Get The Right Light

LED lightbulbs. Flickering fluorescent bulbs. Laptops, iPads, smartphones. What is artificial light doing to our health? And can we mimic ancestral, healing light (like the light of fire or the sun) in our homes to mitigate the damage and/or boost our mood and wellbeing?

Brian Hoyer of Shielded Healing is an expert on EMFs and the effect of light on our health. Today he gets specific about the damage our modern light can do to our health: from causing eye issues, to weight gain, to headache to lowering energy and melatonin production (needed for better sleep and improved digestion). He also goes over what we can do to improve our “light hygiene” at home to foster better health, improved energy levels and a more positive mood.

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Within the below transcript the bolded text is Hilda Labrada Gore and the regular text is Brian Hoyer.

Light plays a big role in balancing our circadian rhythm, supporting brain health, charging up our mitochondria, and healing us on a profound cellular level. It can even help regrow hair. What type of light is best for us? How can we get more of it into our lives and bodies? This is episode 477 and our guest is Brian Hoyer. Brian is a certified geobiologist and one of the world’s foremost experts in EMFs. He is also an expert in toxic and therapeutic light. He is the CEO of Shielded Healing.

In this episode, Brian discusses the role of light in our lives and how the right light environment can support our health while the wrong kind can damage it. He covers how to mimic ancestral lighting in our homes for our benefit. Brian also dives into what is blocking our absorption of natural sunlight and how we can absorb more sunlight daily to heal the body in our modern world. He lets us know the optimal lighting that we can use in our homes to optimize health. Before we get into the conversation, I want to remind you to follow the show on the platform of your choice. This way, you won’t miss a thing, or better yet, download our app to your phone. It’s available on iOS and Android devices. Thank you in advance. I’m glad you can stay connected.

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Welcome to the show, Brian.

Thanks for having me, Hilda. It’s great to be back.

We had you talk with us years ago about tech side effects. In other words, the ways in which our technological advances may be affecting our health. One thing I don’t think we talked about much was light. I understand you even offer on your site an optimal lighting guide. Let’s take it from the top. What kind of light do we need as human beings?

The Light We Need

We need what we have over time been exposed to. From nature, we get sunlight, which is a full spectrum. Also, we get firelight, which is mainly used at night by our ancestors. That’s void of blue light and peaks in the red and orange, even a little bit of yellow but then a lot of heat. The heat coming off of that is the infrared wavelengths.

I understand that these wavelengths each serve different purposes in our bodies. Do you know much about that, Brian?

Yes. There are different wavelengths and colors of visible light that penetrate various depths into the skin. They will stimulate different processes, whether it’s collagen production or elastin. Different depths maybe can even help regrow hair and then get into the fat molecules or the fat cells and help to turn that fat into a healthier type of fat. When you get deeper, into the red and infrared spectrums, it helps to charge your mitochondria in different ways and also creates an antioxidant inside of your mitochondria that provides an antioxidant cooling system for the cell.

This is fascinating. Most of us think that health has to do only with diet and exercise but light plays a big part, doesn’t it?

It does. It’s not just for your skin. It’s also for your circadian rhythm and brain health. There are a lot of practitioners who have studied color therapy for the brain and how different colors elicit different emotions in different parts of the brain as well. That’s something to consider when you’re trying to biohack your lighting space and make a more ancestral light inside your home. Inside homes, we don’t have ancestral lighting. We have LED lights and fluorescent lights. They’re trying to ban incandescent and halogen lights.

Some lights have healing wavelengths and others don’t. None of them can match what the sun does. We have to use a combination of artificial lights to try to match what the outside light is doing while also encouraging people to get outside as much as possible, get in the sun, and do it in a safe way where they’re not going to burn. A lot of that has to do with your diet and making sure that you’re getting the right types of fats.

Wise Traditions | Brian Hoyer | Light — Light: We have to use a combination of artificial lights to try to match what the outside light is doing while also encouraging people to get outside as much as possible.

