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Do you ever wish there were a study comparing outcomes of vaccinated and unvaccinated infants, children, and adults? There have been hundreds of these studies. The results are peer-reviewed and published and have been compiled by our guest today, Dr. Brian Hooker. Brian lets the science speak in the course of this podcast interview and as the co-author of the New York Times best-selling book “Vax-Unvax: Let the Science Speak.” He shares the conclusions of numerous studies that show the difference in health outcomes between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. He also covers specific issues with the flu shot, thimerosal in vaccines, vaccines for pregnant women, and more. This may be just the episode you’ve been waiting for if you’ve wanted some clear-cut data to share with those who have never seen such studies contrasting vaccinated and unvaccinated populations in black and white.

 

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Within the below transcript the bolded text is Hilda Labrada Gore and the regular text is Brian Hooker

Have you ever wished there were clear-cut scientific studies comparing vaccinated individuals and unvaccinated individuals showing which group is healthier? This is episode 457. Our guest is Brian Hooker. Dr. Hooker is the Senior Director of Science and Research at Children’s Health Defense and the co-author of the New York Times bestselling book Vax-Unvax: Let The Science Speak. Brian explains that vaccinated and unvaccinated populations have been compared and contrasted in over 100 independent peer-reviewed published studies.

He offers insights about why the CDC has not conducted such studies itself. He points to what the data shows about the stark differences in health outcomes between the two groups. Dr. Hooker also goes over the infant child vaccination schedule, the issue of thimerosal in vaccines, the flu vaccines, and the impact of vaccines during pregnancy. Finally, he talks about what conclusions can be drawn from the study results for infants, children, and adults. It’s truly data-compelling and a fact that Dr. Hooker believes can win over the most ardent vaccine defender.

Before we get into the conversation, I want to let you know that we have a Healthy Baby Wise Traditions Journal that is entirely dedicated to supporting parents through pregnancy and child-rearing. It offers insights on healthy fetal development, how to avoid autism, details on how to make homemade formula, and what to do about vaccinations. It’s only $12. Go to the Weston A. Price website and the Order Material button, and look for the Healthy Baby Issue. Our guest expresses some views that the Weston A. Price Foundation does not share. When it comes to viruses, the foundation holds that viruses do not exist and therefore do not cause disease.

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Welcome to the show, Brian.

Thank you, Hilda. It is a privilege to be with you. I love what you’re doing. It’s nice to be able to talk with somebody like-minded.

We are thrilled to have you on the show. The Weston A. Price Foundation and people like you are very aligned in terms of wanting to lift both ancient wisdom and modern science. I understand that the impetus behind your new book, Vax-Unvax: Let The Science Speak, is to bring science to the masses. Tell us more about that.

What we wanted to do, Mr. Kennedy and I, was to look for studies that were hiding in plain sight where researchers compared vaccinated versus unvaccinated children or adults, and then take those studies and highlight them in the book with eye-pleasing simple graphics and very concise messages about what these scientists found when they compared the health outcomes of vaccinated versus unvaccinated people. That’s the premise of the book. It reads like a handbook. It goes through over 100 studies that we were able to find in the open scientific literature where they did a vax and unvax comparison.

This came out in peer-reviewed journals and so forth. It’s not that some random person was thinking, “Let me see what numbers I can throw together here.”

All of them were the product of the peer-review process in scientific journals. Most of the journals and articles that we featured were a part of the National Library of Medicine. If you go to the website of PubMed, these are journals that have been vetted by the National Library of Medicine.
They are mainstream. We always get accused of, “That’s some type of alternative journal,” but no. These came from mainstream very reputable scientific journals. I appreciate you pointing that out because it is part of even the pharmaceutical industrial complex that they’re saying. It’s not just the voices of people who are in alternative media. It is an established medical journal.

These are hiding in plain sight because honestly, I’ve been holding my breath waiting for the CDC to conduct these studies but we don’t have to wait for the CDC. Other groups have done them and you’ve included over 100 of these studies in your book.

Other groups have done these. I have been advocating and doing research around vaccine safety for many years and have been asking along with Mr. Kennedy for Federal agencies to do this type of study. If vaccines are safe and effective, and we have over 72 vaccines in the infant child schedule between ages 0 and 18, if that is good for you, then let’s do a study of outcomes of vaccinated versus unvaccinated individuals. CDC refuses to do it. FDA, NIH, or any of the Federal agencies refuse to do these studies but independent individuals and researchers have done this type of study and that’s what we want to highlight.

