Cure Your Fatigue and Slow the Aging Process

Mineral deficiencies could be at the root of much of our fatigue and illness. The proper balance of magnesium, copper, and iron can go far in restoring our health and curing our fatigue. Today, Morley Robbins, author of “Cure Your Fatigue” and founder of The Root Cause Protocol, offers insights on this topic.

After decades of research, Morley has come to understand that magnesium, in particular, plays a key role in all metabolic systems, and is, therefore, a contributing factor to nearly all major health issues. Magnesium deficiency is the common thread for millions of Americans who suffer from general fatigue, in addition to a number of other conditions including heart disease, diabetes, obesity, osteoporosis, cancer, and chronic conditions that stem from inflammation.

Today, he explains how to achieve the proper balance of core minerals–copper, iron, and magnesium–to turn things around and restore the body’s balance. And he discusses where these minerals are found to incorporate them into the diet, absorb these critical nutrients, and improve our health and energy levels.

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Within the below transcript the bolded text is Hilda Labrada Gore and the regular text is Morley Robbins.

What if the root of many of our illnesses and diseases was simply mineral deficiencies? This is episode 343. Our guest is Morley Robbins. Morley is the Creator and Founder of The Root Cause Protocol and the Magnesium Advocacy Group. He received his BA in Biology from Denison University in Ohio, and he holds an MBA from George Washington University in Healthcare Administration. Morley is also known as the Magnesium Man due to his extensive research into and understanding of magnesium’s role in the body. He addresses the elephant in the room, why so many of us are sick. The answer, according to Morley, is simple. It’s related to mineral deficiencies that are the cause of metabolic dysfunction. After decades of research, Morley has come to understand that magnesium, in particular, plays a role in all metabolic systems and therefore, it’s a contributing factor to nearly all major health issues.

That is magnesium deficiency. It is the common thread for millions of Americans who are dealing with heart disease, diabetes, obesity, osteoporosis, cancer, general fatigue, and any chronic condition born out of inflammation. Morley explains how to achieve the proper balance of core minerals, copper, iron, and magnesium that works synergistically to maintain the body’s balance and wellbeing. He goes over how to incorporate them into the diets that we can absorb these critical nutrients and improve our health.

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Welcome to the show, Morley.

Thanks for the invite. I’m excited to have this conversation.

I have heard you say that you have information that was never taught in medical school. How can you be so sure?

I’ve talked to a lot of doctors, and they’ve assured me that they did not learn this. A lot of people are familiar with the book, but then it became the movie, The Lord of The Rings. The other is J.K. Rowling’s Harry Potter series. What’s the one thing we can’t talk about? It’s Voldemort. Voldemort in medical school is copper, “That which cannot be named.” First of all, they don’t talk about minerals in any doctor’s school. That’s not taught anywhere. If people knew how little their doctors knew about mineral metabolism, oxygen metabolism, and energy metabolism, they’d run the other way.

As I’ve gotten into the research, several years in, I spend 2 to 3 hours a day, every morning, reading peer-reviewed scientific literature. I’ve read probably 5,000 or 6,000 articles now, and that’s more than 5,000 or 6,000 doctors that they don’t read. The other thing that surprised me was that God loved doctors. They’re great. They’re wonderful people. They have the hearts of gold, but they don’t have time to research. They do what they were trained. The real problem is they’ve confused their training with the truth. They’re not the same.

You were a pre-med student at one time. What was the focus on in medical school? If not, what are the things you’re discussing?

It was doing deep dives into chemistry, biochemistry, and physics. Organic chemistry was another world. You get into the actual professional school, and it’s learning. It’s just memorization, memorizing all these disease states. The way I characterize it now is a lot of people are familiar with the Bible. Regardless of what our background is, we’ve heard of the Bible, and there’s a lot of doom and gloom in the Bible, but there’s also a protagonist. We know who that is. It’s been a source of controversy on the planet for a lot of years, but the Bible in conventional healing is called the Merck Manual. It’s 600 pages. It’s the go-to reference point for any doctor to look up different conditions. It’s all doom and gloom, and there is no protagonist. It turns out that bioavailable copper is the protagonist on this planet, and that’s not taught anywhere.

Why is copper so important?

