What are the red flags related to the new covid mRNA shots? Are they still under “emergency use authorization”? What health conditions are associated with them? And are any doctors speaking out about the adverse effects?
Today, Mary Holland of Children’s Health Defense, and co-author of two books on vaccines, offers insights about what’s going on and what’s at stake. She gives us critical information related to the newest covid mRNA shots. She discusses how this shot is something of an experiment on the populace which has unfortunately led to severe and prevalent adverse reactions for individuals of all ages. She covers why these shots continue to be promoted (despite the fact that the alleged “variant” is not a true threat to public health). And she reminds us that the “vaccine awareness campaigns” are intended to dispel “vaccine hesitancy” not to promote wellbeing.
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The latest COVID mRNA shot was never clinically tested on humans, and apparently, was only tested on a small number of mice. Still, it was approved by the FDA and authorized for use on adults and children. This is episode 448 and our guest is Mary Holland, the President and General Counsel for the Children’s Health Defense. She is also the co-author of two books on vaccines.
In this episode, Mary gives us critical information related to the newest COVID mRNA shots. She discusses how the shot is an experiment on the population that has unfortunately led to severe and prevalent adverse reactions for individuals of all ages. She covers why these shots continue to be promoted despite the fact that the alleged variant is not a true threat to public health. She also reminds us that the vaccine awareness campaigns are intended to dispel vaccine hesitancy not to promote wellbeing.
Before we get into the conversation, I want to recognize that I use the word vaccine quite liberally when discussing the COVID mRNA shot. In reality, the shot doesn’t meet the true definition of the word vaccine. Please forgive the slip-up. While I’m noting this, I want to remind you that in general, this show features guests with a variety of points of view and that the Weston A. Price Foundation may not agree with all opinions expressed during the interview, especially regarding viruses. Nevertheless, we remain committed to bringing episodes to you that offer valuable and important information overall.
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Welcome to the show, Mary.
Thank you for having me, Hilda. It’s great to be here.
We wanted to have you on so desperately because as you know, there have been approvals for these new COVID vaccines, which they say are not boosters but a whole new vaccine. We know that you have your fingers on the pulse of what’s happening with these approvals, the testing that gets these vaccines out there, and the fallout from these shots. Talk to us first and foremost about something I saw on the Children’s Health Defense website this latest vaccine was only tested on twenty mice. Is that true, Mary?
Hilda, you put me to the test. That is accurate but it’s interesting. I was looking at stories from Reuters based on the Pfizer and Moderna press releases and it didn’t give a specific number of mice but what’s clear is that these new boosters or new vaccines were not tested in humans. There were no clinical trials in humans. There were clinical trials in mice. They gave shots to humans and tested antibodies. They did that for 100 humans for the Pfizer.
What scientists are telling us is you couldn’t even see a signal unless you were to do 5,000 to 10,000 people. If we remember back in June 2022, the FDA adopted a framework where they explicitly told us that they would not be doing clinical trials going forward in humans and that they would want to be able to do things on a very rushed basis. In my view, this is insanity. Whether they’re calling it experimental or not, these are truly experiments. These have never been used before in humans.
Are they still using that emergency authorization justification for rushing these vaccines through?
It’s a yes and no. These new shots are alleged to prevent people from getting sick with the variant they’re calling XBB.1.5, which even at the beginning of September was only 3% of infections. People expect that it’s going to be extinct by the time the shots are available. They approved it. They’ve licensed it for people 12 and up but it’s continuing to be emergency use authorization only for 6-month-olds through 11 years old.
In truth, it doesn’t seem to have made a great deal of difference. In other words, they’re saying that it’s safe and effective for anybody, which is not based on reality. The liability protections are as if they were all emergency use authorization. It means you have no access to courts. You can’t go against the doctors or the pharmaceutical companies. You have to go into something called the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program, which is dreadful.
It’s not as clear as it should be. As many of the physicians that we listen to, Hilda and I think people who Weston A. Price readers would want to hear from too are Dr. Kory, Dr. Mastella, Dr. McCullough, and Dr. Rich. All of these people are saying this is unconscionable. This was not tested in humans. It’s not safe and effective. There’s no legitimate scientific basis. The pandemic is over. This is unnecessary. The dangers are real not only for any product that’s never been properly tested but it looks for these messenger RNA shots.
