The Defeat the Mandates DC rally was held on January 23, 2022. People from all walks of life, political affiliations, and ethnic backgrounds—firefighters, activists, doctors, nurses, lawyers, and more—convened to stand for health freedom. We asked a number of the speakers the simple question “Why are you here?” We compiled their answers in this behind-the-scenes peek of that momentous day.
In this unique collection of voices, you’ll hear from Dr. Pierre Kory, Jo Rose, Dr. Paul Marik, Dr. Ryan Cole, Dr. Paul Alexander, Dr. Richard Urso, Tricia S. Lindsay, Dr. Peter McCullough, Kevin Jenkins, and more.
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Restrictions are loosening. Mask and vaccine mandates are lifting. There are a lot of causes for optimism. We can’t help but wonder if a little gathering on January 23rd, 2022 in Downtown Washington, DC had something to do with this pivotal change of course. This is episode 356. This is a bonus episode highlighting a number of rapid-fire interviews that we conducted on the fly in Washington, DC at the Defeat the Mandates gathering. People of diverse ethnic backgrounds, political views, and vaccine status showed up on that day to stand for freedom and rally for it in peace.
Our guests are numerous. They include Kevin Jenkins, Dr. Richard Urso, Dr. Mary Bowden, Tricia Lindsay, Dr. Paul Alexander, Dr. Ryan Cole, Jo Rose, Dr. Peter McCullough, and more. They are firefighters doctors, activists, lawyers, nurses, and even one young woman who was vaccine injured. What they have to say may fire you up, inspire you, and/or motivate you to take action. I hope so because health freedom is worth defending.
We may need to apply lessons learned from the past in the not too distant future. Please note before we dive into the conversation that guests at this rally express a variety of views that may not necessarily align with those of the Weston A Price Foundation. Nonetheless, we do align on this one important point, the public’s right to health and medical freedom. Here’s a huge shout-out to Cheryl Paswater, a functional medicine health coach and master fermentationist who happened to be my sidekick on this amazing day in January 2022.
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Our guests in order of appearance are Dr. Finn from New York, Dr. Pierre Kory, Jo Rose, Dr. Paul Marik, Nicole Sirotek of Frontline Nurses and allies, musician Joseph Arthur, Dr. Ryan Cole, Rick Sterl of Operation Freedom of Choice, a firefighter from DC, Dr. Mary Bowden, Mona, a young woman who has been vaccine injured, Dr. Paul Alexander, Dr. Richard Urso, Tricia Lindsay, Dr. Peter McCullough, a vaccine injury treatment alliance representative, and Kevin Jenkins. Go to TheHighWire.com and type Defeat the Mandates in the search bar to know more riveting speakers and speeches from that day. You can find me at HolisticHilda.com.
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I’m here at the Defeat the Mandates event. I’m with a woman who is going to tell me why she’s here. Tell us your name and where you are from.
I’m Dr. Finn. I’m from New York. I’m here to spread the truth and educate people as to what true science is so they can make an informed decision on their health because that has not happened up to now.
What do you mean by true science?
True science is the data and the actual historical consensus of science that has been ignored, such as natural immunity and the fact that doctors, according to the FDA Modernization Act of 1997, can prescribe approved off-label drugs. All of a sudden, in 2022, we cannot. They are not allowing us to treat patients when they are presenting with symptoms that we know how to treat. They are told to go home until they can’t breathe and go to an ER. That is not treatment.
It’s no wonder why they start to fail in the hospitals because they are not getting preventative treatment. They are responsive treatments.
When you don’t hit it early, a cascade occurs that goes into a massive inflammatory stage of the disease. At that point, it’s like standing in front of a train. It’s hard to do. The idea is an early treatment to prevent the train from leaving the station.
There are a lot of people here and choppers flying overhead. Are you going to be speaking from the stage or are you taking opportunities like this alone?
I’m going to be speaking from the stage. We are trying to explain to the world that 17,000 physicians and scientists have signed our declaration. It’s a simple declaration of three major points that we all agree on. We are not fringe clinicians or scientists. We are mainstream and always have been. It’s because we question the path that they have taken for the last two years that we have been relegated to the fringe.
What are the three points?
The first point is that we need to let doctors treat their patients and not get in the way of the doctor-patient relationship. The second point is that natural immunity cannot be ignored. You cannot treat someone who is naturally immune to disease differently than someone who received a vaccine for something based on a small portion of the disease that you are fighting. We have never ignored it. We have always considered it.
You run titers to see if you need a booster for something. It has never been completely trashed the way it has been. The third point is that children are off-limits for this vaccine. The infection itself poses no risk in these children. They cannot prove with data an appreciable benefit to taking a vaccine, let alone two vaccines in a booster. All we can show is a clear risk. You are putting your children at risk for nothing. We say no to giving this vaccine to children under any circumstance.
Has there ever been another point in history where doctors, scientists, and data have been cast aside for some other agenda?
Yes, there has been. It started in the 1980s with the same players that are involved now. Similarly, the same players would block a known treatment and approved off-patent cheap treatment to make way for a new unknown and not-proven-safe therapeutic that ended up killing quite a lot of people.
What was it in the ’80s? Speak plainly so we can know.
That would be HIV. That would be Dr. Fauci’s initiation and facilitation of ACT into the HIV-positive population when Bactrim DS would have done quite well for pneumonia. He blocked the use of Bactrim, so more patients would die to increase the pace of approval for the most toxic compound to ever be used in a human being.
You are speaking out. What would you say to the regular person who’s like, “I want to do something. I have this information as well but I don’t know what to do.”
I’m telling everybody out there to think globally but act locally. You have to organize in your communities. You have to get involved with the school boards and educate them on everything from masks and lockdowns to vaccination. You have to get the numbers behind you to make a difference, fight back on your local legislation, and change their minds. It’s not going to happen on the Federal level. At this point, we have a state-to-state and locale-to-locale fight on our hands. You have to get involved. There’s no sitting on the sidelines with this.
Thank you for getting involved. Dr. Kory, tell me why you are here.
I’m here to fight against the corruption and the capture of health agencies. I’m trying to protect people from dying. They are dying in numbers we have never seen before. We are being starved of that information. I’m here to provide the correct information.
