimes, you see this little blob in the blood, and it looks amorphous. You then see the kidney, and that makes total sense. There are a lot of patterns that have to do with the size of what we’re looking at in relation to the red cells. That’s one thing. If it’s big in the blood, it’s big in your body. Those simple things like that.

Did we explain what a hologram was last time at all?

I don’t know if we did, so go for it.

All matter vibrates at different frequencies. This is stuff that we know. Aluminum versus steel and things like that, or molecules moving faster or slower. In the body, everything has its own frequency or its own vibration. Everything is working together. It’s like this beautiful symphony. If something is out of balance, dysbiosis, it changes the frequency, and we can see that visually. It’s like a dissonance of music, two notes that don’t go well together. Even Josh would say bats and dolphins. Sound energy, things bouncing off. They’re able to see images perfectly without using their eyes. I’m not a physics teacher, but holograms are made by, more or less, bouncing light, refracting, and taking a picture of a disturbance field.

You did talk about this last time. It’s coming back to me. It’s like our body is sending something out, and it gets something back. It hits something because something’s amiss, let’s say. Something has disturbed the field.

Suppression Of Dark-Field Microscopy: Legal Battles And Industry Pushback

You got it. It’s a disturbance field in the body. There is a disturbance field. Something is off. When we look at the blood with the microscope, our microscope doesn’t send the light straight through the sample. It goes to the sides. It refracts. We have a disturbance field on the slide, and we have a microscope that is bouncing light in such a way. If you do the bright field microscopes, which of the normal microscopes go through the sample, you will not see any of these things. Did we say this last time? The term darkfield in the United States is owned by the Centers for Disease Control.

No, you didn’t say that last time. What does that even mean?

Exactly. Why do they own a term? Here’s the thing. There’s a CLEA law that talks about field microscopy. You are not allowed to use a dark field microscope in a dark room.

What? Why?

They have no idea what they’re talking about. Why would they not want us to see these things? It’s because we’re seeing, as Dad said in the book, the truth. We’re seeing what the body wants us to see.

When darkfield came over here from Germany, it was starting to make some good pushes. There were certain truths there. They wanted to try to regulate the darkfield practitioners. If you use the word darkfield, they could come and take your microscope because you don’t own that word. They don’t go after the darkfield practitioners because, as a whole, the work got bastardized. What they’re doing is they’re supplement salesmen. Who owns most of the supplement companies? It is the pharmaceutical companies.

Before, the truth that my father was raised in was going against their income. Whereas now, where the work is going in this ridiculous way, it’s bringing them an income because all people are doing is making these inaccurate observations so they can sell a supplement. They’re not going after these dark field people anymore like they used to go after people like my father. It’s a very interesting shift that we’ve seen.

We mentioned this last time. This is the live blood analysis experience. We analyze the blood live, but live blood analysis is a brand. It’s nutritional microscopy. As Josh said, they came after us. We got in trouble. The court case came in. Josh was there. They came in during business hours, and they took the microscope. They called the police, but the police laughed at Dad and Josh.

They took the microscopes. The deal was that the medical association had nothing to do with this whole experience, but in the end, when we had to pay our fine, we had to write the check out to the medical board. When we had to pick up our microscopes to receive them, we had to pick them up from the medical board.

In the Weston A. Price Foundation, we are always going rogue and choosing a different path than conventional medicine. What happens is you upset the apple cart or you upset the status quo, and the people in power who are making money off the backs of six people are threatened. This is not a surprise to me. Yet, what you’re talking about is so foreign to most of us, even in this alternative and ancestral health field, that I am surprised that anyone would see it still as a threat.

If you read Dad’s Doctors Are More Harmful Than Germs book, it didn’t make him a lot of friends in the medical world, but he supports trauma surgeons, paramedics, and nurses. He would say, “Don’t call me Eastern or Western. I’m not alternative. You don’t throw the baby out with the bath water experience.” When he was working with cancer, he was working with a medical doctor. The terrain was so clogged up with stuff, and you’ve got something growing. Someone’s got to cut it off. They work with the body naturally to support the things.