Both Pfizer and Moderna are messenger RNA. The severe adverse events are about 1 in 140 people. That’s a very high rate for a severe adverse event. The best statistics and epidemiology that I’ve seen were published by a scientist in Canada named Denis Rancourt. He published a 180-page paper surveying epidemiology in 17 countries looking at the excess mortality since 2021 when these shots became widely available. What he found consistently across the countries is that there’s been excess mortality. He estimates that seventeen million people have died from COVID shots.
This excess mortality isn’t based on more people dying because of COVID. It was since the shots were introduced.
It’s not based in 2020. What Dr. Rancourt found is that there overall was no excess mortality. In other words, people were still dying at about the same rates as people who died of flu and pneumonia. It was about the same rate in most of these countries. Starting in 2022, they saw a dramatic increase in excess mortality and that is correlated to the shots. His estimate is it was causal from these mRNA shots and also the other ones, the adenovirus shots.
In his best estimate, seventeen million people have died from the shots. We’re very clear. We’ve been publishing in our publication, The Defender since the shots were rolled out. We know that people suffer from heart problems, neurological problems, anaphylactic shock, and paralysis. We have zero doubts about the reality of these severe adverse events and deaths from these shots.
I saw some of that data. We’re not talking about excess deaths among the elderly necessarily. This was one of the shocking pieces. It indicates that we’re losing young people at rates that haven’t been seen since wartime in the Vietnam War or something.
You and I briefly discussed Ed Dowd, who did a book that Children’s Health Defense’s Imprint that Skyhorse published called “Cause Unknown”. It shows us very young children through elderly people are dying suddenly cause unknown. Yet, when we look at the stories, we can see that these people had shots fairly recently. Some of them as late as two years later but this excess mortality is quite evident.
There are a lot of studies that have been done that suggest that these shots were in three groups. There seem to be no real adverse effects from them, virtually none. There’s a group where there are adverse events but it’s not deathly. Also, there’s a small group where it’s causing death or near death. There’s sadly plenty of people of all ages from infants through elderly who have suffered severe injuries and death from these shots. The FDA authorized these shots or approved them on September 11th, which is an odd day for doing that.
On September 12th, the CDC or the Centers for Disease Controls Expert Committee recommended them to people 12 and up and the emergency use authorization version for infants and children 6 months to 11 years old. There’s no science behind this. In June 2022, that booster was tested on eight mice. I have said twenty mice but I’ll be honest with you, I’m not certain of the number of mice. The bottom line is there were no humans.
A few mice and a negligible amount of humans, if any. Let’s go back because I want to lay the groundwork here for this discussion. Exactly what vaccines were approved by the FDA and when and why?
They were both approved and authorized by the Food and Drug Administration on September 11th for what they call the variant of COVID XBB.1.5. I don’t know what they’re calling it. They’re still calling it the Pfizer shot, Spikevax, and Comirnaty. These are new formulations. However, they’re both using this messenger RNA technology.
Michael Palmer is a scientist who has been leading a group called Doctors for COVID Ethics. I contributed a foreword. Brian Hooker, one of our scientists contributed a chapter with one of our fellows, Margot DesBois. The point of the book is there will never be safe messenger RNA shots. The technology itself instructs our cells, by taking messenger RNA, and through lipid nanoparticles injecting it into our bodies and our cells so that our cells make that spike protein or whatever it is.
In essence, we are setting up an autoimmune disease. Our body is attacking itself. For some people, maybe that will be fine and it won’t be excessive. There will be a time-limited nature to it and it will be protective but for many people, there’s no off switch. Creating autoimmune diseases will be devastating. Many people are being diagnosed with autoimmune conditions of all different kinds after getting these shots.
COVID shots set up an autoimmune disease for the body to attack itself. There will be a time-limited nature to it, but for many people, it has no off switch.
Dr. Tom Cowan wrote a book years ago about vaccines and the changing nature of childhood illness. In it, he made the same correlation of the more shots we get, the more vulnerable our bodies are to autoimmune conditions and other chronic conditions that are much more threatening than whatever the disease or “virus” is that is supposed to be hurting us. You implied that this XBB.1.5 variant is on the decline anyway if it indeed exists at all.
It’s not only on the decline but at the time that they authorized this and approved it on September 11th, it made up what they say was 3.1% of infections. That was the data from the Centers for Disease Control. In early October 2023, it may be gone. Yet, they are recommending this to all people. The silver lining to this to me is that for the last boosters that were recommended.
