An Inconvenient Study: Are Vaccinated Or Unvaccinated Children Healthier? With Del Bigtree

The study we’ve been waiting for is finally here! The head of infectious disease, Dr. Marcus Servos, at Henry Ford Health conducted a retrospective study of vaccinated children v. unvaccinated children to document their health outcomes. He promised that he would publish the results but then decided not to. Why not? The answer may have to do with the “inconvenient” results of the study. They did not confirm the expectations of the pro-vaccine Dr. Zervos.

But Del Bigtree, the CEO of ICAN (Informed Consent Action Network)and host of The HighWire, decided to get the results out to the world through the film “An Inconvenient Study”. As Executive Producer, Del focused on the very results that Dr. Zervos did not want revealed. There were statistically significant better health outcomes for the unvaccinated children over the vaccinated.

In this conversation, Del tells us what led up to the study being conducted and why he decided to secretly record conversations with the doctor who did not want to publish it. The implications of the results are staggering and they invite scientists and the general public alike to reexamine their presuppositions about the efficacy of vaccines and to consider the real harm these may be causing our children.

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Episode Transcript

Within the below transcript the bolded text is Hilda Labrada Gore and the regular text is Del Bigtree.

The study we’ve been waiting for is finally here. The Head of Infectious Disease at Henry Ford Health conducted a retrospective study of vaccinated children versus unvaccinated children to document their health outcomes. Why is he not publishing the results in a peer-reviewed journal? The inconvenient results may be part of the reason.

This is episode 555, and our guest is Del Bigtree. He is the CEO of ICAN, the Informed Consent Action Network, the Head of The HighWire, and the executive producer of a film entitled An Inconvenient Study. Dell explains why this film is so groundbreaking. It’s because the study I mentioned at the top was conducted by a pro-vaccine doctor, Dr. Marcus Zervos, at a prestigious medical center, and its results are shattering expectations. They point to the statistically significant better health outcomes for the unvaccinated.

Del has labeled the study inconvenient because Dr. Zervos has refused to publish the study results. How did Del get his hands on them, and why did he secretly record conversations with this doctor? What about the cease and desist letters that Henry Ford Health has been issuing to Del? There is so much intrigue around this situation, and Del explains it all.

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Welcome to Wise Traditions, Del.

It’s great to be here.

The Dinner That Launched ‘An Inconvenient Study’

I have so many questions about this new movie, An Inconvenient Study. I want to start with this. Is it true that you challenged a top doctor at the Henry Ford Health Center to do this study of the vaxxed population and the unvaxxed population, and their long-term health outcomes?

Yeah, that’s exactly what happened here. This study only exists by the grace of God in the dinner that I went to back in 2016. We were traveling the country with Vaxxed, and we were pulling up through Michigan and Detroit, where Henry Ford Health is. They were like, “A fan of Vaxxed is the Head of Infectious Disease at Henry Ford Health. Would you be interested in having dinner with them?” I said, “Sure, absolutely.”

I had dinner. I met with Dr. Marcus Zervos. He’s the Head of Infectious Disease at Henry Ford Health. He is a world-renowned scientist, works with the WHO, and does huge work. At that time, he had gotten through being one of the lead scientists at the center of the Flint, Michigan Water Crisis. Do you remember they were having lead in the water and Legionnaires’ disease, and the health department was acting like it wasn’t a problem?

Dr. Marcus Zervos did the studies on the water, and he stood up against the health department and said, “This is toxic water. You need to do something about it.” He got into some trouble when he outed the health department for not taking care of people. He is a good scientist. He follows the data. He does what’s right.

We sat down to dinner, and the first thing he said to me was, “I’ve watched your film, Vaxxed. It’s very compelling, but you’re saying something at all these speeches you’re giving that I find difficult. I’m watching your YouTube videos, and you keep saying they’ve never done the science to prove that vaccines are safe. I’m a huge proponent of vaccines. I was offended by that. I sit on the biggest databases in the world. I went to get all the information so I could show you that you’re wrong.”