Sometimes when studies are conducted, they are backed by people with a vested interest in the outcome. I want to ask you, who are some of the people backing financially these studies? Are they honestly skewing some of the outcomes?

The vast majority of these studies were backed by either government grant dollars or independent private foundation dollars. I’ve conducted some studies myself that are featured in the book. We didn’t have funding. We bootstrap these on our dime. You point out something important. It’s important to know who is backing this research but in many instances, if not, most instances, this was our Federal government paying for this research.

I want to dive in on some of the studies and what the conclusions were that were found. Let’s start for example on one of the studies related to the infant child vaccination schedule.

We looked at the schedule in its entirety in Chapter 2 of the book. Chapter 1 is an introduction and then Chapter 2 of the book is drilling down into the entire vaccination schedule. There are about ten studies featured in that chapter. The initial study that we highlighted was done by a researcher named Anthony Mawson. There are two studies that are featured that were done by myself and a medical journalist Neil Miller, Paul Thomas, and James Lyons-Weiler. We looked at the entire vaccination schedule versus entirely unvaccinated children. What we saw was a very stark difference in the health outcomes when you looked at chronic conditions, autoimmune and neurological conditions, and also certain types of infections like respiratory, ear infections, and pneumonia.

I’m processing this because it reminds me of what Dr. Cowan wrote in his book. In it, he said, “What good is it if the shot protects against, let’s say, smallpox, for example,” I don’t even know if they have that around anymore but, “If the shot protects you from a certain disease but still makes all your markers go up for the other chronic conditions, autoimmune conditions, and other complications down the line, it’s a trade-off and we’re not winning.” That’s what his point was. That’s what you’re getting at.

Precisely, what we found out was that the unvaccinated children were healthier in almost all metrics. If you get the chickenpox vaccine, you will probably not get chickenpox. It will provide you protection against the rate of chickenpox among unvaccinated individuals much higher than among vaccinated individuals. We could say the same thing for things like pertussis, measles, and mumps.

Outside of that, what we saw was that things that are much more common in childhood like ear and respiratory infections were at a minimum five times higher in the vaccinated group than in the unvaccinated group. In some instances, if you look at chronic ear infections in fully vaccinated children, they were 27 times more likely in vaccinated children versus unvaccinated children. It wasn’t just neurological and autoimmune disorders. It was infections. I believe that by over-vaccinating, we’re impairing the innate immune system and the body has a more difficult time fighting off these infections.

 

What do you think causes that? Do you think it’s the adjuvance?

There are so many different components in vaccines that will focus on a specific antigen, pathogen, and disease. What happens is that when you give a vaccination, you fixate the immune system on one particular pathogen and disease. The rest of the surveillance system gets down-regulated by adjuvants and additives like polysorbate 80. In some cases, the mRNA and the COVID vaccines will suppress the immune system directly. Even though your immune system is focused on this one pathogen you’re getting the vaccine for, then these other illnesses slip through because the rest of your surveillance is what we call downregulated or not as effective.

It’s almost as if you’re in a battle and you send all your soldiers over to point A, leaving points B, C, D, and E undefended. The body’s immune system function is focused on fighting one pathogen or disease. In the meantime, you’re more vulnerable to these other conditions.

I love your analogy. We need to hit the road together because the way that you explained it was perfect. You’re taking all of your defenses on and focusing them on one thing but that’s not how infectious disease works. We’re exposed to multiple pathogens all the time in a variety of ways. It’s not just the injectable type of immunity that you get which is based on antibodies that are released from what are called plasma cells but there are lots of other mechanisms and modes of action where you get sick, where you get infectious diseases, and we’re not protecting against that.

Is it 72 doses between 0 and 18 years of age that our children are getting?

Yes. When you look at and split out multivalent vaccines like DTaP, which is diphtheria tetanus and pertussis, and you count those individually, with the COVID shot, it is 73. That does not include COVID boosters. That includes your yearly flu shot, which is on the recommended schedule. In the first year of life, it is 26. The lion’s share of those vaccines, you’re getting when you’re very young.