I believe it was the eighth shot that people were being recommended to take. Only 17% of people took them. I even wonder if that number wasn’t inflated. People have wised up. The government is no longer paying for these shots for everybody. They were paying for it before. They printed new money and paid for the shots. That’s not the case anymore.
People who have insurance, the insurance company has to pay for it or people have to pay out of pocket. It’s a couple hundred dollars. It’s the fact that there is no pandemic, people are very skeptical and it costs money. I hope that very few people will go and subject themselves to this medical experiment.
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One thing that’s unfortunate is that people don’t get to make a simple risk-benefit analysis because they don’t have the various data. Things are being obfuscated. This information about these reactions is minimized in the press. People think, “Better safe than sorry. At least, I won’t get as sick as I could get if I ever get COVID again.” They don’t see that so they can’t make an informed decision.
There’s been tremendous disinformation from the government. They like to talk about other people like us putting out disinformation but the big purveyors of disinformation are the government and the medical community who’s been paid by the government. People are not adequately aware of the adverse event reporting system. That shows us. It’s a government website, Hilda. There have been 400,000 people at a minimum. It doesn’t report everybody who has had to be hospitalized from their COVID shots.
The data is clear that these shots are causing heart injuries and myocarditis. We know that the Centers for Disease Control hid that data. They didn’t warn the public when they should have. They’re now warning people but in a very misleading way. We’re seeing tremendous evidence of people developing turbocharged cancers after these shots. The science of that is being worked out.
There’s been a lot of autopsy data. There’s been thousands of papers that show these products should have been taken off the market ages ago. They should never have been put on the market. It does beg the question, “What is going on here?” Any responsible government seeing the real information would have taken these off and yet they’re still on the market and still being promoted worldwide, which then begs the question.
We can’t forget, Hilda. In the United States, this was all rolled out under Operation Warp Speed. The head of which is the Department of Defense. This is not a medical intervention. This is a military intervention. It’s run by the military. It’s obvious that these products are exceptionally toxic and lethal in some people. There’s no basis. They don’t stop infection or transmission. They are acknowledging that. They lied about that at the beginning.
They’re no longer lying about that but they’re still promoting these shots saying, “You’ll be less subject to severe disease and I wanted to mention one other thing.” It’s a very mainstream medical institution. The Cleveland Clinic has told us that with every dose of a COVID shot, you are more likely to get COVID. That’s because these shots are suppressing your immune system.
That’s from the Cleveland Medical Center or the Cleveland Clinic. These shots should not be on the market. Lots of responsible doctors have been saying this from the get-go. Instead of listening to them or debating them, bringing them to Congress, and trying to figure out the right strategy, these doctors have been persecuted. Many of them have lost their licenses.
You mentioned several of them early on. The doctors that are daring to speak out, you would think that the public and the media would be interested in what frontline doctors have to say. Instead, they’ve been maligned, their licenses have been revoked, and their reputation is slandered.
That’s true but I do believe that people are listening to these brave doctors because they have risked their licenses. I am very encouraged that for the last booster, a maximum of 17% of people signed up to get them. That’s great news. I’m very hopeful that people will be very skeptical of these shots that have come out. They’ll be promoted heavily in places like nursing homes and hospital settings. I hope that people will be very skeptical.
I do too because the fallout is real. I have seen some data also indicating that young people are not only dying, as we were talking about the excess mortality but also, they’re getting cancer at unprecedented rates.
We’re starting to better understand that. These shots seem to have the ability to cause cancerous growth. I was listening to a physician. I can’t tell you who it was but it was a physician testifying before the South Carolina legislature who was saying that some children develop leukemia. By the time they diagnose the leukemia, the children can die within days. These are remarkably toxic shots that should not be on the market anywhere and yet, they’re still being promoted here and elsewhere.
I have to ask this question, Mary. Why would the FDA approve these, given that the risk is so great? Why would the CDC recommend them even for schoolchildren?
I can’t get inside their brains. There was a slight sign of hope in the CDC’s Advisory Committee, which is a rubber stamp. There was at least one dissenting voice. It was a 13 to 1 decision but essentially, we have to understand that the FDA, the CDC, and largely the National Institutes of Health are all subsidiaries. They’re marketing arms of the pharmaceutical industry. They also are under the control of this exercise of the Department of Defense.