He looked me in the eyes and said, “I’m shocked that I have to sit across from you and tell you you’re right. We have never done any proper placebo-based trials to establish safety in any of the childhood vaccines. I want to be clear. That doesn’t mean the vaccines aren’t safe, but it does mean we can’t say that they’re safe.” I said, “Mark, that’s all I’ve been saying.” He said, “I’ve watched you. You’re very careful about being accurate.” It started out in an interesting place.

Wise Traditions | Del Bigtree | Vaccine — Vaccine: We have never done any proper, Placebo-based trials to establish safety in any of the childhood vaccines. I want to be clear: That doesn’t mean the vaccines aren’t safe, but it does mean we can’t actually say that they’re safe.

Ultimately, he said, “I’m pro-vaccine. I don’t know what I can do for you.” I said, “If vaccines are making us healthier, why don’t you prove it by doing a study that compares vaccinated to unvaccinated?” For the medical freedom movement, this is the holy grail of studies. We’ve been asking for it for decades. I thought, “Let me give it a shot. Henry Ford is one of the greatest research institutes in the world. Would you do this study?” He said, “Yeah, I would do that study.” I was like, “Really?”

Then, I warned him. I said, “If this guy turns out the way I think it might, it could be damaging to your career.” He was like, “I don’t care about things like that. I follow the data where it leads me. Besides, I’m about to retire.” I was like, “Great.” It didn’t happen right away. I would call once a year and keep pushing, “Are you going to do that study?”

Finally, I flew out around 2018. Aaron Siri, our attorney for our nonprofit, Informed Consent Action Network, blew out and said, “Marcus, you should do this study. There’s almost like a civil war over this conversation. Are these vaccines safe or not? Are they causing other effects we’re not seeing? You could end this question forever and prove that vaccines are great.” We challenged him that way. He said, “Okay.” He did the study and finished it by 2020. The study is about over 18,000 children, nearly 2,000 of whom were unvaccinated.

To be clear, this was a retrospective study. In other words, it was looking back at all the data that he had accumulated at Henry Ford Health.

Henry Ford Health has its own medical system and its own insurance system. It’s a provider. It’s also the hospital. They had one of the best data collections of the children in this study because not only do they provide the health and give the vaccines, but if the child happened to go to a doctor out of the Henry Ford Health system, because they’re also the insurer, they had that data, too. It’s some of the best data we’ve ever seen to do this study.

The idea was to compare those two groups of people and ask simple questions about their health outcomes. That’s what they did. We only had one request. I knew that he was pro-vaccine. He made that clear. It was like, “You’re doing the study to prove us wrong.” Some would say that’d be risky, but I’ve seen so much science around this at this point that I thought, “Let the chips fall where they may.”

I said, “No matter what, Dr. Zervos, agree to publish it. Whatever the study shows, publish it.” He said, “I’ll publish it.” By 2020, when he did the study, he was not publishing it. Suddenly, it’s crickets. We can barely get him on the phone. Something was wrong. We kept reaching out, and he said, “I can’t publish it.” I finally said, “Would you go to dinner? Can we talk about it?” I flew to Detroit, Michigan, to have dinner with him, and I brought hidden cameras with me and recording equipment.

Time out on that. This is the part that felt like a James Bond movie to me. I’m like, “He’s secretly recording him. He doesn’t know.” People keep asking me, because they’ve seen the movie, too. Was that legal?

Secret Recording: Was It Legal? Uncovering The Truth About The Doctor

Yes. I’m lucky in the work that I do that we have the greatest attorney, certainly of our lifetime, in Aaron Siri. There’s not a single thing I do that I don’t run through my legal team. You should be careful about this because there are states where that is illegal. You can always look this up. For whatever reason you find yourself in a situation where you want to record a conversation, you have to be in what’s called a one-party state. That means in that state, only 1 of the 2 people in a conversation has to know that there’s a recording happening.

There are two-party states where both parties have to be aware that there’s recording happening. I also want to say it may be the only time I’ve ever brought hidden cameras to something I’m doing. I cannot remember another time. It’s not my style. There are guys who are famous for having that style. I like to leave that to them. This was a different situation.