We haven’t gotten into too much about the adjuvants but there are preservatives and additional ingredients that they put in the shots that make them pretty dangerous. Aren’t some of them even neurotoxins? Let’s talk about thimerosal next.

I love that you’re going in sequence because thimerosal is the third chapter of the book. We looked extensively at the thimerosal. When you talk to government regulators and CDC officials, they say, “Not to worry, thimerosal was taken out of the infant vaccination schedule in the early 2000s,” which is not true. It’s still in the flu shot. A flu shot is given to infants as young as six months of age.

It’s also given in prenatal flu shots that women are recommended to receive in any trimester of pregnancy. Thimerosal is, by weight, half mercury. When a pregnant woman gets a flu shot, they’re getting 25 micrograms of mercury that selectively participates in the growing unborn child. That far exceeds the FDA, EPA, and USDA safe limits for mercury exposure, whether it’s injection or inhalation. We’re doing that to unborn children.

I’m wondering to myself, “Where is the public outcry?” It’s partially not present because people simply don’t know about this.

They don’t know about it or if they do know about it, then the pundits are saying, “It’s just a small amount of mercury.” When you look at mercury, it is neurotoxic down to the microgram and nanogram levels. It is a potent neurotoxin. It’s the second most potent naturally occurring toxin outside of uranium and yet we use it in preservatives and routinely in multi-dose versions of the flu shot.

I should say that there are some versions of the flu shot that only have trace amounts of mercury much less than that. You have to be very careful. There are other issues besides thimerosal. I don’t want to focus on one additive then and other reasons why I wouldn’t get a flu shot. If I was making that decision for my family or my wife was pregnant, I wouldn’t get the flu shot regardless.

What bugs me apart from all the things we’ve been discussing is that when I walk by a supermarket, sometimes on the outside, there’ll be a sign, “Free flu shot. Ten percent off your purchases if you get the flu shot.” It’s these incentives that if I were a person who wanted to save money and thought, “They’ll give me a shot and I get a discount on my groceries, I’m in,” I might even do it several times because why not? It’s unconscionable if people are paying attention to the ingredients in these shots and what the outcome is.

We’re looking at other ingredients including formaldehyde, which is carcinogenic polysorbate 80. It is a detergent that softens up and pokes holes in the blood-brain barrier. Any of those contaminants with the combination of polysorbate 80 can go directly into the brain, which would include things like aluminum and mercury.

I’ve heard polysorbate 80 as being included in foods too.

Polysorbate is a stabilizer. It allows for things that are not soluble in water to become water-soluble. It’s like your washing detergent. When you use dish soap, you want to release the oil that’s on your pans. If you’ve cooked hamburger, you got a big oily pan. It’s the same type of detergent that’s in dish soap that will emulsify that oil. Our membranes are oil and lipids. When we put a detergent in our system, it eclipses a very important lipid layer that protects our bloodstream and components from getting directly into our brain.

 

I want to go back to something you were saying about the flu shot being given to children as young as six months old. I didn’t know they were doing that or even recommending that.

The annual flu shot is a big deal. If you go to an allopathic medical practitioner, you are bombarded with the information. Fortunately, my practitioner doesn’t even ask me anymore whether I want to flu shot because he doesn’t want me to launch into my diet drive, which he will get if he asks me if I want a flu shot. The flu vaccine is given in two doses to infants, 1 at 6 months and 1 at 7 months of life. That’s an accumulative dose of 25 micrograms of mercury. This baby that should not be receiving 1 microgram of mercury or even less than 1 microgram of mercury is being exposed to over 100 times the FDA and EPA safe limit from mercury exposure in that one injection. It’s not spread over some time. It’s one injection and all of a sudden, we’re subjecting that young infant to mercury.

We’re wondering why our children are so sick and why they seem to have chronic ear infections, learning disabilities, ADHD, and so forth. It seems to be right in plain sight.

As a parent of a child who has a neurological disability because of vaccine injury, it’s unconscionable to include these neurotoxins as ingredients. It’s been shown it’s not just mercury. It’s also aluminum, which is an adjuvant, a component that increases the non-specific immune response. It’s added to magnify the immune response when somebody gets a vaccine with an antigen in it. It is in the birth hepatitis B, DTaP, and Haemophilus influenza B vaccine. The safe limit for aluminum exposure for an infant is 17 micrograms. We give the Hepatitis B shot that’s 250 micrograms of aluminum or over 10 times the safe limit on the first day of life. Why are we doing this?