I saw a lot of crosses in front of the Washington Monument showing that all these people are dying of COVID. That’s not news.
It’s not news but it’s not stopping. They are continuing to die. They are dying because of the lack of a free flow of information. We have critical lifesaving information that’s not getting out. It’s being censored, distorted, and suppressed. We are doing an endless stream of propaganda. We need to have an open and honest scientific debate with critical lifesaving information. That is not happening.
We have an opportunity here on the show for you to share a little bit of that lifesaving information. What is that information that’s being withheld that you think needs to be known?
We say no to giving this vaccine to children under any circumstance.
The critical and most important information is the fact that there are low-cost available decades-old drugs that are highly effective at treating this disease. That information is what is being suppressed. We are being told that we need to use novel, barely tested, high-cost and dangerous medicines that don’t work. We know what works. It’s older, not profitable medications. That’s the information that needs to get out.
Do you think there’s this push for the other stuff because it is profitable for the pharmaceutical companies?
That’s exactly what it’s about. We live in a society that has been taken over by the pharmaceutical industry, and its relentless and unquenchable thirst for profits. Those profits are killing people. They are putting profits before patients. They have captured our agencies and we need to take them back.
When did you have an a-ha moment? Something is off here. These companies have taken over with this propaganda machine and people are dying.
From the beginning, their first steps out of the gate have been questioned. They have never made sense. The first time they said, “Don’t use hydroxychloroquine, unless you are in the hospital,” never made sense. That is not scientific. It’s an antiviral drug. They are telling you to use it two weeks into the disease. That did not make sense. That’s one example of many. Every time that we have come up with a reasonable, low-cost, and non-obscenely profitable solution, we are told that is wrong and to not use it.
Is your reputation at risk because you are stepping out and speaking up?
My reputation has been relentlessly attacked for a year. I have lost three jobs as a result of my advocacy but I don’t care. I’m going to speak the truth. People are listening. People understand that it’s not my character that is deficient. It’s the health system’s response. I’m speaking up against that health system and I will continue to do so. I don’t care how many jobs I have to lose to do it.
Is there a chance that this is going to turn around, people are going to hear this information and something will switch? What do you think?
I can see the numbers of people that are reaching out and starting to question and understand that they have been told lies for years. Those numbers are increasing every day. We will reach a critical mass and turn this around. It is happening.
Thank you for being part of that movement. We are so grateful.
Thanks for having me.
Jo, I’m so glad you are here. Tell us why you showed up.
I’m here because I have been fighting against the mandates since the very beginning. I’m from New York. I and thousands of other people lost our jobs because of the mandates. We are not allowed to go inside restaurants or other public places. I’m here to speak on behalf of the many people that have been affected by the mandates to send a message to the politicians that this needs to stop. We can’t continue to move forward with these unconstitutional mandates.
Do you think the tide is turning?
I believe so because I have seen even people that are vaccinated join the movement. They took one dose. They don’t want to take the second or took two doses and they don’t feel like they want to get a booster anymore. People are clashing up because they are talking about a potential fourth vaccine. People are saying, “You told me that if I take two, this was going to stop. That’s not the endgame.” More people are joining our side. People need to understand your vaccination status does not matter. This is for us to have equal rights and have the right to choose.
When did you decide, “I don’t want to get vaccinated. I want that freedom?”
From the very beginning of March 2020, I took it to my social media account because I knew that once the government starts to shut down things and restrict your movement, something was up. They are not supposed to do that. Regardless if there’s a certain state of emergency or not. It’s unconstitutional. I knew that the mandates were going to come and that they were going to do travel bans. I tried to warn people. From the beginning, I said, “Whatever vaccine is going to come out, I’m not doing it.”
Eventually, I ended up getting the virus, so I have natural immunity. From the very beginning, I said, “This is wrong. It needs to be stopped.” I protested against the mandates and told other people that we need to stop it at the mask mandate because essentially, they were going to continue to add more mandates. Once you show abusers that they can get away with abuse, they are going to continue to add more abuse.
That’s such a good point. I’m thinking of a person who might feel rather timid and does not feel like they have your boldness. What would you say that they could do to stand up for their rights even in a small way?
Even if you don’t have the courage to speak out, you can start by taking small actions. If you don’t feel comfortable wearing the mask, for example, start going out with no mask on. Little by little, it takes a process. Courage is not something that is developed overnight. It takes time. With a little bit of action and movement, you can make a change and start leading the way to show other people not to be afraid.
You still live in New York. You are still in this situation. Do you go into restaurants and hope for the best?
There are some restaurants that are not enforcing the mandates. The majority are. I have gotten arrested in December 2021 because of that. I had to go back to court. I don’t care. I should not have to ask permission. We all deserve to be equally treated. There’s no law that says that you must show your medical records to enter a public establishment. Even if it was a law, when tyranny becomes the law, rebellion becomes duty. It does not matter either way.
Thank you so much for these moments. I appreciate what you are doing. Keep it up.
Thank you so much.
I’m with Dr. Marik. Tell us why you showed up.
It’s because I had no option. We have seen enough death, misery, and dying. The Federal Government, the CDC, and NIH have lied to the American people. This is a treatable disease. There are things people can do to empower themselves so that they don’t get COVID. If they get COVID, they could treat themselves early. The CDC and the NIH do not want people to know about this.
Why is that?
They want to instill fear. Fear breeds extreme measures like vaccination, Remdesivir, Paxlovid, and all these expensive drugs. Do you ever hear the Federal Government talking about vitamin D? It’s one of the most effective ways to protect you against COVID. We know if your vitamin D level is more than 50, your chances of dying of COVID are approximate zero. Why are we not giving vitamin D to our elderly population and people in long-term care facilities? Why don’t we do that? They don’t want to talk about cheap, effective, and safe ways of improving people’s health and immunity.
Why don’t they?