If you’re eating a lot of linoleic acid and seed oils, and I hope that nobody reading this show eats vegetable oils, they oxidize and that’s what causes you to get a sunburn. You need to have good saturated fat and cholesterol in the skin to receive the rays from the sun in a good way for your body to be able to use it without too much damage.

Mitochondrial Health

You mentioned mitochondrial health. Can you speak to that? I’ve heard some people say that all disease comes from mitochondrial dysfunction.

There’s a doctor who’s a photobiologist called Dr. Alexander Wunsch. He talks about how light, especially near-infrared light, when it hits the mitochondria, 2/3 of the energy from the mitochondria is in response to that near-infrared light. That’s how we get our energy. Only 1/3 of our energy for the whole human organism comes from food. The other 2/3 is from light. What’s interesting is that 2/3 of your cells are also able to receive infrared light based on the depth that it penetrates the body. There’s only a small 1/3 of your body in the very center that doesn’t get any light penetration. That’s probably why we require food

How fascinating, I never heard that before. Let me see if I can get it right. 2/3 of the mitochondrial energy comes from light and 1/3 comes from food.

2/3 of the cells in your body can be exposed to light based on the penetration depth of the wavelengths of the sun.

They correspond in a cool numerical way.

When I first saw that, I was like, “This makes sense.” It’s why you need food and sustenance. Thank God, I love food, especially finding what optimally fuels and runs the human body. It’s the fact that light is so important. It makes sense when you think about it because when you go on vacation, you’re outside a lot, and you’re spending a lot of time in the sun, you’re not as hungry. You’re like, “Do you want a steak and this big meal with meat and potatoes for dinner?” You’re like, “No, I would rather have something lighter.” You feel that and you don’t eat as much because you’re outside getting energy from the sun all day while you’re on vacation.

Not to mention that you’re happier. People think they’re happier because they’ve left their workplaces but the light might play a part in their mood as well.

It’s interesting because I’ve been studying this specifically for a product that I’ve been developing with the shielding shop. The idea is that indoors, we’re not getting exposure to the color of the sun. If you ask anybody, “What color is the sun,” most of them are going to say, “Yellow.” When the sun’s rising, it’s a different color and also in its setting but most of the time, it’s a yellowish hue. That’s between about 580 and 590 nanometers.

When I started creating this product, I wanted to have near-infrared and a dominant wavelength so that it shows the hue in that range. We have a bulb that produces 588 nanometers. It’s been studied that yellow hues have been studied to show that they help people to focus more. It gives them more joy and they’re more productive. It’s the perfect lamp or the perfect type of light to have in your workspace, at your desk, while you’re working. It’s like a mini sunlight that’s going to boost your mood and help with your productivity.

Obstacles Of Natural Light

What are some of the things that block us from getting the natural spectrum of light, all the colors, and all the wavelengths in general in our modern world?

Our modern world has produced multiple things that block sunlight. Our ancestors didn’t wear as many clothes as we do. The types of clothes that we wear are synthetic. There are chemical reasons that that’s bad but also light reasons that it’s bad. Light doesn’t penetrate as well through a lot of unnatural materials as it does through wool, cotton, linen, or other materials like cashmere. All of the natural products aerate better so you have a little more fresh air coming onto your skin through your clothes but it also lets light through. Anything that we’ve done in this world that blocks light, clothing is probably the worst one.

Another thing though is we’ve also moved to be indoors for the majority of the day. A high percentage of the population is that way. We’re not only indoors, where there’s hardly any light but we have bad lights, LEDs, fluorescent lights, and those sorts of things. Even in cars, you don’t get much light unless you have a sunroof. If you do have a sunroof or a moonroof, get it open. Get that sun coming in. Roll down your windows. The other aspect of this whole thing is the way that we build to become more energy efficient like “bunny ear.” We’ve incorporated blocking infrared with a film in the windows. What’s interesting about that is it’s like a silver Low-E glass film.

I didn’t know they did that.