The safe limit for aluminum exposure for an infant is 17 micrograms. If we give the Hepatitis B shot, that’s 250 micrograms of aluminum or over ten times the safe limit.

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Some of these adjuvants like aluminum are included in the shot to get the body to fight. It’s like the body sees, “Incoming. Cannonball is coming our way. We have to fight it. They’re trying to make the body have a certain response.” The thing is that cannonball is doing a lot of damage. It’s not just a simulation. That aluminum is going to the brain. Other parts of the body cause real damage.

You have the combination of polysorbate 80 and aluminum so that sends it directly to the brain. There’s been some groundbreaking research by a scientist named Dr. Chris Exley. Dr. Exley produced a paper looking at autistic brains. He did a cadaver study. He found that autistic brains had on average five times as much aluminum locked into the brain tissue as neurotypical brains. The pundits, CDC and DHHS, come out and say, “That’s not causation or positive.” You have to wonder why is it there in the first place and it has been shown to be linked to neural developmental disorders. Maybe it’s not causal or causal but why take the chance in the first place?

Is Exley’s work highlighted in your book as well? I can’t remember if it’s included or not.

His work is highlighted in the book. We did not specifically do a chapter on aluminum adjuvants but it will be in the second edition of the book. I’m hoping that we can get a second edition of the book coming out in the spring or summer of 2024. One of the things that’s happened is by getting the information out, we’re hearing from myriad people who are saying, “What about this study?” We’re finding even more studies that we want to put in the new edition of the book. We did feature Dr. Exley’s work in the chapter specifically on the HPV vaccine that also contains aluminum.

I was going to ask you about the HPV vaccine. What are some of the studies and conclusions from that that you included in your book?

There is a strong neurological component to the HPV vaccine series. The HPV vaccine does contain a different type of aluminum adjuvant that was never tested independently. The HPV vaccine was never tested against a saline placebo or actual saline control. We don’t know what the outcomes were. All we know is that the vaccinated group and the control group, about 3% of those, were later diagnosed with autoimmune disorders.

 

3 out of 100 girls and boys that receive the Gardasil vaccine or Cervarix vaccine, which is the GlaxoSmithKline alternative, came down with some type of neurological or autoimmune component. Many of them suffer a syndrome called POTS, which is a cardiac syndrome. It causes cardiac syncope,  fainting, muscle weakness, neuralgia, neuropathy, and things like fibromyalgia. Fibromyalgia symptoms are incorporated into the POTS diagnosis. We saw this primarily in girls because the vaccine was originally released in girls to protect against cervical cancer but we see such a preponderance of this disorder for such a small benefit.

We’ve yet to see any results that show that the HPV vaccine protects against cervical cancer and other types of cancers that they’re purporting protection against. If you have been previously infected with HPV, which you don’t know or not, it’s a subclinical infection so you could get a diagnosis maybe, but it’s been shown that if you were previously infected with HPV and you get the vaccine anyway, it increases your risk of cervical cancer.

I interviewed a gentleman who’s an expert in HPV. We did a whole episode on it and it was mindblowing. He was talking about how low the risk is of cervical cancer in developed countries especially and how high the risks are with getting the vaccine.

I dare say this because COVID is such a dirty vaccine but prior to COVID, HPV was the worst. It had the worst adverse event profile of any other vaccine that was on the market. That’s all been eclipsed by the rush to judgment, the emergency use authorization, and the woefully incomplete clinical trials on this genetic therapy that they’re calling a vaccine.

I wanted to go back to something you said.  You said that the HPV vaccine was never tested against a saline placebo. I’ve heard Kennedy say that none of the vaccines have been tested in that double-blind control group study format. Is that true?

That is true. I love his expertise. He has studied this. Even though he’s not a scientist, Mr. Kennedy voraciously reads and interprets science all the time. If he doesn’t understand something, he calls somebody like me who is a scientist. He is correct. The only vaccines that ever got a saline placebo test were the COVID-19 vaccines. What they did was pretty dubious. They started the clinical trial by giving the control group sailing and then the vaccinated group got the mRNA vaccine but then three months into the clinical trial, they started offering the actual vaccine to the control group.