It’s because they follow the money. Who’s going to make money selling vitamin D? I can buy a bottle at my pharmacy for $2. They are making a profit. If you look at Remdesivir, it’s $3,000 a course. If you go to all these new drugs we are talking about, it’s $1,000. Whereas if you look at Ivermectin, which is one of the safest and most effective drugs, the WHO has access to Ivermectin at $0.02. A 6-milligram tablet costs the WHO $0.02. I want you to know about that because this is all about power, profiteering, control, and money.
Have you always suspected that these agencies did not have our health at heart?
Not really. COVID has highlighted that because it’s clear that the FDA is working for Big Pharma and not for the American people. You have to look at the approval of Remdesivir, Paxlovid, and all of these new drugs that are toxic. Can you believe it? These are toxic drugs. Remdesivir kills people and increases your risk of death and getting kidney failure. It’s a toxic drug and it was approved by the FDA.
Did you say from the stage that you were prevented from treating patients with treatments that you knew were effective?
Yes. My hospital banned me from using drugs that I had used effectively to treat my patients. It’s a moral and ethical outrage.
That had probably never happened to you in your entire career.
I had never heard of such a thing. Doctors should be doctors. They should be allowed to prescribe medicines they think are in their patient’s best interests. It’s an outrage that the Federal Government, state agencies, and hospitals are telling doctors how to practice medicine. This is a sacred relationship between the patient and the doctor. They should decide what’s the best course of treatment. We are not telling doctors what to do. Let them decide for themselves what’s best for their patients.
Where do we go from here? How can we turn around this situation where the Federal Government and these agencies are intervening in that sacred relationship?
We need to increase public awareness. The American people have been indoctrinated. They read the Lay Press, Medical Press and watch TV. They are all lying. They are all under the control of Big Pharma. Sixty percent of mainstream media is supported by Big Pharma like Pfizer. They are protecting their income. They could not care two shuts about the health of humanity. The American people have to wake up and realize what is going on. It needs to be a grassroots uprising.
Let’s say I’m this regular person, which I am. I’m looking for a way to be a part of that tidal wave to turn things around. What should I do? What’s a small step I could take in the right direction?
Being here is important because we are like-minded people who are interested in the truth. Ultimately, the truth will prevail and come out. We have to be advocates. We need to speak the truth. We need to speak to our friends and colleagues because most of them are indoctrinated. We need to try and convince them that the narrative that they are being told is false.
What about this? If they are not convinced, in the end, the truth will prevail. They will see with their own eyes. The people who got this injection or did not get the early interventions are dying. Those who have been taking care of their health in more natural ways are making it.
Have a look at what’s happening. There was a study in Denmark that showed 80% of people with Omicron were vaccinated. The vaccine is not working. It does not protect you against Omicron. What are they telling you? “Get vaccinated.” Are you insane? Are these people stupid? It does not work. Why would you be vaccinated with a vaccine that provides no protection against this variant? That’s complete insanity. What are they telling you? Vaccination. Why? They make money from it.
Thank you for your part in waking the public up. We are so grateful.
Thank you for being here.
Even if you don’t have the courage to speak out, you can start by taking small actions.
It’s my pleasure. I‘m so glad you are here. Why did you come?
We came here to talk about the inappropriate, negligent, and poor medical care that patients are receiving in the hospitals when they get a COVID diagnosis.
Is that still happening, Nicole? You and I spoke a while ago.
It is still happening. It has come at an accelerated rate where you don’t even get care if you have COVID.
How is this possible?
Honestly, they keep saying, “We are following the orders. These are our protocols.”
How many Frontline Nurses are with you who are for freedom?
We have five of our inner group but we have thousands across the country.
I’m so thankful for each of you for coming out. Tell me what made you join this group.
I have been a nurse for years and I have never in the history of my whole career seen anything like the gross negligence that has been happening in our hospitals. I am a proponent of safe medical care and that’s not happening. We need to have all of these nurses band together to get safe medical care across the country.
Were you told to leave your position because you were not willing to get vaccinated?
I was not because I left before COVID happened. I worked for myself. I’m the owner of The Patriot Wellness store and we have aligned with the Frontline Nurses. I have been doing that since before COVID. It was a godsend that I did not have to put myself through all of these mandates.
Many nurses have been in that situation, is that not right?
Yes, a lot of them.
Why are they being told that there is this big crisis in healthcare that there are not enough beds in the hospitals? Is that the case?
It’s not the case of beds. It’s staff to run the beds. It’s because they have let so many people go and people like me that saw the writing on the wall and walked away before they were mandated that there’s not enough staff for the beds. There are plenty of beds. There’s not enough staff.
It’s the way they phrase it. There are not enough beds but there’s not enough staff. It’s because they have not been willing to have unvaccinated employees.
However, they will bring in the travel nurses that are unvaccinated because they do not go against their numbers for CMS. If their employees don’t meet their quota, they will be let go. They will restaff with unvaccinated nurses because they travel and do not go against their mandate numbers for CMS.
It makes no sense but I’m so glad that the word is getting out. I appreciate each of you for what you are doing. Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for having us.
I wanted to ask you why you are here.
It’s because I’m supporting the cause of freedom and speaking out about mandates and humans’ abilities to choose what they do with their bodies and keeping their God-given sovereignty in support of all that.
Why is that so revolutionary?
It should not be. That should be the most basic thing in the world. The fact that anyone would support mandating an experimental injection is insane. I don’t know how anyone is doing that or how people’s minds have been broken down to the point where they could acquiesce to that. That’s madness. In due time, it will be blatant that that’s mad. Anyone who has stood for mandating experimental drugs to children or anyone will have a hard time living that down.
Bands and musicians who coerce their fanbases to get experimental injections to see them perform will also have a hard time living that down. Bruce Springsteen, Rage Against the Machine, and the Foo Fighters will have a hard time living it down. Any band that coerced their fanbase to get an experimental Big Pharma and government injection to come and see them play will have a very difficult time living that down. They should be reminded of the fact that that’s what they did because it’s criminal.
What made you decide to stick your neck out? There are people that think you are on the wrong side of history. What made you decide, “I’m going to step up and speak out about this?”