The heat can’t come in the window but it also blocks a lot of the near-infrared wavelengths that you need from the sun to heal. When we go to a lot of people’s homes, they’re like, “I’ve got all this natural lighting.” They’ve got a whole wall of windows. They feel like, “I don’t need any help with my lighting. I’m using the sun as my light.” It is way better in the visible spectrum to have that versus having light bulbs on but those windows that they have are often still blocking out the healing wavelengths of the sun. They have to reintroduce that by incorporating halogens and incandescent bulbs into their home.

Even our windshields and car windows have some film because I understand it’s a very limited spectrum of the sunlight that gets through them.

To a varying degree in different vehicles, that’s true.

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You addressed this a little bit at the top but I would love for you to talk again about it. What are the problems that are caused by the fact that we’re living inside, wearing all this clothing, and we have these windows with these films that block some of the healing spectrum of light? What are some of the health problems that people might experience as a result of this poor light invasion?

Light sets your circadian rhythm for the day. When you wake up in the morning, if you don’t get light within 30 minutes, you’re going to have a significantly lower percentage of melatonin later in the day that’s going to help you sleep. The circadian rhythm is huge. You need blue light and red light together in the morning time until the afternoon when the sun’s about to set. Once the sun starts setting and becoming a different spectrum, that’s when you want to start turning your lights down.

If you don’t get light within 30 minutes after you wake up in the morning, then you’re going to have a significantly lower percentage of melatonin later in the day that’s going to help you sleep.

A lot of people will have insomnia. They’ll have fatigue even from not getting enough light that charges their battery during the day. When you get that light on your mitochondria, like Dr. Alexander Wunsch studied, if 2/3 of the energy that your body produces is from light and you’re not getting any of that light, then you’re going to be low energy. It’s very important to get bright light during the day. The best way you can do that, if you don’t want to buy a bunch of huge, powerful, bright lights is to go outside and get as much of your skin exposed to the sunlight as possible.

Many people start their day with not a stroll outside but a scroll on their phones. That gives you bright light, which I’m sure gives them a shot of cortisol and wakes them up. What’s the problem with that?

1) It’s not good to have that spectrum in your eyes because there’s no infrared. 2) It’s not bright enough. You need between 10,000 and 50,000 lux to make a difference. You can’t get that inside unless you have extremely bright bulbs. One SAD lamp is 10,000 lux when you’re a certain distance away from it, which is maybe 6 to 12 inches away.

When you say SAD, you mean Seasonal Affect Disorder. It’s a light that people buy to help improve their mood and health during the times of year when they’re getting less natural light. Is that right?

That’s right. The SAD lights don’t contain any of the near-infrared spectrum either. You need a SAD light combined with another light or you can go to BlockBlueLight. They have a SAD lamp that has near-infrared wavelengths in it with the bright white light that you need. That’s a good option. You can also use bright halogen and incandescent bulbs, a combination of those on a panel. That can work to provide you with the intensity that you need. The sun is better than anything, getting outside. Especially if you can have a private space, you can expose as much skin as possible.

In the winter, it’s hard. If you can get a patio heater, that can help. That’s what we did at my house. You can still take off your shirt, go out there, and expose as much skin as possible. Be outside and still be comfortable. The thing is you want to be out there for probably at least ten minutes up to 30 minutes so you can get on with your day. The longer, the better.

It’s cool that you have this on your patio because I imagine you probably take some of your meals outside. I understand that having the sunlight on you while you’re eating is particularly good for you.

It helps your body to go into a more parasympathetic state because you’re relaxed. That’s why sunbathing is so amazing. You go out in the sun and you’re like, “That feels amazing.” When you close your eyes, what happens is you see red because your eyelids have blood vessels in them. You’re filtering out all the blue for your eyes. You’re giving your eyes all the healing red and infrared frequencies. It’s almost like it’s a healing session for your eyes when you fall asleep in the sun without any of the damaging blue and UV spectrum.