I hadn’t seen it, but I said, “If that study says what I think it says, this may be the most important study that has ever been conducted on earth. Children are in harm’s way. If he’s not publishing it simply because he’s afraid or something like that, then it’s my duty to get that information or have that information in a way that I can prove it and figure out a way to save children’s lives with that.”

It overrode my usual concern because I like to make sure when I do reporting, I always tell my contacts, sometimes whistleblowers, “I’m never going to out you.” In this case, it wasn’t about my reporting. This was about an agreement we had. I was like, “You said you had published this study, so I want to know why you’re not.” That’s why I brought cameras. That’s why we have this very important information that comes from Dr. Zervos.

The word important. I noticed that’s exactly the word Dr. Zervos used to describe the study. He agreed with you that it was an important study. What did that meeting reveal about why he wasn’t publishing it?

“It Will Destroy My Career”: Why A Pro-Vaccine Doctor Hid The Results

If you watch the film, he says several times in many different ways that it’s a good study and an important study. I even asked him, “Is there any way this study could be done better?” He said, “I don’t see how.” When I’m like, “Why won’t you publish it?” He says many different times, “It’s because it’ll destroy my career. I will be finished.” I even reminded him of what he had said back in 2016. I said, “You are about to retire. You follow the data where it leads you. That was your energy at the time.” He was like, “I’m not in the same headspace any longer.”

A part of it, which was lightly revealed in the film, is that he also oversaw the hydroxychloroquine study. It was very important during COVID that came out at Henry Ford Health. He did get attacked by Fauci and everybody on that, also. He’d been attacked for the Flint, Michigan water thing for standing up for what was right. He’d been attacked for showing that hydroxychloroquine reduced death in patients at Henry Ford by 50%. I think he had no armor to his consciousness or his soul left.

I want to leave it to people. It’s what makes the film so fascinating. We have a lot of crazy footage. You’re looking through wine glasses and everything because you have no control over it. Ultimately, it is a very interesting study of a human being because his soul comes through. You can feel he wants to do the right thing, but he says, “I’m not a good person.” It’s a sad realization. He said, “I’m not like those other heroes that come out and speak out.” It’s a fascinating moment.

In this study, the results are shocking. The conclusion of the study was 2.5 times the rate of chronic disease if you’re vaccinated compared to unvaccinated. I’m not saying 20% more, not a 25% increased risk. Imagine an 80% increased risk. That would be massive. This is a 250% increased risk of having a chronic disease. When you look at autoimmune diseases in the study, it is nearly six times the rate. There is a 600% increased risk among the vaccinated. In neurodevelopmental disorders, it is almost six times the rate. These are off-the-charts numbers.

It’s been interesting. One of my favorite things about this film and this study is that it is sparking debate around the world. There are many scientists and doctors, including Dr. Peter Gøtzsche, who is one of the Founders of the Cochrane Collaboration. I’ve been watching him online. He has pored through the study. This is a guy who built the collaboration that was going to analyze all studies in the world. They are infamous for doing this.

In fact, you think of Cochrane when you’re going to design a study because you have to look at what they need from a good study. He is saying, “Any retrospective study has problems with it because people have already made decisions. You don’t have control over it the way you would if you did a placebo-based trial. Those placebo trials were skipped by the childhood vaccine program. They’ve never been done. Now they say it’s unethical to do them.” We want to get into that. It’s a whole thing. He says, “They won’t do the studies now, so the gold standard that’s left is a retrospective study.”

Gøtzsche has pointed out in multiple texts. You can check him out. I would follow him on X. He is a super brilliant guy. He’s saying, “There are problems with any study like this, but these numbers are so big. They cannot be written off by confounding issues or the types of things that Henry Ford Health and other scientists on the pro-vaccine side are arguing about on how it’s not a good study, not good data, or not a big enough control group.” There are 2,000 kids who are unvaccinated in this study.

To give a perspective, the Hepatitis B vaccine we give to day-old babies only had 147 total children in the study, with no control or placebo group. That was perfectly good science to say, “This vaccine was only followed in modern for five days.” Five-day safety studies of 147 children were good enough for a Hepatitis B vaccine, a sexually transmitted disease, to be given to day-old babies across America, mandated for them.