We live on a planet with oxygen. Twenty-one percent of the air we breathe is oxygen. What a lot of people don’t know is that we didn’t always have oxygen on this planet. If you go back billions of years ago, there was no oxygen. For some unknown reason, about 2.3 billion years ago, there were cyanobacteria, blue bacteria in the iron ocean back then. How the astrobiologists know this, I have no idea, but they do, or at least they’re very emphatic about it. It was mostly iron. Iron is the number one element on the planet. The cyanobacteria started to engage in photosynthesis and give off oxygen into the atmosphere. There was a very small amount back then, but when there was 1% oxygen, it wiped out 99% of life on planet Earth.

It’s called the Great Oxidation Event. It’s an important part of our history to understand disease. If you don’t understand oxygen, there’s no way you can solve the problem. What’s important to understand is that what came to our rescue was a metal called copper. What emerged at that time period were enzymes called multicopper oxidases. They’re important because they turn oxygen into water and allow us to release energy in our mitochondria. We can’t be here without them. They’re called MCOs. There are thousands of different forms of MCOs in our gut. That’s important to know. Antibiotics are hard on MCOs, by the way.

It turns out that we do have a blueprint that runs our metabolism and the blueprint runs on the blue protein.

We’ve got a chemical called melatonin. People have heard of it. It goes back to the Great Oxidation Event. It’s a powerful antioxidant. We have this element called cholesterol. Cholesterol goes all the way back to the Great Oxygenation Event. It’s been on the planet for a long time. It’s not a source of disease. When it gets rusty, that’s when it’s a problem. How does it get oxidized? We have too much iron in our diet. It’s a different world when you understand copper metabolism.

What is essential to the story is it’s called the blue protein, but its formal name is ceruloplasmin, blue blood. It’s in our blood. It’s a soluble form of an enzyme that’s in our blood. It turns out that we do have a blueprint that runs our metabolism and the blueprint runs on the blue protein. It’s amazing that our immune system, metabolic processes, and mitochondria depend on it. That blue protein is what delivers copper to the mitochondria.

That’s essential for energy to be made.

We have 100 trillion cells in our body, give or take a couple of hundreds. We have 40 quadrillion mitochondria. That’s 15 zeros. The average cell has 500 mitochondria. The average liver cell has 2,000 mitochondria, the average kidney cell, 4,000 mitochondria, the average heart cell, 10,000 mitochondria. The average egg in a mature woman’s body has 600,000 mitochondria. We get to the brain, and you’re sitting down, is your seatbelt on?

You’ve probably have heard of Parkinson’s. That involves the part of the brain called the substantia nigra, substantial dark. What’s it filled with? It’s supposed to be filled with copper. The neurons and the substantia nigra have 2 million mitochondria. What’s important for people to understand is that there’s a yeast model that’s used to study animal mitochondria. This is the work of Paul Cobine at Auburn University, an absolute genius. There are 50,000 atoms of copper in each mitochondrion. Take 40 quadrillion times 50,000. We got a big number there. The way we’re supposed to be designed is to have access to that copper in order to run our system. The average adult has about 90 to 100 milligrams of copper in their body to put it into perspective.

The average adult has between 4,000 and 5,000 milligrams of iron. What’s fascinating is that in the field of homeopathy, copper is referred to as the general and iron is referred to as the foot soldier. Like in the military, there are only a few generals, but they call the shots. It’s painfully well-documented in the literature that copper regulates iron. It’s all over science, but it’s not taught in doctor’s schools. The most accepted explanation for aging is called the free radical theory of aging. This was originally proposed by Denham Harman, who was a Chemical Engineer studying oxidative stress in the industrial setting. Back in the ‘50s, he decided he wanted to become a doctor. He got a PhD in Engineering, decided to go to medical school.

He didn’t just go to medical school. He went to Stanford. This guy’s talented. In 1956, he wrote the Free Radical Theory of Aging article, which turned allopathic medicine on its ear. Up until that point, it was all about bugs and toxins and all this stuff. He said, “No, it’s the oxygen molecule that’s been mismanaged that’s causing this.” There was a lot of strife around that theory. In 1969, it was legitimized when there was research done at Duke University to discover a very important enzyme that also goes back to the Great Oxygenation Event. It’s called superoxide dismutase. Superoxide is an oxygen molecule with an extra electron, and it’s grumpy about it. It should be called hyperoxide, but we live in a funny age. We called it superoxide like it’s Superman. It’s destructive.