We’re not here to say all doctors are stupid. I don’t blame them. They’re trying to help people. I said this last time, maybe. Doctors want to help people. They want to drive a Porsche and golf on Wednesdays. There’s nothing wrong with that. They were trained wrong with most of the stuff, so it’s not their fault. They’re trying their best. Even Dad, as a Western medicine doctor, was able to incorporate certain things, but it’s an opposite approach. Things aren’t getting contaminated. There are no infections and things like that. It’s another pattern that Dad saw. People who say, “Western medicine is dumb,” there have been some awesome advancements. There’s something there depending on.

What do you think, Josh?

Adam has to remind me sometimes that I’m speaking in a public atmosphere. Dad was a fully trained surgeon. He used surgery as a last resort. Sometimes, it’s necessary, and then afterwards, you pick up the pieces, but you do everything you can to avoid that surgery. What we’ve found is that with traditional medicine and even with the newer age of alternative medicine, if you don’t understand how nature works, then you’re guessing at trying to fix things.

Traditional medicine is great with its trauma care. They know nothing about chronic care. Alternative medicine is going down that same path where there have become a lot of green allopaths. I generally don’t include acupuncture and Eastern philosophy in that. To me, that is traditional medicine. We’re also starting to see the schooling for acupuncture here in the US change, where they’re talking about killing parasites, which goes against the very beliefs of Old Eastern philosophy. We’re starting to see these shifts going on. Dad wrote a great article back in the day called Don’t Call Me Alternative. His message was that there is no alternative to the way nature works.

There’s no substitute for the way nature works; all we can do is support its process.

I like that.

Man has tried to enforce his will on nature. You’re never going to win that game. We preach Lamarck’s theory of evolution, where everything’s about symbiosis as opposed to survival of the fittest, which is combative. For us, we’re not traditional and not alternative. We’re terrain-based. We’re here to support nature.

Is it more than you and Adam? How many people are into this darkfield microscopy? How many people are looking at this blood and looking for the patterns in this way that your father established or learned about?

The Problem With Live Blood Analysis And Lack Of Standards

For us, anyone with a darkfield microscope at this point in time is not someone we would recommend you go to, unfortunately. It’s a sad thing for us. I’m going to Anarchapulco and I’ll be talking. There’s someone there who is going to do live blood analysis. I’m going to be on stage talking about how this doesn’t work. It’s going to be very interesting. With the live blood stuff, you can take a twelve-hour course, and then you think you know what you’re doing.

The regenerative farmers are getting these things, the people who are doing the permaculture. I heard about social permaculture. There are a lot of us who are looking to see this stuff. The people that we talk to who come to our courses and join our school of health and our webinars are looking. When you read that book, you’re going to start looking to support the terrain that supports you.

The reality is, in the practitioner world, we don’t recommend you see anybody else with a microscope. If you have microscopes and are doing live blood analysis, don’t take this personally. We’re happy to work with you, no pressure, but you have to be open to the fact that some of what you were trained in might not be right.

Josh, maybe you can tell us why it’s not aligned. I remember last time, Adam, you did say there’s a distinction between live blood analysis and what we’re talking about. Where has it gone awry, let’s say, Josh?

We’re not going to mention any names, but there is a person who pushed it, the United States, who stole some work from the Germans, then made up his own conclusions with the rest of the stuff he didn’t learn. There’s a lot of guesswork going on there. There are inconsistencies. As Adam says, people are taking a twelve-hour course, and then they’re teaching the course themselves. We’ve had people take a two-hour workshop, xerox the manual, and give that course themselves.

There are even dumb things like they’ll have one picture up there, and they think that’s a representation of what’s going on in your entire body. Some of your cells are a few seconds old, and some are up to 120 days old. You can focus on the older decomposing cells and say, “Your blood looks terrible.” Unless you’re observing patterns over a long period of time, and this is years we’re talking about, you’re not going to be able to observe these patterns.