Twenty thousand kids, 2,000 of which are unvaccinated, followed for multiple years isn’t good enough data? I don’t buy it. This is why Henry Ford has sent us a cease and desist. They’re saying that it’s defamation for me to be saying that they didn’t publish the study because they were afraid of the results. They’re saying, “The reason we didn’t publish it was because it’s not a good study. It’s bad data.” They said that before they knew that I had the hidden camera footage of their lead scientist and infectious disease expert.

What has Henry Ford Health said since this movie has been released, and they see their top scientists saying, “It’s an important study. It’s a good study. I don’t see any way in which we could improve it.”

They’ve said they want to see all the footage. They want all of it, not just what’s in the film. I said, “First, you’re going to have to give us all the data for your study. We’ll see where that goes.”

I love it. You’re holding their feet to the fire in your inimitable way. I’m so thankful. I do want to ask. Have other groups done this retrospective study before? I suspect that they have because your film hinted at that fact.

Is The Science Reproducible? Other Vax Vs. Unvax Studies

It does. It is the most important part of this film. Truthfully, any singular retrospective study could potentially have some anomaly or flaw that renders it so that you don’t know what it is. You’re not sure. That is why good science has to be reproducible. In fact, to take a side note, it’s one of the beautiful things that Jay Bhattacharya is involved with as the new Head of NIH.

What he’s saying is, “We’re no longer going to give the quality of the editor, whether it’s The Lancet or The British Medical Journal. Your study won’t be esteemed because of the esteem of the paper you’re published in. Your study will be judged on its quality on the number of studies that have produced the same results.” He is moving science where it should have been.

Almost every editor of these peer-reviewed science mags over the last several years has said, “More than 50% of the science that’s happening in our journal can’t be reproduced,” which means it’s total baloney. All these things that we see being published, you can’t assume the truth. Harvard went and started testing many of the scientific realizations in papers across the country. It’s the same thing. Less than 50% where they could reproduce the science. Reproducible science is everything. In a world where there’s so much funding, there’s so much motivation to push your flaws and things under the bed. I say all that because that is what is so important about this study.

There have been, depending on how you look at it, between 5 to 10, but I’d like to say around 4 or 5, decent vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies. One of the most famous ones was by Dr. Anthony Mawson out of the University of Mississippi. He did a homeschool study where he pulled 600 mothers of homeschooled children and collected data on the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

That study had very similar numbers to this. In that one, there was something like five times the rate of neurodevelopmental disorders. He got 4 times the rate of autism, 30 times the rate of rhinitis, and off-the-records charts of asthma. Many of the same things, not all exactly. The same signal happens in the Henry Ford study.

Also, you have Dr. Paul Thomas. Dr. Paul Thomas is the Oregon doctor who had a huge pediatric practice. He was waking up to vaccines. He was allowing people not to vaccinate. Suddenly, one day, he said, “I have a lot of patients who aren’t vaccinated. Let me go ahead and take all the health records of every kid that was born in my practice and compare the vaccinated to the unvaccinated.” He had very similar results. The vaccinated were sicker. They had higher rates of asthma and higher rates of all sorts of autoimmune diseases. Brian Hooker and Neil Miller have done a study. Same results. I say the same in that it is the same signal.

What I can say is the same about it is that not one of these studies shows that the unvaccinated are the ones who are sick. Every single one shows serious chronic disease issues amongst the vaccinated. What sets Henry Ford apart is that mainstream science is already always torn into those studies, saying it’s done by anti-vaxxers, which is not true. Anthony Mawson wasn’t an anti-vaxxer. He was a legitimate professor. You’ve got to look at Brian Hooker. He has a vaccinated child. Maybe he has a bias, but these are good scientists.

Paul Thomas has both in his clinic. He lost his license for doing this study. Anthony Mawson had his career attacked. When you look at Dr. Marcus Zervos, he knows these stories. He knows when you decide to delve into this territory, the pharmaceutical industry starts attacking you. Usually, it is the US government and your health agencies. Luckily, we’ve got Robert Kennedy Jr. in there that I don’t think won’t attack.