Dismutase is a silly way of saying neutralized. Superoxide dismutase is copper-dependent. There are two atoms of copper. There’s the atom of zinc, but it’s structural. It’s what allows us to exist on this planet. When that enzyme was discovered and written up, it puts the free radical theory of aging on the map. It was refined further in 1972. At the tender age of 90, Dr. Harman wrote an update in 2006 to the free radical theory of aging. It’s now the most accepted explanation for why we age. It’s simple. The word aging is just another way of saying iron accumulation.

This is going to take a minute to sink in for me. I’m sure the readers as well because this is so different from what we’ve heard before. You’re saying that we need to rebalance our minerals and pay more attention to copper, magnesium, and iron than we may have previously thought.

That’s a great summary of what the whole focus is. A lot of people who do know about minerals worry about 82 minerals. You don’t need to worry about 82. You just name the three, magnesium, copper, and iron. We need more magnesium and bioavailable copper. Bioavailable because it’s got to be housed in its enzymes to be fully functional. We need less iron. The biological rule that a lot of people don’t know about is it’s not my theory. This is the work of Dr. Crypton, Douglas Kell, and Gutteridge, and Halliwell. These are the great iron biologists on the planet. The accepted model is that we gain 1 milligram of iron every day we’re on a planet. Take your age, multiply it times 365. It’s going to be a big number. It’s going to be five digits.

As a woman, you should have about 4,000 milligrams of iron. That extra iron is what causes the aging process. As we age, we are losing magnesium and copper and gaining iron and calcium. Where do they crisscross? Around the age of 40. Talk to anyone who’s 40 years old and ask them if they had to go get prescriptions for their glasses. They change. Often, they do. When did the aches and pains start? When we’re about 40 years old. It’s just this gradual breakdown as we go into the grave. It’s fascinating to watch.

I want to go with you now to what the sources of these minerals are. Where are we getting all that increased iron, for example, and where can we get more copper and magnesium that we need?

The iron is everywhere. It’s in produce, grains, supplements, and the mistakes that practitioners make that they think people are anemic when the iron is stuck in the tissue. It’s not showing up in the blood. It’s the biggest mistake that’s made on the planet. I’ve taken the stance that there are two things that I’m known for in a heretical way. There is no disease. There is no medical disease, but there is metabolic dysfunction caused by mineral dysregulation. My other stomping ground is there is no anemia or iron deficiency. It’s iron dysregulation. Anyone who has low iron in their blood has high iron in their tissue. I’ve been able to establish that with hundreds of consults with people. A lot of mistakes are made around iron, and people take iron regularly above and beyond their daily vitamin.

They’re taking iron and not thinking about what it’s doing. There’s insidious access between sugar and iron. They play off of each other. Sally Fallon is one of the real geniuses on the planet around retinol. Retinol and copper are another access. A lot of people don’t know that copper is a fat-soluble vitamin. You can’t absorb copper unless you have fat in your diet. That’s Weston A. Price. Here’s the catch, there’s got to be copper in the soil in order to get into the grass. When Joel Salatin is talking about being a grass farmer, he’s holding up his bouquet of grass, it’s teeming with Vitamin C, but people don’t know that Vitamin C has copper at the center of it. It’s teeming with beta carotene, but people don’t know that that’s another form of retinol.

The animal who’s eating that grass turns that beta carotene into retinol in their system. It’s important to our physiology, but what’s happened is that our ancestors were raised on grass-fed animals that had access to copper and retinol. Now we live in a world that’s dominated by iron and sugar. It’s a very different world. Here’s an example, everyone’s always asking me, “What’s new, Morley?” I always like to say, “Let’s talk about what’s enduring.” I do a lot of research back in the ‘20s and ‘30s. I came across a study. I was looking at 1935, a study in China. They were looking at a high copper diet. I was surprised it was based in China, but the focus was spinach and pork.