I don’t know who thinks I’m on the wrong side of history at this point. The tides are turning. It seems pretty obvious. The wake-up is happening. Bill Maher came out of the Liberal closet and started saying, “This is going to be a moral catastrophe in the future. Young people will see it that way.” I don’t see how that’s hard to see. It’s so obvious and basic. The experimental injections are not working and preventing anything. If you want to go get it, go get it. I’m still your friend. I have plenty of friends who have gotten it. That’s their right. That’s great.
I could still be your friend. The problem is when you start trying to talk about mandating, kick people out of cafes in New York City who don’t get it, destroy people’s livelihoods and ostracize people from communities who don’t want to get it. That’s where the problem comes in. Anyone who thinks that’s the wrong side of history has a screw loose. God bless you. I love you. I wish you well. If you think that’s the wrong side of history, you are sorely mistaken. Get back to me in a year’s time and see if you still think that.
You are an artist. Do you sing about this stuff?
Yeah. I wrote an anthem that I might sing on the stairs of the Lincoln Memorial, “You don’t get to tell me what to put inside my body. The only thing you can mandate is love. You don’t get to tell me if you are sick, insane or healthy. The only thing you can mandate is love.”
Thank you so much for your time.
You are very welcome. My name is Joseph Arthur.
It’s to mandate a shot for something that you have already had. Omicron is different. These shots are 100% ineffective against Omicron. The kids don’t need this shot. Omicron is here. It’s a new disease. These shots have all risks and zero benefits. You are putting your child, immunity, and future health and wellness at risk. We don’t know the long-term effects. The kids don’t need it anyway. Most of them were COVID-recovered from the get-go.
What do you mean COVID-recovered? I have not even heard that term.
That means had COVID. They have gone through the disease and have immunity. They have T-cell memory and antibodies. Their bodies are going to be able to recognize it. The thing is all these other variants are gone. Omicron is here. It does not affect the lungs. Kids survive COVID 100%. Healthy children do not die from COVID. They don’t need a shot. Why would we experiment with something they don’t need?
Is your point of view being heard? Why are the agencies and even the government getting all involved in suggesting that all the children be vaccinated?
If you want to know what’s going on, follow the money. If you want to know the truth, look at who’s being silenced. The truth is they don’t need it. That is science. It will harm them, not help them.
Thank you so much for your time and for the way you are advocating for the children.
It is my honor. Thank you.
I’m Rick Sterl, Operation Freedom of Choice. We are Florida Firefighters. We started fighting the mandates in Florida when they were looking to go after about 7,000 firefighters that were unvaccinated and terminate them for failing to take the vaccine. With Governor DeSantis and great support through his leadership, they have been able to stop this. However, they are putting a new legislature going after our renewal for our EMT paramedic license. They are going to require you to be vaccinated for that. That’s the next fight that’s coming for us in Florida.
However, we stand here with a lot of New York firefighters that are out of work. They have been out already for months with no pay for failing to get the vaccine. Washington, DC has been given written notice. They have almost 300 firefighters here in DC that are about to be terminated for their position. These are all short-staffed departments. When they go terminating more positions, who’s going to be there to run the calls when they are shutting RIGs and firehouses down? You are not going to have people to run the calls.
In other words, we are cutting off our noses to spite our faces. We are saying, “These guys should leave because they are not getting vaccinated.” We are putting our lives at risk because of the fires.
We call it the heroes to zeros. We have always been heroes going through the entire pandemic for firefighters, law enforcement, nurses, and doctors. We all work through this whole thing. Nobody had an issue with us doing it through the height of the pandemic. Now that it’s getting further down the line, if we don’t get vaccinated, we are terminated. It’s sad.
What hope do the firefighters have?
In the beginning, we should have allowed people to exercise an actual immunity.
We all love our jobs. We love serving the community that we work in. We want to go back to work and do the job.
Do you think there’s a chance that this mandate or requirement is going to be overturned?
We hope with the support of everybody here in DC coming together with the teachers, pilots, and everybody to get this. Hopefully, everybody stands united and makes it happen.
I hope so, too. Thank you so much for your time.
Thanks for coming out. Will, how long have you been a firefighter?
It’s a little over five years in 2022.
What made you get into it?
I have always wanted to be a firefighter. They are not always hiring here in DC. When they opened up, I’ve got in.
What’s happening? What’s required of firefighters?
I’m yet to be vaccinated. They are trying to fire those that are not vaccinated in DC. There are almost 300 of us that are not vaccinated. They are in the process of trying to get us fired.
How are you trying to fight that?
Most people have submitted a religious exemption for that. That’s going through the legal process.
What hope do you have that this will be successful?
I believe it will be, especially with the Omicron variant that came out. Eighty percent of the people that are testing positive in our department are vaccinated. For those that are not vaccinated, they are providing negative tests before assuming duty. There’s no logic anymore to say that you have to be vaccinated again, especially with 80% of people testing positive in our department being vaccinated. Hopefully, at some point, the lights will go off.
The truth will come in. They will see that there’s no point to this. The other thing is that because so many vaccinated firefighters are testing positive, they are not notifying people if they do come into contact with a firefighter that’s positive. It’s hard to see how they will win in court saying that we are the public health threat when they are not even notifying people when they come in contact with positive firefighters that are vaccinated. We will see.
I’m so glad that you are standing strong together. We are rooting for you.
Thanks, Will. Dr. Bowden, you are suing the hospital in Houston. Why?
It’s a matter of trying to get some more transparency during this pandemic. Under the Freedom of Information Act and the Texas Business Code, nonprofits are required to give the public access to their financial information when requested. I would love to get all their clinical data as well but this is a start to try to get all the financial information and find out.
Did they have any financial ties to the vaccine companies? Are they being rewarded for intubating people and using remdesivir? Are there executives getting monetary windfalls and bonuses from this? Houston Methodist is a charity with over $4 billion in assets. That was in 2019. It would be interesting to know what growth they have seen financially since the pandemic started.
What made you want to dive into their financial records?
There are several things. They came after me and suspended my privileges because I promoted a safe, effective, and off-label medication to treat COVID. They suspended my privileges and announced it on Twitter. I’m a solo physician. I have a few thousand patients in my practice. I’m very loosely affiliated with Methodist. I’m not an integral part of their hospital but they made it sound like I was going against their dictates. I’m not on their payroll at all.
