Work With Your Body’s Biology For Weight Loss, Optimized Fertility, & Excellent Health With Sarah Kleiner

Even an ostensibly healthy lifestyle can often defeat our attempts to lose weight, conceive a baby and experience optimal health. Today, Sarah Kleiner, a Quantum Biology expert and nutrition coach, explains how to get back into harmony with our body’s biology and natural rhythms for the results we seek.

She reviews, for example how getting more sunlight and eating seasonally positively affects leptin, a master circadian signaling hormone. She goes over the cascade of benefits like improved cardiovascular health, stronger bones, optimized regulatory systems and enhanced fertility—that all stem from tuning into our circadian and quantum biology. She discusses the flaws of the carnivore diet and more. Sarah also tells the story of the astounding results she experienced when she made some simple changes: like effortless, significant weight loss and a successful pregnancy over the age of 40.

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Episode Transcript

Within the below transcript the bolded text is Hilda Labrada Gore and the regular text is Sarah Kleiner.

Stop fighting your circadian biology. What if cultivating health and establishing a stable weight has more to do with creating a sense of safety for the body rather than counting calories? This is Episode 572 and our guest is Sarah Kleiner. Sarah is the Creator of the My Circadian app. She is board-certified in Applied Quantum Biology and a Certified Nutrition Coach. Sarah elaborates on how to tune into our natural circadian rhythm for optimized health. She reviews what happens on a hormonal level with leptin, which is a master circadian signaling hormone. She goes over the cascade of improved cardiovascular health, bone health, regulatory systems, and fertility as we learn to lean into our natural rhythms.

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Welcome to Wise Traditions, Sarah.

Thank you so much for having me here. I’m very honored to be sitting here speaking with you.

How Sarah Addressed Her Overweight And Unhealthy Self

You are the picture of health. You help so many people regain the good health that is their birthright, as I like to say. Yet, I know that in your lifetime, you told me before that you had gained and lost 100 pounds several times over. What’s the story with that? Why were you so unhealthy and overweight?

I grew up in the ’90s and had the whole latchkey Gen X thing going on. Parents were working, not really there. Food was my friend. I grew up, food was a comfort for me. It was RC Cola and Moon Pies after school. I have these distinct memories of these foods that were almost like medicine to me. It was the wrong types of foods. I really grew up with this very unhealthy relationship with my emotions and using food to cope with my emotions and looking outside of myself constantly for soothing.

I was never really taught regulation. I was never really taught any of the things that I use daily now as tools to live helpfully. I just really struggled. Things were hard. We all have things. The more people I talk to I’ve talked to thousands and thousands of people, as I know you have as well, everyone has a story. Everyone has something that will just bring you to your knees and you’re like, “I don’t want to trade stories. I’ll just keep mine.”

I lost my father when I was eighteen, and my mother got cancer that same exact year. My mother’s still disabled, has one leg, we are caring for her. I had a lot of stuff going on. Food was my coping mechanism. I lost 100 pounds, would gain it right back. Three times I did this. In my 30s, it switched to alcohol because I realized I could get the same kick from drinking as I could from food. I started improperly using alcohol.

That was the beginning of the end for me of really having to figure this thing out or it was going to kill me. It was that bad with the drinking and using pharmaceuticals. I was on ssris and benzodiazepines and sleeping medications. I think I was on ten different things. It all really came to a head. I had to stop. I had to get better coping skills and learn how to live the right way.

That was a painful, difficult process, but in that process, I learned so many things about how there was never going to be anything outside of me that was going to make me feel the way I wanted to feel, that that was an inside job. I had to utilize tools of nutrition, of sunlight, of these very basic foundational things to feel my best. It’s been a long and windy road to get to where I am here. It’s wonderful because I feel like I can relate to people on a different level than maybe other people can’t. It’s like, yeah, I’ve been there.

I’ve seen the pictures. Of course, you and I have conversed before. Before we get to the tools that changed things for you, let’s talk about the ones that didn’t. You already talked about pharmaceutical drugs and alcohol. When you lost 100 pounds, before you gained it back, what were some of the tools you were grasping for at the time?

I did Weight Watchers. Weight Watchers and just a calorie deficit, exercising. I started going to the gym. Sometimes I would go to the gym twice a day, exercise. I became a fitness instructor. I tried everything. Every single diet book out there, every cleanse, the Master Cleanse, the Cabbage Soup Diet. We could just be here all day talking about all these different things that I tried. If it’s been a trend or a fad at one point in time, I have probably done it. Raw vegan, vegan, carnivore, name it.