Those were the two foods that were high in copper in 1935. People may be surprised to find out that the agricultural scientists had been working overtime to turn spinach into an iron product. There’s no copper in them anymore. It’s been hybridized. Pigs are eating GMO corn and GMO soy. The products that have been turned into GMO were historically great sources of copper, not so much anymore. Corn, soybean, beets, alfalfa, all of these rich sources of copper have been excised from our diet. If people get nothing out of this conversation, I want them to remember this one fact. A very important research team at the University of Wisconsin in Madison headed up by Dr. Hart in 1928 established that an animal that is denied copper in its diet will accumulate iron in its liver.

It’s biological and axiomatic. It’s not like, “It’s Tuesday. Maybe there’s a little bit of iron.” A low copper diet will yield a high iron animal. When the liver gets too much iron, it’s going to affect 500 enzymes. It’s a profound scientific issue that is not taught anywhere. I can assure you that most people are eating a low copper diet. How do we know this? It’s been proven in the research that there’s been an 80% loss of copper on the farm going back many years. Nobody talks about it. It’s hush-hush. We’re not supposed to know this. The world now is different than it was during Dr. Price’s day. If I could wave a magic wand and go back to 1920, I’d like to whisper in his and his wife’s here and say, “Could you look at the minerals too?” He would have found that it was a high copper diet in addition to a high retinol diet.

The cells can’t recycle things because they don’t have enough copper.

Our Wise Traditions principle number three has to do with nutrient density. Dr. Price did analyze not only the water-soluble and fat-soluble vitamins but some minerals as well. Perhaps he could have spent a little more time on that, but may he rest in peace. We’re still grateful for all that he did.

He’s one of my all-time heroes, the courage that he took to do that.

What you’re saying resonates with all of us who are part of this regenerative agriculture and slow food movement because we know a carrot now is different than a carrot years ago. The nutrient content is different. What you’re saying makes sense to me. The question is, is it too late to reverse? Do you have some stories of folks who have found that right mineral balance and regained their health?

I have thousands. My favorite story is about Chester, 88 years old. He is the grandfather of one of my students. He was a former college professor. He loved to tell jokes, but Chester was getting on in years, and he started to get wobbly. He fell and broke his hip and was put in a nursing home. The students said, “What have I got to lose?” She talked to the staff, and she said, “I’d like to put him on The Root Cause Protocol.” I said, “Why not?” They were very faithful about applying the principles, and she got a call eleven weeks after they started.

The director of the nursing home said, “What’s in this protocol?” She said, “Why?” She said, “Your grandfather is telling us jokes again and always remembering the punchline.” As time went on, she was able to engineer a conversation between Chester and Morley. Chester burst into tears. I burst into tears because it was like this magical moment when he said, “I want to thank you for getting my life back.” It was special. There are many stories of people who are unable to get pregnant. Now, they have a child. People who had all sorts of chronic conditions have their life back. People are always quick to thank me. I said, “Don’t thank me. Thank mother nature. I stole these principles from her.” You’ll get a kick out of this. We are all familiar with farms. The philosophy of a farm is to recycle.

It’s the overriding flow. We’re going to recycle sunlight, seeds, soil, manure, but it’s only that recycling. That’s been the dominant source of activity on the planet for millennia. Several hundred years ago, along came this other economic force called the factory. The philosophy of the factory is all about replacing. “You need a new TV, car and refrigerator.” We went from recycling to replacing. It turns out that our body isn’t a new farm, and we’re constantly recycling. The body’s always rebuilding. This is the experts’ debate whether it takes 2 or 7 years, it takes some time to recycle. It turns out that all of these recycling programs run at the discretion of bioavailable copper. That’s not taught anymore.

The general.

It turns out that the general is a factory worker and needs to be replaced every day. Our ancestors had access to copper-rich, nutrient-dense, lots of vittles in it. We don’t have that now. There’s this general erosion of the vitality of our tissue because the cells can’t make energy because they don’t have enough copper. The cells can’t recycle things because they don’t have enough copper. The cells can’t stop the oxidative stress because the vast majority of all the antioxidant enzymes run on the power of copper. Ferroxidase, superoxide dismutase, glutathione peroxidase, catalase peroxidase are the big powerhouse antioxidant enzymes in our body, and they all need a copper battery. Do you think that’s taught anywhere in doctor’s school?

No, it doesn’t sound like it. What’s interesting to me is I know you’re a part of a Magnesium Advocacy Group. Why isn’t there a copper advocacy group?