Maybe it’s like this. Maybe it’s like a rookie detective working with the police. They come to a crime scene, see a thing of blood, and are like, “It was a stabbing.” They’re jumping to a conclusion. Maybe one time, it was a stabbing, but they haven’t been on the force long enough to know that there’s other stuff to look for.

There’s so much guesswork that you go to 10 different people and you’re getting 10 different answers. Even the single most important thing we see in the blood, the microzymas, which is like your Qi, your prana, or your life force, you’ve got schools teaching that they’re parasites. It’s a bad guess, but that fits into their paradigm.

That fits into their message, which is, “Be afraid of these things. Buy the supplement. Buy K22 over here.” The guessing has gotten so bad that we said, “We need to be separate.” We do a very basic blood course, but we don’t teach you unless you go through our thirteen-week courses. If you don’t understand the philosophy, your science is going to be garbage. You have to have philosophy before you can do the science.

What about the people who are going to these folks? Are they seeing any healing, or do you feel like it’s more like a patchwork situation?

Supplements Vs. True Healing Philosophy

These are the old days when Dad would say, “Can we open up the phone lines and have a caller calling? Let’s talk to them about what they think went on.” Here’s the thing. If something goes on and you don’t feel right, you take an antibiotic and feel better. They’ve pushed this thing deeper into your system. You don’t feel it anymore is one thing.

For other people, though, going to people for this type of work, you get your supplement. You then have a natural substance that can change something. For us, supplements don’t fix things. Supplements can help you manage things. This is what we’ve done. We’ve never sold supplements. You can be on them for a certain period of time while we go to the back of the dam and fix where things are coming from.

The reality is that we should not have to take supplements. It’s a different approach. It’s a different thing. I feel for people because we’re all looking, and there are some interesting things. I’ve seen scans. People do all these neat scans. The readouts or printouts are ridiculous as far as the amount of information that overwhelms somebody, and then they come up with a supplement or a homeopathic. That’s fine, but here’s the pattern we have seen.

Part of it is because of people who have reached out to us who have had the training and then said, “I’ve been doing this for about a year. All I’m doing is giving people supplements, and they’re not getting better. What’s the deal?” We have trained very few people, none of whom we would endorse or recommend that you go to, but that was one reason they reached out to us. For anyone that’s doing this work, if they’re conscious about what they’re doing over a period of time, they’re going to realize they’re never discharging someone. They’re never saying, “You’re good. Don’t come back.”

This is a good point here, too, and then we’ll move on from the live sell thing. As far as the supplement goes, from the right practitioner, they can be very complementary. They can be supportive. We’re on your side there. We’d rather have you get your vitamins from your food, but sometimes, you need some support while you’re going through it.

There’s a wonderful book called Nourishment by Fred Provenza, a wonderful farmer. He talks about observing nature. What they found is that when they would supplement the animal’s feed, the animal stopped eating that food in nature that had that actual vitamin. It’s exactly like people going into their vitamin C in the cabinet and not eating an orange.

The other part of that is when they would supplement the soil with additions, the plants developed very shallow roots and stopped making mycorrhizae connections. The way these things grow in the soil is the same way they grow in the body. We’ve got bacteria. We’ve got fungus. Platelets and fibrin grow like this mycelium network in our body. If we’re giving supplementation on the surface, we’re inhibiting in our own body these mycorrhizae and these fungal connections that are necessary to healing.

It’s interesting too, Hilda. Josh and I do our best to be as positive as we can with our message. There’s no fear when we’re looking at the blood. This is information we don’t believe in good bacteria or bad bacteria. We don’t want to say, “This modality is stupid,” but we feel for people at the same time. I had a friend who reached out. He had a very comprehensive scan done. They developed a homeopathic based on the scan, and there’s a yeast infection.

There’s a question. There’s fungal, so there’s something going on. I want to see the scan. There’s a lot of interesting information there, potentially, but the reaction is interesting. He’s asking me the question. I need to know a little more information. Why did he get the scan in the first place? What’s going on with him? What symptoms is he trying to alleviate? I need to look at his blood so we can see what’s going on and explain why this has happened. I feel for people, the people who are trying to learn things to help people and the people who are trying to get an education from going to the different practitioners. It gets confusing.