Henry Ford Health states how pro-vaccine it is in its own advertising. Dr. Marcus Zervos said, “I’m the reason we force-vaccinate everyone who works at Henry Ford Health.” You couldn’t get more pro-vaccine. If you’re going to say, “This study had a bias,” it was going to be in favor of the vaccinated, which is what makes this so unique. They set out to prove the vaccinated were the healthiest. Instead, some of their data is even more damaging and terrifying than those other studies.

Up until this moment, there is no study in the world that compares vaccinated to completely unvaccinated and shows that the vaccinated are healthier. That’s a major problem. That is what we’re shouting from the mountaintops with this film. It’s a demand. This is only 20,000 kids. The CDC needs to take a larger database.

We need to take the health databases of every single state in America. We need the NHS in England to take its entire database. We need Sweden to take this database, as well as Japan, and across the world. Compare your vaccinated to your unvaccinated. Around the world, we’re all using different vaccine schedules. We’re the most vaccinated nation in the world. If this study is true and the other 4 or 5 that have been done are true, then we have made an absolute complete scientific error with this vaccine program because the numbers are staggering.

Bobby and President Trump will say that 40% chronic diseases in children. I like to say 54% if you add in obesity. I don’t think you can blame obesity just on lifestyle decisions. These chemicals, these things, and maybe even these vaccines are contributing to it. With those numbers, 54% of our children are chronically ill with either a neurological disorder, an autoimmune disease, or obesity.

54% of our children are chronically ill, suffering from a neurological disorder, an autoimmune disease, or obesity.

That is up from 12% in the 1980s. That means in roughly 40 years, we’ve seen the greatest decline in human health that has ever been recorded. We’re the sickest nation in the world. We’re the sickest generation of children that has ever been in this country. No Tony Fauci and no Peter Marks get to dance around how great they are and how great the CDC and the HHS are.

Our regulatory agencies have overseen and frankly been responsible for the greatest decline in human health, especially children’s health, that has ever been recorded. When you look at this study, when you look at 54% chronic disease in our American children, this study shows that when they do a chart, over ten years, what would be the likelihood that you would have a chronic disease? In the vaccinated, that likelihood was 57% in this study. That is close to 54%.

I want that to sink in. These stats are staggering and are signs, if not at least red flags, for the parent who is in the balance and uncertain about how to proceed. Whether the scientists are convinced or not, you are acting like a true scientist by saying, “Let’s continue to do the studies. Let’s continue to look at whatever the outcome may be.” Dr. Zervos’ studies may have come with a different conclusion, and you were taking that risk. You had the feeling because you’ve been seeing the data accumulating from true scientists that indicate that the unvaccinated populations are consistently healthier.

The Great Cover-Up: Why Has No Health Agency Ever Done This Study?

I was also suspicious because not a single health agency in the world has ever produced this study. I’m a journalist. You learn to have a feeling about things or a red flag about something. You have Robert Kennedy Jr. out there saying they’ve never done placebo-based trials. I was his director of communications when he ran for president, so I have a bias on this story.

Let’s be clear. There was not a health agency in the world that wanted Robert Kennedy Jr. to be HHS secretary. I assure you, it is not lost on them that all they needed to do to prove his statements wrong was to compare their vaccinated to their unvaccinated. In whatever nation you’re in in the United States of America, the CDC under Joe Biden could have done it. The CDC under Obama could have done it. The CDC at any time could have done this study to shut up Del Bigtree, every anti-vaxxer, and Andy Wakefield.

Robert Kennedy Jr. said, “See? We compared these two groups of kids, and the unvaccinated are clearly living longer and have healthier lives. Why has that study never been done? If it had been, you would’ve known about it. That would’ve been the headline Sanjay Gupta would’ve never stopped talking about. It would’ve been the headline around the world. Why wouldn’t they do the most obvious study known to man to finally win this argument?