They destroyed the control group. We have no long-term study. We have no idea what the long-term consequences of vaccination are because the study group that they’re looking at, the control group, is the vaccinated group. They simply don’t want to know. The FDA does not want to know what the long-term consequences of the vaccine are. In some ways, there was a little slice of me that was excited that they were doing a sailing placebo test but they destroyed it so quickly. It’s of no consequence that they did that.

Their rationale as I recall was that they felt like it was unethical not to provide the protection that this supposed vaccine or shot would give to the people. They were like, “We can’t leave these people out, the people in the control group that we’re supposed to get the saline injection.”

It’s ludicrous because, in other drugs and biologics, the saline placebo is the gold standard. You can have somebody in stage 4 cancer but if they’re in the control group, they get the placebo. They do not get the drug but somehow vaccines get a pass. It has been written directly into the FDA guidelines that a vaccine can be compared to another vaccine or an additive. In the Gardasil trials, they used aluminum adjuvant as their control.  They use this untested aluminum component and that’s what the control group got. They saw very high levels of autoimmune disorders in the Gardasil group but also very high levels of autoimmune disorders in the control group. They said, “There’s no difference. It must be fine.”

I’m glad that you and Kennedy teamed up to let the science speak. You alluded to the fact that you have a son that was vaccine-injured. Is that why you’re so passionate about getting this information out? Tell us a little bit more about your background.

My son was injured by his fifteen-month vaccines back in 1999. He received three vaccines all while having an ear infection, which was contrary indicated but the nurse practitioner at the time said, “It’s fine. We’ve vaccinated sick kids all the time.” My son was developing normally up to that time, a little slow normal but he was also getting all the thimerosal that was in the vaccines at the time. Before that fifteen-month marker, he had language, joint attention, and eye contact. He could wave hi and bye.

After his 15-month vaccines, he fevered for 18 days. We control his fever with Tylenol. The fever spiked to 102 after the 18th day and stayed there. We tried to control it with Tylenol. That’s what the pediatrician told us to do, and then we lost it. All eye contact and language were gone. My son is still a non-speaker. He was diagnosed with autism at eighteen months of age. Three months after those vaccines, he received his first autism diagnosis.

He was also diagnosed with a mitochondrial dysfunction which has been linked to vaccination time and time again. We tried to participate in the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. They would not compensate for his injuries because of a statute of limitations. They claim that he was autistic before his fifteen months of vaccines, which was preposterous. They said, “It could have been other vaccines but the statute of limitations ran out.”

Based on this recitation of horror, I became very interested in contacting CDC scientists directly. Starting in 2000 and 2001, I was calling and emailing them. They were studying thimerosal, the mercury-containing preservative. They were studying the MMR for their relationship with the autism epidemic. It was a complete cover-up. When I started to expose that it was a complete cover-up, CDC scientists stopped returning my phone calls and emails. My only recourse then was the Freedom of Information Act. I kept on going forward with requests to the CDC and FDA throughout that time.

As data sets became available, I started to do my epidemiology in my science starting back in 2004 and 2005. It’s been a wild ride. It’s been a journey healing my son. My son’s doing very well despite the fact that he’s a non-speaker but it led to this journey and real passion because I do not want to see children become vaccine-injured and then toss aside. When you are a vaccine-injured individual or the family of the vaccine-injured individual, then there’s a lot of gaslighting, minimizing, and rejection of the notion that a vaccine could cause an injury. I do not want to see people go through that life.

It sounds rough. A good friend of mine, her son is 23 or so and nonverbal. He’s got a number of issues. He has to be strapped down or he’ll hurt himself. It’s very difficult. She knows for a fact that it was caused by vaccines but the mainstream scientists or doctors don’t want to hear that. Why is that? Why don’t they want to hear that? Why aren’t they willing to dive into this? Why not take the blinders off? What do you think they are beholden to?

There are so many incentives to vaccinate children. HMOs and pharmaceutical companies will incentivize pediatricians to have a certain level of vaccination in their practice and give them tens of thousands upwards to $100,000 a year for vaccine compliance. Vaccines have been so ingrained into our society. You pick up a baby book. One of the first pages of the baby book is your vaccination record. That’s been true for years.