We have to understand that the Department of Defense is running this show. This is not being run by Health and Human Services, medical companies, or pharmaceutical industries. It’s being run as a military operation. Some important commentators include Sasha Latypova and Katherine Watt, the two people who are on Substack.
This is a pseudo-legal regime. It’s not legal in any normal sense that it’s recognizing due process rights, bodily integrity, or informed consent. It’s these fundamental principles that we have lived by for decades. This whole COVID shot phenomenon has violated all of these most fundamental norms. These shots are lethal.
You were talking about these being agencies that are at the behest of the Department of Defense. There are vaccine awareness campaigns trying to persuade the public to take them because many people are becoming a little bit more aware and hesitant. What are these awareness campaigns about?
The government is trying to market these things every which way they can. The pharmaceutical industry and the medical associations are standing behind this and pushing it aggressively. I don’t even know if they believe what they’re doing. I don’t know. Yes, they have this inventory. They’ve made these investments. They want to sell the product.
People do need to understand that this is run by the military and these are commercial products. This is about generating revenue. It’s about getting uptake. It has nothing to do with people caring for your health. You have to care for your health. Nobody’s going to do that for you. Sadly, we can see that there’s something deeply wrong with the way that the government has been approaching this.
COVID shot testing is run by the military as commercial products to generate revenue. It is about getting uptake. It has nothing to do with people caring for your health.
I understand that Children’s Health Defense is sponsoring a bus going around where people can speak out about their relationship with folks who’ve been injured or affected adversely by the vaccines. Is that right? Tell us a little bit about that.
Polly Tommey is the head of our Children’s Health Defense TV, CHD.TV. She had been on the Vaxxed Bus, which was a bus to help promote the film Vaxxed that Andy Wakefield and Del Bigtree made many years ago. As they were going around the country and showing this film, they also started interviewing people. Out of those interviews, they made the film Vaxxed II.
Vaxxed II in my mind is an incredibly powerful film of listening to people whose children or themselves were severely injured or died from vaccines. It also interviewed unvaccinated people who had amazing help. Polly is with Children’s Health Defense. The bus is going around the country to all 50 states. It’s 2 weeks on and 1 week off. They’re taking stories of vaccine injury and also COVID-related stories beyond vaccines.
They’re getting stories about children who are harmed by the DPT shot, MMR, or polio but they’re also hearing all kinds of stories from people who are injured by the COVID shots and the people who are injured or died in the hospital with the use of Remdesivir, ventilators, Paxlovid, and these various treatments related to COVID of people who are hospitalized. It’s incredibly profound and we’re recording it.
On Twitter, people can go to @CHDBus to find the latest stories. On the CHD.TV website, you can sign up for free text alerts. You can look on the bus page of the Children’s Health Defense website to watch the testimonials that come in every day. You can see that these are people who need to share their stories. It’s so unbelievable that all of this nightmare and horror could continue without society as a whole saying, “We’ve got to stop this.”
Can you tell us 1 story or 2 that you’ve come across that has made a deep impression on you?
I’ve gone a couple of times on a Twitter space with Ernest Rodriguez and his son, a sixteen-year-old, who died after getting a COVID shot. This son was the apple of his father’s eye. He is an adorable, healthy, and vibrant young person with his life ahead of him. His father in his devastation has done remarkable work in speaking at conferences. He spoke at a conference I was at in Kansas. He has held a space on Twitter for other people injured by COVID shots. That story touched my heart.
As you understand Hilda, there’s nothing more horrible as a loving parent than to live with the recognition that you were lied to but that lie caused your child to die. You played a small part unknowingly but you played a role in the death of your child. It’s so devastating. These stories have made war a warrior out of him.
I wrote a book about the HPV vaccine and we met many parents, including a mom, Emily Tarsell, and her daughter. She thought she was doing the right thing to help her daughter prevent cervical cancer. Her daughter got three shots and she died in her bed. She was in pain. Emily has become a lifelong warrior to end the HPV vaccine.
It’s so awful when you’ve lived through that trauma and then you see it repeating. These people are speaking out. It’s empowering to try to do something but we’re being censored by the media. We’re being gaslighted. “There are no injuries.” It’s only in the context of the bigger horror but the good news is that the COVID injuries and deaths have been so severe. It was a Rasmussen poll that suggested that 45% of Americans know somebody that they believe died after getting a COVID shot.