Your protocol was working.
I have not had any patients admitted to their hospital. As I announced, I have never admitted a patient to their hospital.
They were bitter.
That got the ball rolling. They thrust me into the public spotlight. This is my way of fighting back. Even before COVID, we needed transparency from these nonprofit hospitals because they are not paying taxes. There are so many financially-driven healthcare decisions made. Patients are getting ripped off and not getting real care. They are getting the care that has been driven by third-party conflicts of interest.
When you started as a doctor, did you have the clarity to see the things you are talking about?
In a sense. I remember during residency feeling these big academic institutions breed conformity. They are rigid and hierarchal. There’s not a lot of individuality as a doctor. I initially wanted to go into academics when I started. By the end of it, I was disgusted with the culture. I saw that aspect. I certainly did not see all this coming.
When you are sued against this hospital, the public will have access to their financial records. What do you expect to happen next?
I expect that Houston Methodist will have to answer a lot of questions from a lot of people. Maybe we will encourage other people to get financial information from other hospitals because it’s important. There are some conflicts of interest that the public needs to be aware of.
They are not. We have been painted a picture that the hospital and healthcare workers all want to take care of us but sometimes there are other interests at play.
As we have heard there are Remdesivir and intubation bonuses, having the diagnosis of COVID, and being in the hospital, gets you some extra cash. I’m not saying it’s the admitting doctors. This is all part of it. It’s just the culture of the hospital top-down is problematic. I’m lucky. I’m an independent doctor. I’m cash-only. I’m not tied to hospitals, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and the government. I only work for my patients and I treat the patients the way I would want to be treated.
I wish more doctors would go in this direction and that we could get rid of this whole insurance. We need insurance for car crashes, cancer diagnosis, and brain surgery. We don’t need insurance for our routine care. It’s like car insurance. You don’t use your car insurance to get your oil changed. You use your car insurance if you get a wreck. We could get more doctors to use my model. There is a movement called Direct Primary Care.
It’s primary care doctors that have broken all ties with insurance companies. We are slowly starting to see direct specialty care and I’m a specialist. It’s hard. It’s a risk but it is possible. My patients love it because it’s very transparent. All my prices are on my website. I operate it as a concierge service. They can text me. My office is nice. I hire people that care. I have loved it. I hope more doctors will consider trying it.
I have never heard of that before.
It has been wonderful.
When you said, “We are not tied to insurance companies and hospitals,” I was like, “This sounds like a good attitude for patients to have, too.” There’s a little bit more autonomy.
It gives you freedom. It’s freedom healthcare.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you for talking to me.
I’m here with Mona at this Defeat the Mandates rally. I wanted to find out some of her stories. Why are you here?
I’m here because I’ve got infected from the Pfizer vaccination. I’ve got it on April 23rd, 2021. I have been having a lot of issues walking and seizures. I had a mini-stroke. I’m here because I want help from the medical community.
Did you get it because you thought it would help prevent COVID?
We’re doctors. We just want to take care of patients.
Yes, I’ve got the vaccination because I wanted to be a part of stopping the pandemic and protect my dad. They said that it was safe, so I’ve got the vaccination.
How long was it until the effects kicked in where you realized something is not right?
I felt it right away. About an hour after, I started feeling weird hip feelings and pains. A week after, I collapsed at the mall.
What are they saying now is your health condition?
I have no answers because there are no doctors that want to believe that it could be from the vaccination. They will say it’s psychological.
I am so thankful that you came to stand up and let people know that there are risks involved with injections because all we are told on the news is that they are safe and effective.
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Thank you very much. I’m here with Dr. Paul Alexander. Tell us why you are here.
I’m here as an academic scientist. I work with various groups in terms of early treatment like Dr. Mercola, Dr. Risch, Dr. Kory and Zelenko. I’m also one of the people who have written extensively on natural immunity and why natural immunity is far superior to vaccine immunity. It was a fraud by the government’s agencies like CDC, NIH, and Fauci to try and claim that and scare the public into pushing towards the vaccine. In the beginning, we should have allowed people to exercise an actual immunity. Particularly, the innate immune system of children is very potent, could protect them, and has protected them. We are in a dangerous situation by pushing these vaccines on children.
These agencies are ostensible to help public health. Why would they push this fraud from the very beginning?
It’s my belief because we are operating with science. When they say that they follow the science, they don’t. They are behind the science often. I don’t understand how agencies have been so inept in terms of reading the science or understanding the data. The data has been clear from the beginning. Children exceptionally have a low risk or statistically zero risk of infection, transmitting it or even taking it home. Children do well. Their immune systems can handle COVID. There’s no scientific data to support vaccinating children with these vaccines.
Particularly, there’s no medical scientific reason for us to have vaccine mandates. You will know the data. It’s very clear that the difference between an unvaccinated person and a vaccinated person in terms of the virus is almost none. In other words, if you get vaccinated, these vaccines have failed against the Delta variant and Omicron. It misses Omicron completely. If you are vaccinated, pretty soon, you will have no antibodies. The Pfizer vaccine loses about 40% of antibodies per month. It’s so fast. We are seeing it is time to end this pandemic, declare the pandemic emergency over.
Let the society begin to heal, let the doctors begin to help society heal, and let us move on. Protect the well in society and vulnerable always, not for just COVID but for any condition. Allow the rest of the low-risk society, persons who have properly functioning immune systems or healthy people to live reasonably normal lives, taking reasonable precautions. No more lockdowns and school closures. All of those policies have failed. We have looked at the data clearly. Every single policy, mass mandate, and lockdown failed. It’s time to call it to an end, move on as a society and heal.
What would you recommend that people do instead of taking the vaccine? You said to take some good precautions. What would you recommend for good health?
With Omicron being so mild, Omicron has presented our nature’s vaccine. You are between the limited very few side effects. The reality about it is the vaccine carries toxicity and side effects. Why would you take the vaccine if it’s conferring no benefit? You are better off transcending the Omicron if you are a healthy person. You have to make those decisions with your clinician. The reality about it is the vast number of society, almost all persons are going to bump up against COVID and do well with it. You take reasonable precautions, strengthen your immune systems and know proper diet, health and rest. These are tried and true ways.