Your eyes will filter the red through that. I’ve tested this with my spectrometer through the skin flat part of my palm between my thumb and index finger in the sunlight. You can see that the near-infrared goes right through and penetrates in that way. Your eyelid does the same thing for your eye. It provides healing therapy for your eye to heal. There have been some studies that show that looking at red and near-infrared light at night can cure many different eye diseases.

I’m especially happy to hear this because someone mentioned something in one of my posts. I make sure to get outside 30 to 45 minutes before sunrise. I’m often outside without sunglasses. I never wore sunglasses. They’re like, “You’re going to get cataracts.” I thought the sun was healing. Is it true that it can hurt my eyes?

It can hurt your eyes if you don’t have a good diet. You’ll have a tendency to have oxidation happen. Your body cannot deal with even normal stressors if it doesn’t have the resources built or the building blocks to have a good structure. Someone who’s extremely obese or overweight can’t necessarily run and sprint a marathon, or even do something normal like going up the steps. That’s why some people burn and get problems with their eyes. It’s nothing against them as a person. It’s the fact that their body has not incorporated the proper building blocks into a part of their structure. They have the inability to do something that should be normal for a human being when they’re eating ancestral natural foods.

I’ve wondered sometimes because I have a friend of mine about this whole eye and light situation. He was in a band. He saw the ophthalmologist and the ophthalmologist said, “You have cataracts. It must be genetic.” He’s like, “No. My parents didn’t have it. What’s the deal?” He figured out that it might’ve been all the lights that were always beaming on him when he was on the stage.

Those lights are void of infrared and red frequencies. They’re probably LED lights. They can be damaging in and of themselves. When we’re not home, my son will be with one of our other relatives. They’ll have them watching a show to keep them occupied. We get home and he comes out. He’s like, “My eyes hurt.” It’s so obvious when you see children complaining about this. It’s because, in the room that he’s in, all he’s got is this big, bright screen. I always tell our various relatives, “You need to turn on this red or infrared light if you’re going to let them watch anything.” Often, they forget. Whenever they forget, his eyes hurt.

Signs To Pay Attention

For the rest of us, Brian, we might not notice symptoms creeping up on us, not necessarily related to eye health but maybe a low mood or low energy, some of the things you’ve been describing. What could be a leading or telling sign that we need to pay attention to the light we’re exposing ourselves to?

If you get to the afternoon and you feel low energy, it can be related to blood sugar dysregulation but also brain fogginess. If your eyes do hurt or behind your eyes hurt, you could be exposed to flickering lights that happen from the modulation of the electricity at 60 Hertz. A lot of the lights are flickering even though you can’t see that they’re flickering. They are flickering at an imperceptible rate. You can take a slow-motion video of the lights and then sometimes you can see that it’s flickering.

If you have a flicker meter like me and my team do, when we go into people’s homes, we test all of your lights. We can tell you which ones are flickering, which ones aren’t, which ones you need to replace, which ones are a good spectrum, and which ones are a bad spectrum. We start to help people change that out as we do the home test.

Flickering lights can cause you to have sore eyes and headaches. That’s why a lot of people get headaches when they go to work. They’re around fluorescent lighting or LED lighting. They don’t know why. A lot of people do complain about fluorescent lights and part of that is the flickering of a lot of them but it’s also the dirty electricity that they create. The way that they’re made causes dirty electricity to emanate from the light itself down onto you.

Sam Milham wrote the book Dirty Electricity, which is an epidemiological treaty on the electrification of the United States. I don’t know if it’s in the book or he posted an article on his website, where he talks about 18 microamps being carcinogenic. If you’re within 6 feet from a fluorescent light, especially if it has about four bulbs in it, which a lot of them do, then you’re right in that range of being in a carcinogenic range.

It makes me wonder what we’re doing to our children who are often in schools with fluorescent lighting all over the place.