The level of injury has been so great that people are starting to look more skeptically at vaccination as they must. We put out another book by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Brian Hooker called Vax-UnVax. It’s about 100 studies. 30 of them are related to COVID and 70 of them are related to other childhood vaccines. You look at the graphs. The book is largely of graphs, Hilda. There’s not a single area of health where the people who’ve been vaccinated look to be healthier.
The people who are unvaccinated, whose bodies are as God made them and whose immune systems are as God made them, are the healthiest. It’s very clear from the science. I also had the privilege to edit a book called Turtles All The Way Down. I wrote a foreword for it. It’s a self-published book but it’s by these very well-informed people. It shows you that there’s no science behind the childhood vaccine schedule. It’s a lie upon a lie like the earth is sitting on a tall stack of turtles.
I’ve heard of that book. I agree with you, Mary. Amidst the darkness and evil forces behind persuading people to inject something into their bodies that is going to mess up their health and lead to death, people are starting to become aware and awakened to the truth that we are perfect and that there are natural ways in which we can shore up our health. There are also people who are starting to ask questions. Was it Colin Powell who passed away? Others had all the right shots and all the boosters, and they’re still not doing well and dying. It causes one to question. I’m grateful to those who are asking the important questions.
I do believe that we are in a great awakening. I was at a conference of Children’s Health Defense Europe. It has an audience of 100 people. I asked them to raise their hands if they felt as if they had awakened during COVID or if it woke them up to things of which they had been unaware. Most people raised their hands. COVID is waking people up to the evil that had been more hidden. That evil is out in the open. The good news is that more and more people are waking up to it and are taking action.
On the flip side of the coin, I always think of an interview I did with George Carlo from Generation Zapped. He pointed out my cell phone. He’s like, “Do you use that cell phone?” I said, “Yeah, I use a cell phone.” He said, “Do you pay every month for it?” I said, “Yes.” He said, “You’re invested. Once you’re invested, it’s hard to shift your paradigm. You’re dependent on that device for certain things.”
I think of that with vaccines, Mary. People who’ve gotten the shot or given their children the shots that are recommended by the CDC have already invested. They’ve gone so far that to question something is very anathema to them. They don’t want to backpedal. They don’t want to ever think they were wrong. They’ve gone too far to pull out. I see that response too, don’t you?
I do but interestingly, with the COVID shots, people were so overtly lied to. They were told, “You won’t get COVID if you take the shot. You’re only going to have to take one. It stops transmission. That’s the reason you have to take it so your neighbor doesn’t get sick.” Every one of those things was a lie. There are a lot of people who say, “I took the first one and the second one. It didn’t stop me from getting COVID. Screw them. I’m not doing this again.”
It’s heartening but I wonder if you’ve encountered people who are like, “I’m listening to the authorities, the men or the women with the white coats. If the World Health Organization says we need to do this to prevent the next pandemic, I’m in.” Do you ever run across people like that? If so, what do you say to them?
What I’ve learned over the years is you can’t give facts to those people and expect that that’s going to make a difference. What you have to do is ask them questions about how they came to their perceptions. All that you can hope to do is instill a little bit of skepticism and doubt in them like, “She had a point. Maybe I should look that up and see if they test these things on humans.” You want to introduce that little bit of doubt. It’s the Socratic Method. We have to remember. Socrates was a dissident. They put him to death. He asked too many questions. The way that he induced people to think was by asking questions and not by telling them they were wrong and stupid.
You can’t give facts to skeptic people and expect it will make a difference. What you have to do is you have to ask them questions about how they came to their perceptions.
You have answered a lot of questions in this conversation and I’m so thankful but I would be remiss if I didn’t pose to you the question I love to pose at the end. If the reader could do one thing to improve their health, what would you recommend that they do?
We don’t give out medical advice but I urge people to be skeptical about everything that the authority figures are telling you. It’s the only way that you will be protecting yourself. Sad to say, there are a lot of exploitative people and institutions out there.
Thank you so much for being a part of this conversation. It’s been a pleasure.
Thank you, Hilda. Likewise.
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Mary Holland, J.D., is president and general counsel of Children’s Health Defense. She has been writing and advocating for better vaccine law and policy for many years, including while she served on the faculty at NYU School of Law from 2002-19. She is co-author of two books on vaccines, “Vaccine Epidemic” and “The HPV Vaccine on Trial,” as well as several law review articles.🖨️ Print post