COVID has been operated quite differently, unlike what we have normally dealt with. We said it in February 2020 and we will say it again. We needed no vaccines. I worked in the prior administration. I have been on record saying, “No vaccines.” All we needed to do was strongly and properly protect our vulnerable in society as always. Once we protect them, you use vitamin D because it’s important for the immune system, body weight control, and things like that. You allow the rest of society to function normally. By doing that, they can develop the immunity that would protect the vulnerable in society. This is how it has been done always.
Thank you for your stand and for being here.
Thank you very much.
Dr. Urso was one of the first doctors to speak on the stage. Tell us what motivated you to come here?
It’s a long story but we have been battling this thing for years. We had a point in time when we felt like it would be important to double down on some of the mandates that were being passed. Our role was to bring the data for people and say, “It has been a scientific fraud.” We wanted people to know that. It’s not about just mandates and only civil liberties. It’s the right medical thing to do. We are here to tell you, “Medically, this is the smart thing to do.”
It’s like if the Japanese invaded Pearl Harbor and I said, “I don’t want to be drafted. I don’t believe in that.” “I’m sorry but the Japanese invaded Pearl Harbor.” What I’m telling you is that the whole thing is a scientific fraud. Eight hundred thousand people did not have to die. We have a vaccine that’s inflammatory and is unfortunately not that good. You have an inflammatory not-that-good vaccine. We are here to let people know that we have indisputable evidence of those three things. Doctors should be able to treat. We could save a lot of lives. Vaccines are not that great. They are like garlic.
They go on in the bone marrow, brain, ovaries, and adrenal glands. They are going to places we don’t need vaccines and causing inflammation. Do we want inflammation in people’s ovaries? It does not make sense. Do people believe that natural immunity is less than vaccine immunity? It makes no sense. The best data we have is thirteen times better than vaccinated immunity. It’s that simple. These are simple facts. We have data after data. Let’s say natural immunity. We have 146 studies to show that. We were here to bring the truth. We want people to have courage.
How many doctors are standing with you?
We are representing 17,000 doctors. The founders of the group immediately put out information locally. We did it and sent it. It was not advertised. I emailed other people. We started at the end of August 2021. Seventeen thousand doctors in that short period have signed on because the evidence is indisputable, not because of any other reason. We don’t like joining groups. We are doctors. We want to take care of patients.
Were you surprised by those who joined you and also perhaps by those who did not?
What ended up happening is great scientists from Hopkins, Harvard, Yale, Stanford and MIT are with us. People know, “If these guys are going to be bold enough to stand up, let’s stand with them because we know it’s true.” We are here for the Hippocratic Oath to take care of our patients, not for hypocrisy. It’s absurd.
Is that why one of your slogans is, “Let doctors be doctors?”
We have a couple of slogans. That’s one of them. We also believe in, “This is truth. Have courage. Think global but act local.” We have to do it at our local community levels. We cannot expect school boards and legislators to do everything for us. They may because there are a lot of good legislators and school board members but we have to think, protect and reassert ourselves as individuals here that we believe in medical freedom. That’s what we believe.
Both the doctors and the patients are regular people. We all need to advocate for that.
We consider that normal. In our country, we think that informed consent, transparency, and the patient-physician relationship are important. That’s what we grew up with. We grew up believing that our bodies are our sanctity and that we don’t have to be forced into doing things. That’s not something we believe. More importantly, it’s a horrible idea because science is awful. Even if you did want to do it, you are doing it in the worst way with no good scientific evidence. Our science is almost virtually indisputable. It changes and we change with it.
When did the light bulb go off for you that you were like, “This science is messed up. The data does not back up what we are being told.”
I have been years in a lab. I have figured it out in February and March 2020. We started banding together. I have never had censorship. It was a complete shock. We did what we always do. We’ve got together with our groups of docs who do drug discovery. We started talking and people started telling us to go home. We were like, “You don’t know anything about drug discovery. Why would you want us to go home? We know what we are doing.” That seemed odd. I talked with people in the Governor’s Office and State Senate in Texas.
I reached out to people here in Washington that I knew. People kept saying, “I don’t know what’s going on. We need to shut down.” I said, “That’s weird. People are dying. I’m not doing it. I’m not going home.” Honestly, I was scared. I always joke around and say, “It’s about a day or two,” but honestly, I don’t know. It was a short period. I was frightened that something terrible was going to happen if I did anything. I finally said, “What am I going to do later on in life? Say I was quiet and scared and let people die?” That’s absurd. I could not do it.
Your voice is being heard, Dr. Urso, by many. I’m grateful for the band of doctors that have pulled together. Do you think you can turn the tide?
We are going to keep going because we have to keep going. We don’t want to do this. We want to go back to our normal lives but we have to keep going. We are going to keep going and make a difference because the truth is on our side. We are going to keep pounding the truth. The truth and the disease may change. Whatever it is, we are willing to look in other directions for strategies that might work. We might come up with a great vaccine and have a receptor-binding domain or nucleocapsid vaccine. It might be great and safe. We are looking for new strategies all the time but at the end of the day, it’s about truth and science. It’s not that hard. It’s what I have been doing my whole life.
What you are describing is real science, exploring, learning, asking questions, and being willing to pivot, and not cementing into one idea.
You are willing to pivot and look at strategies. I will give you an example. For Delta, you had ACE2 binding and TMPRSS2. We designed drug treatments to block those two pathways. With Omicron, there’s only ACE2 and no TMPRSS2. We don’t have to go down that pathway of blocking that. We all figured it out quickly and looked at the data and sequencing.
Here’s one more final question. What gave you the reserves? You said that you felt like you could not go on without being true to your convictions. What might give someone the courage to stay true to their convictions in this time?
My courage comes from Jesus Christ. I believe in the Lord and I believe the Lord is with us. He wants us to move forward. He’s guiding us as we go forward. That’s what’s guiding me.
Thank you so much. I appreciate your time. I’m here with Tricia, who’s a well-known activist. Tell us more about why you are here.