Unwittingly, the vaccination schedule has expanded from 5 vaccines in 1962 to 73 vaccines in 2023 but it’s ingrained in our society. A lot of practitioners have to take a deep gulp and realize, “Five vaccinated children, I’m responsible for vaccine injury.” That’s a tough pill for them to swallow. It’s a much easier path to trust the CDC and FDA and continue on this mantra that vaccines are safe and effective.

This explains why your practitioner is time and time again saying, “It’s time for your shot,” or at least he feels like he needs to because it keeps his numbers up.

They are incentivized by the pharmaceutical industry. If they’re participating in an HMO, they want those vaccine levels to get up very high. These entities are investing millions, if not billions of dollars, in vaccines. The CDC itself buys about $5 billion worth of vaccines a year in the Vaccines for Children Program. Their pharma is the biggest customer.  How can we trust them to not have conflicts of interest when they’re spending so much money on vaccines? Another $500 million a year in vaccine advocacy is public relations, promos, and commercials. How many commercials do we have to see for the pharmaceutical industry and for keeping people up-to-date on their vaccines? We’re paying that with our taxpayer dollars.

That is mind-blowing and speaking of mind-blowing, tell me something that you came across as your synthesizing and putting these studies into this book format. What was something that you came across that shocked you? You’ve been in this space for a while so I’m curious if there was something that stood out.

There were so many different things that stood out in the book but one of the things that was alarming to me was the number of individuals who were diagnosed with Gulf War illness who had never been to the Persian Gulf. They had received the whole litany of vaccines that were required to be a part of the service at that time, including the anthrax vaccine and other things like the yellow fever vaccine.

When you look at Gulf War illness, it correlates more with the vaccinations that they received than it does with their presence in the Persian Gulf. There was a synergistic effect. There was a lot of synergy between getting vaccines and going to the Gulf but many people who never set foot in the Persian Gulf came down with Gulf War illness. When they correlated it, they looked at the number of vaccines that they received and that was a very strong correlation.

That reminds me of the work of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation in India. Weren’t they setting out maybe in conjunction with the Rotary Club or something to prevent polio all across India? More children were getting polio from the injections they were getting than from the disease itself.

Paralytic polio is caused by the polio vaccine. You have to look at that. You can look at India. India was a huge example because they had so many cases of paralytic polio in the vaccinated individuals and it was a particularly insidious vaccine formulation. They were distributing a vaccine that they would never distribute in the United States. That was very stark. It’s also been shown that polio that circulates in Sub-Saharan Africa is primarily linked back to the vaccine that they received. They talk about polio being eradicated but it’s quite the opposite. The more they distribute the vaccine, the more they see paralytic polio coming up.

They talk about eradicating polio, but it’s quite the opposite. The more they distribute the vaccine, the more they see paralytic polio coming up.

All of this would be disheartening if it weren’t for the fact that you can’t hide the truth. In your book, by lifting the real data and science, people can make their own conclusions. No matter how dark the darkness gets, the light still stands out.

I want to encourage people to read the book, read the studies, highlight the book, ask questions, look at the graphics, and make their own conclusions. Every scientist carries some type of bias, regardless of whether they will admit it or not. I freely admit. I’m a parent of a vaccine-injured child. I’m very concerned about the vaccination schedule. You should understand my biases before you read any of my material. Quite frankly, when I publish scientific papers, I will include some type of statement regarding my son’s vaccine injury so people know where I come from but I also want the science to speak for itself.

I hope this book will inspire conversations between parents and practitioners, adults and children, and their practitioners so they can have prank conversations about the vaccination schedule. People will start to make decisions based on their reading of the science themselves. It’s been an honor to participate in this project with Mr. Kennedy. He sought me out in 2019 and this started as Instagram posts. We were finding these studies. He would find him. He’d sent him to me. I would find them. I’d send them to him. We then would come up with these eye-catching graphics and tight descriptions of the science. He featured them on Instagram between 2019 in 2021. He was the platform from Instagram and Facebook. At that point, we thought, “Let’s compile this and see where it leads.” It became a book.

If you had to summarize what the science is saying and your book Vax-Unvax: Let The Science Speak, how would you summarize it in 1 sentence or 2?