You gave all these things a go until finally, you hit a breaking point. You’re like, “Okay, none of these other things worked.” What was the impetus for actual change? How did you find out that light could make a difference, or leptins, for example?

With light and circadian biology, it was me trying to get pregnant. I had finally gotten my life into a good spot. Things were going pretty well. I said, “I really have always wanted a second child,” because another part of my story is that I had a daughter with a vaccine injury. I can say that on this show, I’m sure. She got a flu shot at twelve months old and regressed into severe non-speaking autism. That was fuel for my addiction to grow and grow because no one’s going to understand this and how hard it is and I have to get through it.

It really was difficult, something I had to deal with, just those emotions and being a good mom for her. I got to a point where things did get good. I had been sober for a while, been off of all the pharmaceuticals, was feeling good, my husband and I were in a good place, so let’s have a baby. This should be easy, I’ve been eating really clean, good healthy food for a few years now, alcohol, drug-free, let’s go. I was not able to get and stay pregnant.

It was during that time that I was introduced to Dr. Jack Kruse, who came on my podcast. I only had one conversation with Jack, that’s the only one conversation I ever had with Jack, but it put me down this rabbit hole of study. It really triggered something in me to want to learn. I went on to learn with Quantum Biology Collective and get board-certified in quantum biology by the American Naturopathic Medical Board and just really dove into this and still do. I can get lost in just learning more about this stuff, I love it.

That was the catalyst for me was this inability to get and stay pregnant. Dr. Kruse said to me, “You need to understand light biology and how that relates to hormones, especially the hormone leptin,” and go down this rabbit hole of studying about exclusion zone water and Dr. Gerald Pollack’s work. Again, it was life-changing for me because it didn’t involve something that I had to just go out and spend a bunch of money on.

It was like I can do these really simple things and why not? It didn’t involve taking a bunch of supplements, it didn’t involve any injections or anything like that. It was like, you go outside. It ended up all of that rabbit hole of deuterium and light and leptin and all of that ended up being the thing to help me get pregnant at 42 and give birth at age 43 to a very healthy baby.

How Leptin Can Help You Become Healthier

That is how you want them. You want them healthy and rambunctious. Sarah, I think a lot of our readers may be familiar with the idea of getting the right spectrum of light, getting more natural light, light hygiene if you will, but they may be unfamiliar with leptin, this particular hormone. Can you tell us more about it?

Yeah, I call leptin a master circadian signaling hormone because when you look into the research now, it wasn’t even discovered until 1994. They did a ton of research on this particular hormone because they thought, “This is it. We’re going to be able to manipulate this similar to the way that we manipulate insulin and create these cascades in the immune system, in fertility, in bone health, in heart health, in gut health.”

We have receptors in all those places and leptin impacts every single one of those systems. The science, the data, the studies have been done, but they were never able to manipulate it with any meaningful drug or just injecting more leptin into the body. It is manipulated by light, the leptin-melanocortin system, which is activated by sunlight in the eyes and on the skin as well. Proper nutrition, single-ingredient whole foods. Bioavailable protein is huge for leptin and circadian rhythms.

Leptin, again, talks to all these other systems. I put it up there with cortisol and melatonin. I say cortisol, melatonin, and leptin are really your three master hormones that speak to all of these downstream hormones. When it comes to the research on reproduction, fertility, just endocrinology in general, even the thyroid, leptin signals all of these systems. You want to make sure that leptin has the ability to signal, to talk to the brain. Modern life, the foods we eat, our light environment, our stress even, can interfere with that ability of leptin to dock to the brain.

Make sure that leptin has the ability to signal and talk to the brain, especially today when the food we eat, our light environment, and our stress can interfere with that process.

If leptin is so important, why is it that we’ve heard more about melatonin and cortisol, for example, than this particular hormone?

Leptin works with cortisol and melatonin. It is in synchrony with these. When melatonin is rising at its highest point at night, that’s when leptin is meant to go talk to the brain and say, “We have X amount of stored energy on the body. Tomorrow, hormones do this, thyroid do this.” It’s like an accountant, it’s telling the brain how much energy you have available.

Melatonin needs to be rising. You need to have this cascade of melatonin going for leptin to be able to do its job. When cortisol is rising in the morning, leptin is meant to be at its lowest. They all really work together. As I said, leptin was really only discovered in 1994 and they could never really find a pharmaceutical way to manipulate it, so it hasn’t been really pushed on us as much.