I backed into this. When I started this journey several years ago, one of Dr. Liz’s clients said, “You should write about what you’re reading.” I said, “What do you mean?” She was a psychologist. She said, “You should use paradoxical intent.” I said, “What is that?” She says, “Reverse psychology.” I did a whole series of articles about let’s get fat, how to break bones, let’s make a heart attack.” I had a lot of fun with it because I was just reversing everything. This particular article about let’s make a heart attack, it was a ten-step plan. Seven of the steps came from the American Heart Association. What they tell us to do causes a heart attack.

You mean what they tell us to do is the opposite of what we should be doing.

I was able to prove it in the literature. I had citations. I gave the article to another client of Dr. Liz’s, and I said, “Could you read this and let me know what you think?” She was a practitioner, and she read it. She said, “This is clever and it’s good, but I can’t help but think that step number eight isn’t more important.” Step number eight was to eliminate magnesium from your diet. I thought, “Maybe she’s right.” I went out, and I bought Carolyn Dean’s book, The Magnesium Miracle, and I started reading it.

I was hooked from the first sentence because suddenly, I realized why everyone in the hospitals in which I worked was so sick. I started out thinking that it was just a magnesium deficiency. It’s not that simple. My thinking has evolved over to realize that you have high iron when you have low bioavailable copper. High iron causes magnesium loss. That’s where the whole mechanism is. It comes back to those same three minerals. Why is retinol so important? It is because retinol stops inflammation, but it also makes copper bioavailable. It’s what allows it to be loaded in key enzymes.

I can see that this is a deep topic. I don’t know that we can cover it all because I was reviewing your Root Cause Protocol and how to regain the balance among these minerals. It’s quite involved. Has there ever been someone who says to you, “This is too much? You’re crazy. I’m going to go back to what my regular doctor had to say?”

That does happen. People are looking for a simple solution. The thing is, in society, it’s probably only about 2% or 3% who want to take responsibility for themselves. It’s not as high as you think it is. It’s a much smaller percentage of people. That’s who this protocol is designed for, that hardcore who wants to take the reins and work through the process. There are aspects of it that are incredibly simple. There’s a whole series of things to stop doing, and we’re very quick to talk about it. A lot of people were always surprised at what we tell people to stop taking, like stop taking vitamin D, ascorbic acid, iron supplements, and so on.

We have research to back that up. This isn’t some, “I’ve got an opinion.” It’s a compendium of research. Once people get those things out of their routine, they feel better already before they even get to the start. What we’ve done is design the starts to go in phases, phase 1, 2, and 3 and ease people into this process because it’s overwhelming for two reasons. One, we’ve been trained to think that there is disease. There is no disease. It doesn’t exist, especially on a planet when you understand oxygen. It has to overcome that mental construct that we’ve been raised in. There is a certain cadence to how you take these minerals during the day so that you get the full benefit of it.

People really want to get well but probably only about two or 3% who really want to take responsibility for themselves.

I don’t want to imply that it’s super complicated because it’s not. Once you understand the principles behind it, people are easy. This is an easy transition, especially for people who’ve taken the steps and the time to become Pricers. It’s important for people to realize that wisdom and genius are in nature. We know that. In my humble opinion, I don’t think there was enough understanding about oxidative stress and how copper and iron are fighting over the oxygen molecule all day long in our bodies. Once you come to that realization, you see the simplicity of our physiology, but then you see the enormity of it as well. It’s a very important moment when people come to realize, “I can take control of this.”

We have a lot of common ground. People who read this show or part of the Weston Price Foundation understand that our bodies are able to heal themselves and we don’t need to necessarily turn to a so-called expert in the conventional allopathic medical field so much as rediscover the wisdom that our ancestors had. Maybe Dr. Price didn’t spend as much time on the minerals because the people back then didn’t have that much oxidative stress because of the copper bioavailability in their diets and so forth. Let me ask you a couple more questions before we wrap up. Where can we find more bioavailable copper in our diets?

There are three sources that we focus on in the protocol. Bee pollen, locally grown with organic farmers. I’m aware of the GMO crisis there as well. You can’t pollinate a flower and an animal without copper. What is in the bee pollen is a rich source of bee vitamins, and there’s going to be copper in there, which is a wonderful source of nutrients. We’ve got the whole controversy of real vitamin C as opposed to ascorbic acid. It took me a long time to realize why animals are eating grass. They’re eating grass for a lot of reasons, but one of them is for the vitamin C, probably one of the best sources of vitamin C beyond a diet.