I say fortunately but it’s not fortunate that they’re switching things out from fluorescents. Not only are the fluorescent lights bad because of dirty electricity but they also contain mercury. I don’t know how many schools have had broken bulbs but I remember when I was remodeling my house years ago. I was like, “We need to get all the fluorescent bulbs that were in this house that we bought. We need to get them out of the house.” We removed everything but we missed one that was in the closet. Sure enough, when they went to do the demo, they broke it.

I had to go in there and get a HEPA filter. I had the idea that a selenium spray would help neutralize everything because selenium binds to mercury or neutralizes it in some way. I sprayed everything with the selenium spray and then had to clean it up but they didn’t even tell us. We happened to find this broken fluorescent bulb that was in there. That’s another issue with fluorescent bulbs. Even having them in the house or your garage, there’s a chance that they’re going to break. Even if one breaks, according to the EPA standards, the level of mercury that’s released from them, you need to come in with a hazmat suit and do this whole protocol to remove the mercury.

I’m thinking about the construction workers who don’t know this stuff and are tossing the fluorescent light bulbs into the dumpster.

There’s supposed to be a specific way that you recycle them. You turn them into your power company. If you’re wondering, “How do I get rid of these fluorescent bulbs very carefully,” contact your electric company. They should know a place where you can bring them so that they can dispose of them properly.

Real-Life Testimonies

Can you tell us the story of maybe someone whose house you assessed or someone who did not have this information about lighting and made some shifts and what they noticed beforehand and afterward?

I want to tell you a story about my mother-in-law. She moved in with us in Idaho. We had a shielded space for her and also optimal lighting in the house. Nothing else changed besides those things. She kept eating the same and doing the same things. She lost 20 pounds being with us. There was an experiment years ago that a lot of people were doing where they would change their lighting and eat the same food and the same phenomenon would happen. I didn’t even tell her about this but the same thing happened with her.

The other experiment they were doing was they were starting to eat crappy food and keep their lighting the same. They didn’t have nearly as much weight as when they ate healthy food and had crappy lighting. There are some influencers out there who talk about light being like a diet. You have to have a good light diet. That’s very true but it’s also an environmental thing. Light is an input of energy. If it’s 2/3 of our energy and 1/3 is from food, then it is part of our energetic diet. We need to make sure we’re getting healthy light into our cells, bodies, eyes, and skin for us to have a healthy life.

Light is part of our energetic diet, so we need to make sure we’re getting healthy light into our cells, into our bodies, into our eyes, and on our skin in order for us to have a healthy life.

Did your mother-in-law understand what was going on after the fact?

No, and she still doesn’t. It’s like with son-in-laws and mother-in-laws. I laughed about it and said, “I don’t think why.” I told her but I don’t know if she believed me or not that was the reason.

Improve Light Hygiene

She’s like, “That Idaho air.” You’re very solutions-focused, Brian. Talk to us a little bit about maybe easy swaps some of us can do to improve the light hygiene in our homes.

Some of the no-cost things would be to open windows when you can and get light inside. I hate to keep talking about my family but my father-in-law tends to want to close all the windows and be in a dark space all day. His circadian rhythm is way off but it’s because he used to work a night shift and all this stuff. If you can open windows and get light in the room during the daytime, that’s great. That’s going to give you more visible light.

Getting outside is another easy solution. A lot of people have breaks where they eat food. We need light breaks, too. Whenever you take a lunch, it’s about sustaining your energy for the day. Why not include getting outside in the sun as part of that? You’re getting more energy from the sun after being indoors. If your co-workers can take a smoke break, then you should be able to take a light break, go outside, get some sun, and then come back. That’s going to be a de-stressor too, as much or more than a cigarette, and way healthier for you.

What if we live in a place that’s cloudy most of the time or we don’t get adequate sun?

It doesn’t matter that much. Even if it’s cloudy, you’re getting the therapeutic dose of light that you need if you go outside. I know it doesn’t feel as good going outside because you don’t have the yellow spectrum of the sun. The clouds are blocking it, making it a whitish, grayish, or bluish color. That doesn’t feel as good as having direct sunlight but you’re still getting the full spectrum of the sun through the clouds. It’s not necessarily going to make your brain as happy but it’s going to have the same effects on your metabolism and mitochondria.