In a way, this is great because then that means just as you did, we’ve got to take our health into our own hands and do things to optimize it. You mentioned protein. Let’s talk a little bit about nutrition and how that can play a part in maximizing leptin’s ability to do its orchestration of hormones.

Protein is absolutely crucial for leptin to be able to do its job, for that leptin signaling. That’s why I recommend people in the morning get the sunlight in your eyes and eat some good bioavailable protein. Fat and carbs also signal leptin in their own ways. Carbs can help to bring leptin up. If I have someone with very low leptin because they’ve been in a restricted, dysregulated state for a very long time, then we strategically add carbohydrates at the right times in balance with protein and fat.

Having the right types of fat. There’s actually some nutritional research that shows the inflammatory seed oils that I know are just on the chopping block right now, everyone’s out to try to show that they’re healthful. The nutritional research on leptin and seed oils actually shows that they are inflammatory and they can block that signaling from happening on the brain. There is some evidence to show that seed oils can create a leptin issue. You want to have the right types of fat. It’s very important.

What do you mean by bioavailable protein? What does that look like on the plate?

Diana Rodgers, I always point people to her work. She’s really done a beautiful job of explaining the different types of bioavailable protein. It’s just what the body can break down and use most easily. When someone has a leptin signaling issue, they always typically have other issues going on gut issues, inflammation and so we want to just quiet the system down as much as possible.

Not to say you should never eat beans or legumes, any of those things. You can those can fit later on, but there has been some research to show that those can also create a leptin signaling issue. We want to stick to like our eggs, beef, lamb, ruminant animals, even chicken, poultry, those sorts of things that the body can recognize, use, and they are less likely to set off this inflammatory cascade.

Doing The Hard Work To Lose Weight

Honestly, to me, those things are easier to prepare because as you know at the Weston A. Price Foundation, with beans, seeds, nuts, and legumes we recommend soaking, which is a traditional way of preparing them to neutralize the antinutrients and make the nutrients more bioavailable. It’s like much more work. I know it’s not huge. I’m like, “You can put the lamb or the poultry or the seafood on the plate and cook it up a little bit if you want to, or eat it raw for goodness sakes.” Easy. Going back to the weight thing, when you started eating this way, what did you notice with your weight?

Wise Traditions | Mia Rofrano | Sarah Kleiner | Biology — Biology: When you are on a long-term diet that is keeping insulin very low, leptin is also typically extremely low.

The funny thing is I always tell this story. I was trying to get pregnant. I had gained weight. I was in my early 40s. I had been carnivore for two years, thinking it was the healthiest diet available. Thyroid had downregulated, hormones had really gone into the toilet a bit. When I started this seasonal approach, this approach that was more of a balanced approach really, and made more sense ancestrally when you really look at what ancestral eating is, my body got out of stress mode because I was providing it with the things it needed to.

Yes, I got pregnant, but I actually lost 30 pounds before I got pregnant, which was surprising to me. I tell women, “If you’re trying to get pregnant, don’t focus on the weight loss. Let’s focus on bringing the nutrients on board, bringing those minerals on board, really letting the body feel a sense of safety.” My body felt great, felt really safe, and said, “We don’t really need this extra weight going into the pregnancy,” which I was thrilled about. It wasn’t what I was trying to do.

The crazy thing is I had been trying to lose weight my entire life. I had struggled. When I added light biology, when I added this more seasonal approach to nutrition, my body just went, “We don’t need to protect you anymore. You’re okay. Food is available. Nutrition is available. We can let go of this excess inflammation,” which was really cool.

That is amazing. Of course, it’s in keeping with the Wise Traditions dietary guidelines, so to speak. It really is just eleven principles that we point to that are just about eating real food and to include carbs of course, properly prepared, but definitely with the emphasis on protein and fat. Actually, we recommend more of a high-fat diet than people may realize. I love this because it’s a relief because so many people right now are going carnivore or the other extreme, vegan, and it’s so restrictive, it’s not very sustainable, is it?

I don’t think so. I am friends with some of the people that have been carnivore for decades. I know them, I have their phone numbers, because when I was in that community, I connected with a lot of them, really lovely people. As someone who did this diet myself for two years and then also worked with people in that framework particularly and has continued to work with people for the last six years in that framework of people who it didn’t work for, I can unequivocally say that it’s really difficult to sustain, not only with having enough willpower to do that all the time, but also for the body hormonally.

Also for the thyroid. These other systems tend to suffer long-term on these diets. I know that there’s evidence of the anecdotal stories of people that are doing fantastic. As I said, I have the phone numbers and I am friends with these people, so I’m not refuting their story at all. I’m just saying from a large population sample size that I’ve worked with one-to-one, this is what I’ve seen. This is what I saw for myself as well.