The catch here is that everyone wants to know what are some good foods for vitamin C. There are fourteen times more vitamin C in grass than there is in orange. That’s for people to know. There’s eighteen times more beta carotene in grass than there is in carrots. That’s a good thing to know. Don’t be afraid of grass-fed products, but here’s the catch. The grass and these food products are only as good as the mineral composition in the soil. You need to talk to the farmer and say, “How are you feeding your soil?” It isn’t just the minerals. It’s the microbes. That’s where the real crisis is in regenerative farming. We were supposed to have seven fungi for every bacterium.

Now, it’s 1 to 1. On a commercial farm, there’s absolute devastation of the fungi. That’s a serious problem. The microbial structure of soil has changed. It’s because of all the chemicals, but the thing is, food is an important source. Sauerkraut, great source of Vitamin C. A cup of cabbage is 60 milligrams of real Vitamin C. When you allow that to ferment with the natural yeast in the air. It becomes 600 milligrams of Vitamin C. Captain Cook knew that. He’s the only mariner back in the age of sail that had no sailors die from scurvy. It’s clever the way he did it.

He would serve the sauerkraut to the officers, and the seamen would walk by, and they said, “What are you eating? What is the special food for the officers? We want that.” “No, you don’t want that.” He would use the used car salesman. “You can’t have that. It’s too good for you.” He got all the seamen to say they wanted it. It’s a funny story about his genius. Beyond the food, we use supplements. A rich source of Vitamin C is an innate response. It has a very high-end Vitamin C. It packs a punch of ascorbic acid. You just got to let it go. Don’t do the liposomal and the IVs. They destroy Ceruloplasmin, and people don’t know that. The third source is grass-fed beef liver. In a healthy cow eating grass, the way our ancestor’s cows did, there’s twice as much copper as there is iron in a healthy beef liver.

We’ve been trained to think of it as an iron organ. It stores copper, retinol, and iron. It’s meant to store all three. It’s a low-copper diet. It’s going to store a lot of iron. That’s the game that’s been played for many years. We didn’t know that game was being played. The beef liver that I grew up with, my mom was very insistent about beef liver every week, it tasted yummy. Why doesn’t it taste so yummy now? Why? I was born in 1952. Back then, the cows were still eating grass. Now in 2021, they’re eating GMO grain, and it’s got a completely different composition. That’s why it doesn’t taste right. I have had the pleasure of talking to over 6,500 people in consults. I have a list of thirteen people who get excited about the fact they need a beef liver. Everyone else hates it because they don’t understand the importance of grass-fed nutrition.

One thing we do here at the foundation is we connect people with their local chapter leaders where they can find some of the best-sourced meats and organ meats, which we know are so important. I appreciate you’re making an emphasis on that. I want to ask you one more question before I ask my final question. How do we lower our iron levels since you said that that’s critical as well?

We’re going to do two things. One, we’re going to raise our bioavailable copper, and the general’s going to take over. It’s going to allow the recycling system. It’s an important iron recycling system that provides 95% of our daily iron requirement. 24 of the 25 milligrams we need every day to make the next day’s batch of red blood cells. To give the readers a context, we make 2 million red blood cells every second. Multiply that times 60, times 24.

It’s a big number again. We need 25 milligrams of iron, and that comes from a recycling system that provides 24 of those 25 milligrams. That can only happen when the general is in charge. The other thing we’re going to do on a regular basis is encourage people to do blood donations. For women who are menopausal or men at any age can make quarterly blood donations. For women who are still cycling, we encourage them to do it at least once or twice a year, in addition to their monthly blood loss.

People can use a whole series of key learners, iDetox, Course Attend, IP-6. There’s a number of different products out there, but what we encourage people to do is have an understanding of their mineral composition before they start to get deep into this. We tend to use hair tests and blood tests. There’s a test out there called the Full Monty Iron Panel. All It did was cobble together existing tests into one that no one had ever designed it before because it’s looking at magnesium, zinc, copper, iron, vitamin A and vitamin D. It’s a fascinating array of variables, but it tells a powerful story about what’s going on inside someone’s body. The reason we use the testing is not so much to diagnose anything. We don’t diagnose anything.