We need to take a second look at the vaccine schedule in light of unvaccinated individuals because what we’re being told by the prevailing authorities in the Federal officials is not true. Unvaccinated children and adults are healthier when you look at chronic disease, chronic illness, respiratory infections, pneumonia, and neurological disease. We’re in a chronic disease epidemic. Infectious disease is one thing. Fighting and treating infectious diseases is an important thing. Look at this, 84% of all dollars spent on medical care are spent toward chronic illness in the United States. We have to step back and look at, “Are we creating the new normal of all of these chronic diseases because of our propensity to over-vaccinate society?”

 

It’s time to take a second look. What can we say to those who don’t want to take a second look and who are 100% convinced that vaccines are safe and effective as we’ve been told?

They need to read the science. You cannot get a pass by saying, “I trust the science or scientists.” Those are very unscientific statements. Science is not meant to be trusted. It’s meant to be tested. Science is very rapidly evolving. It’s not like all the scientific principles of medicine were set in stone in the 1800s and it’s some type of a Bible that we look at. This has been an evolving field. Medicine has evolved all the time very significantly since the advent of the smallpox vaccine by Edward Jenner.

This is very old technology that we’ve been relying on for many years against many infectious diseases. It’s high time that we revisit that. I challenge people all the time, “Read the science. See what the science says. If you have questions, come after and ask scientists. If you’re not satisfied with the answers, ask another scientist.” It’s high time that we take all of this into our own hands and educate as much as we can rather than the cop-out of, “I’m going to trust the science.” All of a sudden, we find that the science is Tony Fauci.

You have done great work for lifting the science and putting out this book. I look forward to the next edition that’s going to include even more. I want to conclude with the question I love to pose at the end that may be related to this conversation or not. If you had one recommendation or step for the readers to improve their health, what would you recommend that they do?

I would encourage them to read the science about everything. It’s everything that they consume, breathe, ingest, and inject. You need to read the science. I would entreat them to never provide blanket trust for the government to tell them what to put in their bodies. They’ve not earned our trust. They have done quite the opposite. I would go even as far as saying never trust the government to tell you what to put in your body.

You need to make these decisions yourself. You need to empower yourself, whether it’s the air you breathe or the food that you consume. We didn’t even touch on GMOs, which is another area I’m very concerned about. Whether we look at the radiation that is all around us with electromagnetic frequencies, we need to be an educated society so we can look at the inputs into our bodies and our precious children’s bodies, and we can make wise decisions.

We need to be an educated society to look at the inputs into our bodies and our precious children’s bodies and make wise decisions.

Thank you for empowering us through this conversation. I’m grateful for the time that you took, Brian.

Thank you so much, Hilda. It’s an honor to be on your show, which I love, and everything that you’re doing.

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About Brian Hooker

Brian S. Hooker, PhD, is the Senior Director of Science and Research at Children’s Health Defense, an organization committed to the best health for children in the U.S. and worldwide. He is also former Professor of Biology at Simpson University in Redding California where he specialized in microbiology and biotechnology.

Dr. Hooker co authored, with Robert F. Kennedy Jr, the New York Times best-selling book Vax-Unvax: Let the Science Speak. In 1985, Dr. Hooker earned his Bachelor of Science degree in chemical engineering, from California State Polytechnic University, Pomona, California. He earned his Masters of Science degree in 1988 and his doctorate in 1990, both in biochemical engineering, from Washington State University, in Pullman, Washington.

Brian Hooker has many accomplishments to his credit including: co-inventor for five patents, recipient of the Battelle Entrepreneurial Award in 2001, and a Federal Laboratory Consortium Recognition Award in 1999, for his work on “Reactive Transport in 3-Dimensions.” The breadth of Hooker’s over 70 science and engineering papers have been published in internationally recognized, peer reviewed journals.

Dr. Hooker has been active in vaccine safety since 2001 and has a 25-year-old son with autism. In 2013 and 2014, Dr. Hooker worked with the CDC Whistleblower, Dr. William Thompson, to expose fraud and corruption within vaccine safety research in the CDC which led to the release of over 10,000 pages of documents

 

Important Links

• Children’s Health Defense
• Vax-Unvax: Let The Science Speak
• Healthy Baby Issue
• Amazon – Optimal Carnivore
• Liver Lover Challenge
• Apple Podcasts – Wise Traditions Podcast

 

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