I had a hunch when I went to Dr. Marcus Zervos. My hunch is they have done this study every way possible. Thousands of ways. They were like, “Take away this. Take away that. Try to control this. Make it an age group.” The data is so incredibly toxic and damning that all they do is attack anyone who tries to do this study because it’s all they have left.

The data is so incredibly toxic and damning that all they do is attack anyone who tries to do this study, because it’s all they have left.

The genie is out of the bottle. This study is showing that this conversation is all but over. We are very close to living in a different world where we’re going to have to accept, “Did we trade chickenpox for permanent chronic eczema?” In some ways, I’ll have chickenpox all over my body my whole life? Am I going to fight a rash all over my body my entire life, versus allowing my kids to have a rash for 4 or 5 days?” That is the question of our time. Did we trade a trivial childhood illness for a chronic lifelong disease?

The CDC came out with a stat. Seventy-six percent of adults are chronically ill. We’re dying. Our species is dying. We’re the only animal on the planet that is losing our ability for our immune systems to protect us. That’s what that is. When you have an autoimmune disease, you have immune system dysregulation, which means your immune system isn’t working right. Why would that be? Is it the fluoride in our water? Is it the pesticides on our crops? Is it the plastics? Is it the forever chemicals? Is it possible that if immune system dysregulation is the crisis of our times, that it’s this product we’re giving you that is designed to alter your immune system for life?

It’s designed to trick your immune system into fighting a disease you don’t have. We’re not tricking it 1 time, 10 times, 20 times, 50 times, or 60 times. We have 72 two vaccines by the time we’re 18, and we’re shocked that we suddenly have an immune system dysregulation that is confused? Our immune system is attacking proteins in our own body, attacking the myelin sheath around our muscles, and attacking our liver and our pancreas.

It shouldn’t take a rocket scientist to at least say, “We should probably move vaccines up to the number one thing we test in the middle of this crisis. Maybe we’ve made a mistake. Maybe 1 vaccine was okay, or 5. Maybe 10 in the 1980s, when we were only at 12% chronic disease. Maybe that was a trade-off. Since we’ve crossed, and this is what this study and multiple studies show us, you have more than a coin toss risk of having a chronic disease in your child if you vaccinate them. That’s horrible. That’s worse than 50%. This study shows that only 43% of the vaccinated will escape having chronic disease if they get vaccinated, whereas 83% of the unvaccinated will never have chronic disease. That is a news flash of all news flashes.

You have more than a coin toss’s risk of your child having a chronic disease if you vaccinate them.

I remember in the movie, they said one of the things we couldn’t control in the study was the fact that those who weren’t vaccinated weren’t having as frequent hospital visits. I was like, “If they’re well, they’re not going to come back around to the hospital for any need because they don’t have a need.” Let me ask you a question. The mainstream scientists, people who genuinely want to know the results of these studies, how will they get hold of this study if it hasn’t been published?

The Leak: How Senator Ron Johnson Made The Study Public

We got lucky. The reason this took so many years was that we couldn’t legally figure out a way to publish it. That would be a copyright infringement or something. It wasn’t the right way to go about it. We were looking for other scientists who might somehow be able to get this data from Henry Ford. It was when Aaron Siri handed the study to Senator Ron Johnson to look at.

He said, “You’ve been doing great work on this topic. You should know this data even shows up in this unpublished study.” Senator Johnson said, “This is an outrage. This study needs to be seen by the world.” As a public representative, he is allowed. If it’s for the public good, he overcomes some of the limitations. He published the study on the Senate website and had a hearing about it. By publishing it, he made it available to the public so that we could tell this story.

I want to tip my hat to Senator Ron Johnson, who has been an absolute hero for the vaccine-injured throughout COVID, which woke him up. Moving beyond that look in his childhood vaccine program, he gets it, and at great risk to certainly his own career. That’s what made that possible. Anyone who wants to read the study, the study is available on the Senate website. Our website, An Inconvenient Study, has the entire study there. We also have the film that you can watch for free. I want everyone to share it with the world. You can download it and have a house party. If you want a movie theater, you can ask for it, and we’ll send the high-quality copy that a movie theater would use.