We don’t treat anything. We’re using the testing to validate the stress that people have been under because the stress causes mineral loss. The mineral loss causes mineral dysregulation. I was talking with a client, 67 years old. She had a car accident when she was in college. She’s never been the same since. I said, “Did you ever go to see a chiropractor?” She said, “No.” She had three other rear-end accidents after that.

We’re the same age, but she’s working from a lot of physical trauma that became fibromyalgia. That then became all sorts of metabolic issues. What does the body do when it’s injured? It recruits hemoglobin. Why? It carries oxygen. The tissue wants to make the energy to repair the tissue. If you don’t have copper, you can’t flip the oxygen and turn it into water. You can’t make energy. The oxygen and the iron stick together and cause rust. That’s the basis of most people’s problems, right there.

Thank you for doing this. I was going to say a deep dive, but I feel like we just scratched the surface. Thank you for taking us as far as you did and for our understanding of the need to balance our minerals. You blew my mind about the fact that there may not be disease after all and that maybe we’re looking at things through the wrong paradigm. You’ve opened our eyes, or at least my eyes, to this. I appreciate that. I want to ask you now the question I often pose at the end. If the reader could do one thing to improve their health, what would you recommend that they do?

Stop listening to mainstream medicine. It’s a dangerous paradigm. It’s not based on physiology. The core of that thinking is based on Louis Pasteur. People certainly have heard of the debates between Pasteur and Béchamp, particle versus field. What a lot of people don’t realize is that what Béchamp was talking about was the energetic field back to the 40 quadrillion mitochondria. He didn’t know that, but he knew that the field of our body had an electric fence to it.

If you can’t make energy, the electric fence doesn’t work. Pasteur’s job, just like Ancel Key’s job, just like douches’ job, is to get people twisted and focus on the wrong thing and create this mesmerizing message around, “You got to worry about the particle.” We’re coming out of era, post-COVID, realizing, “There’s more to the story.” We don’t need to get into it because I know that the whole thing has been missing.

Is there any discussion about a very big word called immunometabolism? Our immune system runs on energy. Why do we need energy? Our immune system has intelligence, and you can’t have intelligence if you don’t have energy. You can’t have energy if you can’t turn oxygen into water to release the energy molecules. People need to step back from the narrative that we’ve all been exposed to because that’s all it is. It’s a story.

Realize that there are profound insights in the literature. We talk about them regularly with the Root Cause Protocol and on the Magnesium advocacy group. I am very grateful for the opportunity to have this conversation. Maybe if your readers have questions, we can come back to it at some point. What I’ve come to realize is it builds on the principles that are so central to the Weston A. Price movement, but it takes it into a sharper focus around certain areas so that people realize why these nutrients are so important and how they work synergistically in our body. What is needed on this planet is more awareness. A-wareness, A for retinol. We need more A-wareness so that people realize how important proper nutrition is to allow the farm to rebuild, recycle, and make sure that we’re getting that factory worker copper every day.

You don’t need to worry about 82 minerals. You just need more of three: magnesium, copper and iron.

This has been super inspiring, and it was one way to raise that A-wareness, as you’re saying. Thank you for the conversation. It’s been a pleasure.

Thank you for the opportunity.

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Our guest was Morley Robbins. Visit his website, TheRootCauseProtocol.com. You can find me at HolisticHilda.com. For a review from Apple Podcasts, Menina77 says this, “Simply the best. This is my favorite show. I have a 2-acre farm, and I do a lot of tasks on my farm while reading. My only complaint is that they don’t release enough episodes. I want more. I love all the subjects on food, health, and freedom. What a well-rounded, open-minded, and awesome show. I love Hilda’s humor. Her questions are so right on. She is a wonderful host. I have so many good things to say. If you want to learn and be uplifted at the same time, read this.”

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About Morley Robbins

Morley is a former hospital executive & consultant turned mineral expert & wellness educator. He is the Founder of the Root Cause Protocol and the RCP Institute that are devoted to educating the public & their practitioners about how mineral dependent human metabolism really is, and how easily lost our minerals are to our daily stress.

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