To be fair, you said these live blood analysis people and others are finding that they’re not helping people heal and say, “Ciao. Go take care of yourself. You’re good to go.” Are you guys able to see people heal and say, “Ciao.”

Real Healing And Discharge As A Goal

My dad’s brother was a real doctor, even though Dad was a surgeon. They didn’t get along at all. He asked my dad, “What’s your cure rate?” My dad said, “At least I have a cure rate.” The highest goal of a physician is to discharge your client. The people who saw my dad, if they were with us for six months, it was surprising. You get them going in the right direction, then you give them the tools after that. If the person wasn’t getting better, Dad was taught it was his fault, so he took it very personally.

You could almost always improve the quality of health. Even in Mexico, he had his cancer clinic. They had a 50% turnaround in stage four cancers alone at that point. Everybody’s on their own journey. All you can do is educate and help support them on their journey. With dad, if the patient wasn’t getting better, he took it personally, as did I. That’s the goal. You want to be able to see your client out for dinner. You don’t want to have to see them in the actual office all the time. It’s a process. Disease is a process, and health is a process. There’s no magic bullet. There are no protocols for healing.

There’s no magic bullet, and there are no protocols for healing. It’s a process.

I feel like this book, Holographic Blood, explains how disease is a process. What we need to do is pay attention to the small signals our body is giving us so that it doesn’t have to yell at us later because we weren’t paying attention. That might be a good place to start, even for people who don’t look into this blood stuff.

You don’t need the microscope to understand the terrain. It was Ray Archuleta, who’s from the Soil Health Academy, who said, “If you want to make small changes, you change the way you do things. If you want to make big changes, you change the way you see things.” What we’re doing with my father’s book and things like that is we’re hoping it shows you how to see things a little differently, and then things start to make sense with you. Everything is not so combative. Everything is not so anti. Everything is symbiotic.

It’s not a blood book. It’s more about the science behind it, which is great. It will give you tools to look at things differently and take care of yourself. Our goal is to get people to take accountability for their own health, first of all. Nobody’s responsible for me being sick. It is my responsibility. Once we understand how nature works and how to work with it, then it’s a much easier path for you. It helps you observe along the way the interaction between us and nature. We’re not separate from it.

We have to wrap up. I would love to ask you guys the question. I know I posed it last time, but maybe you’ll have a different answer. If the reader could do one thing to improve their health, maybe to collaborate more with nature as we’ve been saying, what would you recommend that they do? Adam, let’s start with you.

It was the same as last time. Get your ten minutes of joy every day. You’ve earned it. You deserve it. It’s good for your health. It’s very important. We could add to that what my girlfriend would say. “Do you want to be healthy? Take off your shoes, go outside in nature, and hug a tree, not romantically, but the grounding with the earth and what’s going on there, the negative ions from the tree, and things like that are important. Enjoy your day.” Dad said, “If you want to be healthy and your family to be healthy, get the kids to come home for dinner. Have them help you cook and set the table. Ask them about their day and have them help you clean.” Let’s be coherent with what’s happening all around us and enjoy life.

That’s wonderful. What about you, Josh?

Along the same lines. Get out. Be in nature and observe. Sit there and observe. One of my favorite dad quotes was, “If you’re too busy living and creating, you have no time to die, so go out there, be in nature, and observe the patterns. Everything in life has a pattern to it. Watch the way nature is working. It’s the same way that we should be working as well. Work with it. Don’t work against it.”

Beautiful words to end on. Thank you so much, both of you, on behalf of the Weston A. Price Foundation. It has been a pleasure.

Our pleasure. Thanks for having us.

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About Adam and Josh Bigelsen

Adam and Josh Bigelsen are the sons of Dr. Harvey Bigelsen who was a pioneer in the world of holistic medicine, and author of the groundbreaking books, Holographic Blood® and Doctors are More Harmful than Germs. Both brothers are international speakers, holistic wellness coaches and educators for the Bigelsen Academy. They also lecture and teach workshops.