Also, what we’re doing is we’re publishing on that website all the attacks on the study. As you pointed out, I do believe in the scientific method. I do want the challenges. Unlike science, I don’t want to censor people who do not agree with me. I want an uncensored scientific debate to take place that needs to take place. It appears to be happening.

We are putting out all the attacks that the mainstream scientists are making on this study, and we’re rebutting them with scientific evidence and the reason that we think this study stands up. That is exactly what Peter Gøtzsche is doing all on his own. We’re all saying the same thing. This should not be the final study. This does not end this conversation. Hopefully, this is the beginning of the most robust conversation that will ever happen in the world.

We need more studies. They need to be bigger. We need both sides signing off on how you’re going to do the study before it’s done, so we keep bias out of it. We need to make sure that we’re not letting in any bias that can affect the studies. This is what Robert Kennedy Jr. is trying to do. This film and this study crimes our understanding of the vaccinated versus unvaccinated study and the need for it to happen. It’s a simple film. It’s a great film. It’s a human study. All the information you want is at An Inconvenient Study.

I love that so much. I have a couple of more questions as we wrap up. I know the answer to this one, but I have to ask. What is keeping these important agencies, scientific institutions, and health centers from doing this study, from replicating this study, or from asking this important question? Is it money?

Beyond Money: The Role Of Power & Censorship In The Health Crisis

I always say money undermines the power of what we’re up against. Greed is a huge factor, but greed is not as big a factor as power. The pharmaceutical industry and the medical establishment have power over the world. We experienced it during COVID. No one saw this coming. Maybe Bill Gates did when he started buying up NGOs and getting behind vaccine programs and pharmaceutical advancement.

Money undermines the power of what we’re up against.

When did America take the greatest blow to its sovereignty we’ve seen? It was through health. They could make us afraid that there was a pandemic. They could take away our rights to go to church. They could take away our rights to go to school. They could take away our rights to make a living. They could take away the most important fundamental right of free speech.

I lost my YouTube channel. I lost my Facebook channel. We had a president who we know was involved in stopping free speech through social media and was promising that if they got re-elected, they would make misinformation their number one campaign. It’s very interesting. It was the administration that told us that the vaccine stopped transmission, and it couldn’t.

They told us we had to wear masks when now we know there’s no science that shows it can stop a particle as small as the Coronavirus. They told us about a six-foot distancing, which is why we had to lock ourselves in our home. He was attacking Anthony Fauci, saying, “You’re not attacking me. You’re attacking science,” as though he were the science. Congressional hearings show that that was an arbitrary, made-up rule that has no basis in science whatsoever.

What was the misinformation? The misinformation came from our own president, our own nation, and all the leaders of the world. They want to be the ones to decide what misinformation is. That was the most terrifying election I’ve ever sat through. I believe no matter what party you’re in, no party should ever stand for censorship or having the government decide what the truth is. That is exactly why our founding fathers created the First Amendment. That is why we have this nation that we do. If we lose our First Amendment rights, we lose every right that comes after because you cannot fight for them.

That’s why this issue has been so important. They’ve never done these studies because of what I said. They can’t do these studies. Also, they’re all funded and corrupted by pharma. They’re not allowed to do these studies. People get fired for doing these studies, which is exactly what Marcus Zervos says over and over again. He is like a man who has seen a ghost.There are those who are angry at him because he wouldn’t charge into that fire. For scientists, this is a suicide mission, which it should not be. Science should never be a suicide to tell the truth. It’s got to change.

With where technology is going, the games that they’re playing, and the things that they’re trying, if we can’t challenge it, I don’t think our species will last long on this earth. If we keep doing what we did during COVID, which is rush a product on the market that had never been successful in animal models, race it out to the public in a year, lie to the public about its efficacy, lie to the public about its safety, and then tell them, “You can’t go to work or school without getting that product.” I hope that we’ve survived COVID.