I’m a Civil Rights and Constitutional Law Attorney in New York, Connecticut, and a couple of other states. I’m here because this is a fight for our Human Rights and Constitutional Rights. We have to fight for ourselves and future generations. We can’t afford to sit back and watch things on. This cannot be life as usual. Our lives have been changed radically.
How is it that most people are not even aware that their rights are being violated?
It’s because they don’t know their rights. That’s the problem. They don’t teach kids their rights. They don’t teach it in schools unless you go for specific classes and ask for it. You are not going to get it. When is the last time you saw a college course labeled Constitutional Rights or Know Your Rights? It’s not there so people don’t know it. Unfortunately, with social studies and things like that in school, they are not teaching children that stuff.
Love wins. That’s the most powerful thing that we have.
What’s the biggest right that’s being violated now, which is our Constitutional Rights, that we are like, “We’ve got to go to bat for this one?”
It’s the Fourteenth Amendment because it covers everything. It’s the right to equal protection under the law. That cannot be taken away without due process. Even with due process, certain rights are non-negotiable. The First Amendment is our right to freedom of speech and to practice our religion. It’s the establishment clause. Those are major ones that are being eroded but there are so many.
There’s the right to a speedy trial and bodily integrity. There are so many rights. To say one, the reason why I said the Fourteenth Amendment is because it makes the constitution and amendments applicable to the states. That’s the vehicle that brings and attaches the amendments and gives them to the state that’s why. All those other amendments are just as important.
In other words, if my employer tells me, “You can’t speak out about this,” that’s a violation of my right to free speech unless I’m running for office and working for the Federal Government.
There are certain types of speech that you can’t because it’s connected to your employer but not something like this. This has nothing to do with that.
Let’s say I’m a healthcare provider. I lose my job because I won’t be vaccinated. Is that a violation of my rights?
Absolutely. They are taking away your right to work and your livelihood. They are holding a right hostage and the ransom for it is you complying with an illegal mandate or becoming someone’s lab experiment. They are taking away your right to informed consent to deny or accept the use of a EUA product. It’s a medical device that is not licensed and approved. Even the one that they claim is licensed and approved is not available in the country. You can’t do that to people. It’s like kidnapping. That’s what I say. It’s coercion and force.
It’s happening to our children too because they won’t let them be educated if they don’t get the job. They are segregated and forced to be outside when their friends are in the classroom. I have seen videos of it.
It’s discrimination and segregation. It’s the new discrimination. They are trying to distract us on one side with racial discrimination while they are killing us on the other side with medical discrimination, scientific discrimination, and age discrimination. There are so many other things going on. I’m not saying that race does not exist but it’s being used as a distraction.
What can I do as an individual? If I’m like, “I don’t have money to take my employer to court,” how can I defend my right to, for example, hold onto my job if I’m not vaccinated?
There are a number of groups that are filing lawsuits together, class actions, and things of that nature. Support, help to build money, and raise money. It’s what you are doing in reporting on it and informing. There are multiple ways of fighting this. You find your niche and go with it.
Thank you so much. I appreciate talking with you for a little bit.
You are welcome. It’s my pleasure. Thank you for being here and standing in this fight with us. Have a good one.
You too. Thank you so much for your work. Dr. McCullough, why are you here?
I’m here to bring the message to the American people that medical freedom is paramount. This virus has ravished us for years. Brave doctors and patients have done the best they can to treat the illness and save lives. That’s what we are here about. It’s about people making their choices together with their doctors. Thanks.
Thank you very much. How come you are so committed to seeing the children have their freedom?
I have seen the injury and the pain. I know it’s real. I have always thought there was a possible mechanism. I never thought years ago, when I started seeing things happen with the vaccine program that did not make sense scientifically that it would take this long. I have seen this capture of our agencies and the silencing of scientific voices. It’s needless injury and the pain that these children undergo. Their parents’ lives are destroyed. It’s the pain.
You have a career in academia, is that right?
No, I do not. I’ve got out of science years ago. It was reductionistic for me. I decided to go to teaching. I felt I could affect hearts and minds more but I continue to keep up with the literature. I saw more things diverge from the science in the vaccine program. It’s simple things like you are not supposed to give them vaccines under the age of two because their immune system is not developed enough. I started seeing more and realized that PubMed, where all the scientific research was done, was online.
I started doing more deeper dives because I knew that these kids were injured but we don’t know the mechanism. We can’t heal them until we know the mechanism of injury. I have spent years trying to find out the mechanism of injury for these kids. We are starting a vaccine injury treatment alliance to take all that together. We had our first meeting with amazing doctors and scientists. We are going to move the world.
Venus stands for life.
It’s in Latin.
Thank you for all you are doing.
I’m here with Kevin Jenkins. He was the first one to speak on the stage. Tell us what you had to say to the crowd.
It was important that we reclaim the dream of Martin Luther King where we live in a country of freedom and love, and that we learn to respect each other and fight for our freedom. It’s something to be speaking here. Years ago, he was here talking about the same thing we are talking about now and fighting against the tyranny of our time. It was important for me to try to send the right message about reclaiming the dream of Martin Luther King, not the manufactured dream but the dream of hope and love so we can come together and beat these tyrants.
What is the tyranny about?
The tyranny is about taking our freedom, liberty, and rights away from us. That’s what they are doing. It’s all about freedom at this point. Mandates are about slavery. That’s it. It’s nothing else. We should not try to measure it any other way. It’s slavery and it has taken our Human Rights away from us.
Why is it so hard for people to see that? Why can’t they see that we are being made slaves?
I believe people are starting to see it. I have traveled over 200,000 miles in this country. People are starting to see it. Young people are starting to wake up, too. It’s fascinating. When you are in a bubble, you don’t see it but when you are in the part of the country you know it and see it. You see the people.
If I’m in my small town, I’m the only one who’s realizing what’s going on but there are other people all across the country and around the world who are seeing it.
Especially in young people, a lot of men are coming out and doing their thing. I’m very pleased about it. I’m excited and hopeful.
Do you think we should lead with love? Is that the message I was getting from you?
Love wins. That’s the most powerful thing that we have. They can’t beat us when we become we. If we keep using that word, they are doing this to us where you become a slave but when you say we, we have power because we are together.