Open the windows and get outside more. Do you have a third tip?

Yes. The other thing you can do is start to swap out your lights. Our recommendation is you need healthy LEDs. We’ve been vetting those on our website and posting them. We have a human-optimized lighting guide where we review a lot of the bulbs that are on the market. If they’re on our guide, then we’ve tested them for dirty electricity, flicker, and spectrum. We have them listed in categories for daytime and twilight, which is in the stage between daytime and nighttime bulbs.

Switching those out and then doing this process of light combining that we talk about in the guide as well. That is combining lights like halogen and incandescent with healthy flicker-free LED lights. If you have incandescent bulbs, then continue to use those. One caveat to that is that we found that 100 watts or higher is low flicker. Anything under 100 watts is a pretty high flicker rate as far as the incandescent bulbs go. They’re starting to try to ban anything above 60 Watts.

You can hardly find any higher wattage than 60 watts at any store. There are a few websites online that still sell them. You can look for a 100-watt incandescent bulb. Do it with a shopping search engine and you can find that. Halogens burn hotter so they don’t need as much wattage to not flicker as much. If you do 50-watt halogens or higher, those tend to be good.

This is so helpful. What I also like is that your light optimization guide is free. We’ll be able to get it or close to free hopefully. I want to ask you, Brian, the question I’d like to ask at the end. If the audience could do one thing to improve their health, it may be light-related or not, what would you recommend that they do?

I’d recommend the thing I mentioned. Within 30 minutes of waking up, get right outside, get your bare feet on the ground, and look towards the sun. For at least a bare minimum of five minutes, you can do it, even if it’s cold, and that’s going to set your circadian rhythm for the day. It’s going to make you happier, healthier, and more energetic.

Wonderful words to end on. Thank you so much, Brian.

You’re welcome. It’s great to be here. Thanks.

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Our guest was Brian Hoyer. Visit his website, ShieldedHealing.com to learn more. You can find me at HolisticHilda.com. Make sure to follow the show on any podcast app. That way, you won’t miss it when new episodes are released. Please share your favorite interviews with friends. This helps us get the word out in a more personal way. Thank you so much for reading. Stay well. Remember to keep your feet on the ground and your face to the sun.

About Brian Hoyer

Brian Hoyer is an esteemed certified functional nutritional therapy practitioner, certified geobiologist, and one of the world’s foremost experts in EMF and toxic AND therapeutic light. With a deep understanding of the detrimental effects of modern electromagnetic environments, Brian embarked on a mission to recreate healthier environments that align more closely with our ancestral ways of living. Backed by extensive scientific research, Brian has seamlessly merged the realms of EMF and the medical wellness industry through his groundbreaking initiative in founding his company Shielded Healing. The impact of Shielded Healing has been widely recognized, attracting notable individuals such as Dr. Joseph Mercola, Ben Greenfield, Sally Fallon, Dr. Thomas Cowan, Gary Brecka, as well as professional athletes, and celebrities who have found solace in Shielded Healing’s EMF solutions.

Shielded Healing also collaborates closely with functional and environmental medicine doctors, hospitals, and clinics worldwide, devising effective EMF shielding strategies and building protocols to significantly reduce patients’ exposure to harmful EMFs and toxic light.

Most of all Shielded Healing spends 90% of the time helping the average family create safe ancestral healing spaces in their home with affordable solutions that are proven to reduce EMF radiation and match ancestral levels of beneficial EMF and natural and therapeutic spectrums of light.

Brian also founded The Shielding Shop in 2023 with the goal of creating technology that respects human biology. He’s heading up a team that is reverse engineering common every day household and office lighting, fixtures, cables, shielding tents, and other gadgets to transform the most common EMF stressing devices found in homes into EMF free versions that will promote health and well being.