There are a lot of very scary things happening with the rise in cancer, heart disease, and all these things that can be attributed to that vaccine. More studies need to be done. Let’s be clear. If we keep allowing the pharmaceutical industry to work that way, rush products out without long-term safety studies, and use our government to force us to take it, can you imagine? We only need one mistake if we were getting a product everyone has to take that wipes our species off the planet.

There has never been a virus that came anywhere close to wiping our species off this planet, not since the dawn of man, but a mistake by man that is forced into everybody could be the end of us. That is why we need the scientific method. I feel like this film and this study have put a couple of shock paddles. We woke up science. They’re attacking me. That’s great. You’re awake. Let’s have this debate. Let’s do this.

I love this. Two more questions, and then we’ll wrap up. One is this. What do you say to the person who’s like, “There goes Del Bigtree again. He’s against vaccinations and science,” and all the critics you may hear? What do you say to the person who dismisses out of hand this whole study and its results, what you’ve published in your movie?

Final Message: Responding To Critics & Del’s #1 Health Tip

You dismiss it at your own peril if you decide to stick your head in the sand and not look at the other side of the argument. The definition of insanity is believing you’re the only one who’s right. I make sure that I’m very careful to ask myself in everything I do, “Am I seeing this because I have a bias? We all have confirmation bias. No doubt about it. What we believe is what we see, not what we see is what we believe. We have to be careful with everything that we do.

That is why I’ve approached this film that way. This is not an opinion. I’m showing you the evidence, all the studies that have shown this result, and the people who have done these studies. You need to take that information in. If you can’t listen to the other side, then you don’t believe in science. You are a part of a religion. Religions demand faith in the perspective that you have. Science demands the challenge. You should want the challenge. You should want to see the challenge. You should want to have the argument and say to your side, “What are we going to challenge that with? What is our rebutt to that?” Then, you come to your own conclusion. You cannot be informed if you do not know both sides of this conversation.

I love that so much. I want to pose you the question I love to pose at the end of every episode. If the reader could do one thing to improve their health, one thing to take a step in the right direction of being their healthiest self on this planet, what would you recommend that they do?

I said this last time. Drink more water. Why? It’s because I need to. If there is one thing I’m not doing enough of, it’s drinking water. We’re not drinking enough water, so every toxin builds up. We’re not giving our bodies the ability to release. I heard a great speaker say saunas and sweating every day is one of the best things you can do, but you have to have water inside of you to be able to sweat something out. I’d say drink water.

I love it. On behalf of the Weston A. Price Foundation, it has been a pleasure talking to you. Thank you so much.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

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Our guest was Del Bigtree. You can visit his websites, The Highwire, ICAN, and An Inconvenient Study to learn more. Here is a simple reminder to avail yourself of the resources that we have on our website. Go to The Weston A. Price Foundation, click on Order Material, and find everything from brochures, our shopping guides, to our most popular main brochure called The Timeless Principles of Healthy Traditional Diets. We are here for you. Thank you so much for tuning in. Stay well, and remember to keep your feet on the ground and your face to the sun.

About Del Bigtree

Del Bigtree is one of the preeminent voices of the MAHA Movement. He was the Director of Communications for Robert Kennedy Jr’s 2024 presidential campaign, and is the founder and CEO of the non-profit, Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN), and host of the internet talk show TheHighWire.com, boasting over 400 million views world-wide.

A former Emmy winning producer of the CBS talk show The Doctors, Del’s multi-pronged approach incorporates media, legislative, and legal actions to expose the fraud, lies, and conflicts of interest that have allowed US regulatory agencies to collude with industry power brokers to evade standardized safety testing on products including vaccines, drugs, food, drinking water, and 5G.

On behalf of American citizens, Del’s non-profit, ICAN, has submitted over one thousand Freedom Of Information Requests (FOIA) and has won multiple lawsuits against government agencies including HHS, NIH, FDA and the CDC. Most notable are the FDA case that forced the release of Pfizer’s Covid Vaccine trial data which the FDA had attempted to hide for 75 years, the CDC case that forced the release of the CDC’s V-Safe Covid Vaccine Injury data, and the State of Mississippi Case which reinstated the Religious Exemption from Vaccination which had been denied for over 30 years.