I’m going to hold on to that. Thank you so much, Kevin.
About Kevin Jenkins
Kevin D. Jenkins is an American social media influencer and the CEO of Urban Global Health Alliance. He has been identified as a major promoter of misinformation about vaccines, especially targeting the African-American population.
Jenkins is co-founder of Freedom Airway & Freedom Travel Alliance — later shortened to Freedom Travel Alliance (FTA) — a membership-based service that advertises to help people “travel around the world without observing any masking, quarantining, vaccination, or other pandemic control measures.” According to The Daily Beast, none of the co-founders of the 2020 start-up have professional experience in the travel industry, though FTA spokesperson Dolores Cahill said they had plans to purchase airplanes and to “have hotlines of lawyers to help people talk their way out of restrictions”.
About Dr. Richard Urso
Dr. Richard Urso graduated from Villanova University with a Bachelor’s Degree in Political Science, where he was on the Dean’s Distinguished Honor Roll. He then went on to study medicine at the University of Texas Medical School at Houston. Dr. Urso was a member of the Alpha Omega Alpha Honor Medical Society while studying there. He completed his Ophthalmology residency at the University of Texas Southwestern in Dallas and then concluded with a fellowship in Oculoplastics and Reconstructive Surgery at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston. In 1993,
Dr. Urso was appointed Ophthalmologist and Clinical Assistant Professor in the Department of Ophthalmology and Visual Science at the University of Texas Medical School at Houston, where he served until April 2005. During this time, he was also an Assistant Professor in the Department of Head and Neck Surgery at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center.
About Dr. Mary Bowden
Dr. Bowden completed her residency at Stanford University and is board-certified in both Otolaryngology and Sleep Medicine. In 2003, she moved to Houston and worked with Drs. Kyle McCutcheon and Alasdair Gilchrist at Memorial Northwest Otolaryngology. She specializes in sinus, sleep and allergy disorders and treats both children and adults.
Dr. Bowden is also interested in research and is currently working to publish her findings from recent COVID-19 testing. For a list of Dr. Bowden’s publications, please click here.
She is on the advisory team of FLCCC, is co-leader of the Houston chapter of the Free Market Medical Association, and serves on the advisory board at the Validation Institute.
About Tricia Lindsay
Attorney Lindsay is accustomed to hard work and working for the interest of the people. A former schoolteacher of 24 years in the Yonkers & New York Public School Districts, Ms. Lindsay worked passionately to improve the lives of her students. Always going beyond the call of duty, she worked with under served families in her district to ensure that her students and their families received the adequate social services that they deserved. Ms. Lindsay’s experiences in her long career in education fueled her desire to impact education on the national level to dismantle the school-to-prison pipeline by changing legislation.
As a proud graduate of Touro College of Law, Tricia provides voice, advocacy, and legal representation for those who often go unheard. Ms. Lindsay’s long-time passion has been centered on community building and ensuring equity and justice in education and improving the lives of inner-city families. When she entered the field of teaching more than twenty years ago, she then believed that the most effective way to bring justice to the masses was through education. Since entering the law field, she now wholeheartedly believes that justice will best be served in the court of law, through due diligence, fair and fierce representation.
About Dr. Paul Alexander
Alexander is accountable for RWJBarnabas Health’s Social Impact and Community Investment Practice addressing the social determinant of health impacting patients and surrounding communities and the transformation of clinical care along the care continuum focused on improving value-based program performance. He also oversees employee health plan, corporate care and other other resources dedicated to building necessary infrastructure.
Alexander formerly served as vice president and chief medical officer of government programs for Horizon Blue Cross Blue Shield of New Jersey]and regional chief medical officer for UnitedHealthcare. His background in the payer market brings an interesting perspective to the West Orange, New Jersey–based healthcare system, which includes 11 acute care hospitals, and is in the process of transitioning to value-based care. RWJBarnabas Health was created through the 2015 merger of the Robert Wood Johnson Health System and the Saint Barnabas Health Care System.
About Dr. Ryan Cole
Dr. Cole is a board-certified dermatopathologist (AP & CP) and the CEO/Medical Director of Cole Diagnostics. He has worked as an independent pathologist since 2004. Some highlights from his CV: Ackerman Academy of Dermatopathology (July 2002-June 2003): Dermatopathology Fellowship (Chief Fellow). Mayo Clinic (July 1997-June 2002): Resident in Anatomic and Clinical Pathology. Chief Fellow, Surgical Pathology Fellowship. Medical College of Virginia (1993-1997): Researched immunology. Served as President of Student Family Practice organization. Coordinated activities and seminars on the practice of family medicine and rural medicine. Earned MD in 1997.
About Jo Rose
New York born against medical mandates! We the people will not comply! Arrested for not showing papers to eat! Co founder of New York Freedom Rally!
About Dr. Peter McCullough
After receiving a bachelor’s degree from Baylor University, Dr. McCullough completed his medical degree as an Alpha Omega Alpha graduate from the University of Texas Southwestern Medical School. He went on to complete his internal medicine residency at the University of Washington, cardiology fellowship including service as Chief Fellow at William Beaumont Hospital, and master’s degree in public health at the University of Michigan. Dr. McCullough is a practicing internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist in Dallas Texas and the Chief Medical Advisor of the Truth for Health Foundation.
Dr. McCullough has broadly published on a range of topics in medicine with > 1000 publications and > 600 citations in the National Library of Medicine. His works include the “Interface between Renal Disease and Cardiovascular Illness” in Braunwald’s Heart Disease Textbook. Dr. McCullough is a recipient of the Simon Dack Award from the American College of Cardiology and the International Vicenza Award in Critical Care Nephrology for his scholarship and research. Dr. McCullough is a founder and current president of the Cardiorenal Society of America, an organization dedicated to bringing cardiologists and nephrologists together to work on the emerging problem of cardiorenal syndromes. He is the editor-in-chief of Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine, and senior associate editor of the American Journal of Cardiology. He serves on the editorial boards of multiple specialty journals. He has served as member or chair of data safety monitoring boards of 24 randomized clinical trials.
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