How Leptin Communicates With The Thyroid

How is it that the different systems suffer and why? For example, let’s talk about the thyroid.

When you are on a long-term diet that is keeping insulin very low, leptin is also typically extremely low. Remember, leptin is telling the thyroid, “We have X amount of energy on board.” What can end up happening to the thyroid is that T3 levels go down. Reverse T3 levels can sometimes go up, not always, it’s typically the T3 will go down first because the body says, “They’re not bringing in, it’s winter. It’s just always winter.”

We’re going to go to winter mode. We have the data to show that thyroid levels do shift in the winter, a lot of times they will go down a little bit and then they’ll come back up in spring and summer. That’s just a seasonal pattern of hormones. The body just says it’s winter. We’re not bringing in food, we’re going to go into this downregulated state and we’re going to stay there.

I always tell people, “Your body is doing exactly what you’re instructing it to do. It’s not a bad thing. It’s just the fact that the body is listening and it’s going to respond accordingly.” That’s a lot of the time what I see happening with people who’ve been in a long-term keto-carnivore, like a low-carb state. The body just says, “I don’t need to ramp up these different systems because we don’t have that fuel coming in.”

Your body is doing exactly what you are instructing it to do.

Interesting. It makes me think of Paul Saladino, of course, who used to go by the moniker the Carnivore MD. He started including raw milk, and then he started including different fruits and even squash. I guess he came to the same conclusion you did.

Yeah, it’s funny. I was at the White Oak Pastures in 2019. There was a bunch of us there, the Strong Sisters and Paul was there. A lot of us were down there for a carnivore thing. It was like a carnivore party. All of us, me, Paul, Sarah and Ashley, we’ve all said, “This really didn’t do great things for my body long-term.” I disagree with Paul a little bit on that everyone should be eating the same diet that he eats because he’s in Costa Rica, he’s on the beach all day. Good for him, but there’s context and there’s seasonality to an extent for people when it comes to how they should eat.

Not to mention the gender differences. Our body compositions are different. I used to try to live and eat like Ben Greenfield or Paul Saladino and I’m like, “Wait, I’m a woman, I’m older, I’m Latina. There’s so many differences here,” not to mention also where we live, as you pointed out.

Yeah, there’s so many factors that come into how we should approach our diet. Are you in an office all day under blue light? That’s going to impact how well your mitochondria work if you’re never had any infrared light in your environment. Something that simple will impact how insulin-resistant you are or not. Dr. Glen Jeffrey has done the most brilliant body of work around this to show metabolic health absolutely is shaped by our light environment and something as simple as putting a lamp in your office with an incandescent bulb can create positive changes in those systems.

Understanding The Body Through Quantum Biology

I’ve clicked around on your website and as we said we’ve talked before and I know that you mentioned. Quantum biology. Are you referring to this very thing, the context in which our bodies live and move and breathe and also are innate genetic composition and how that interacts with an effects are well being?

How light impacts us on a cellular level, how our bodies are made up of water, 99% by molecular volume and understanding exclusion zone water, understanding coherence. Understanding how stress can impact these systems. Getting away from this biochemical model, it’s not completely invalid. There are definitely some very valid things in the biochemical model of looking at health that we can look at and say, “Yes, that’s helpful information.”

There’s a lot of things that can’t be explained by biochemistry that this quantum biology model really gives better lens to of understanding why did that happen? Why does someone have a spontaneous cancer remission? How is this possible? It is because of, I think, the way that water behaves in the body and because of the way that light can impact our bodies on the cellular level. It’s far beyond just this black and white thinking that I think is very restrictive.

Sarah, I love that you’re bringing this up. It makes me remember the conversation I had with Vita Austin and also with Isabel Friend, of course, Gerald Pollack. The idea being we are bodies of water, and water is affected by frequencies. Obviously, light, but also frequency. This explains why, I think in part, sometimes your diet may not be the best, let’s say optimized for leptin and all the things, and yet you’re listening to music, you are in positive relationships. Even food that maybe wouldn’t objectively be as nutrient-dense as the body requires can still be accessed and taken advantage of by the body.

It’s funny, I’ve talked with several colleagues in this quantum biology space and everyone thinks, “You just eat this perfect diet all the time.” I really do my best to source local farms and eat bioavailable protein and do all the things, but I have way more room for error in my diet now than I did years ago when I lived a completely different lifestyle. There was no light, there was no sunlight, there was no understanding of how these frequencies impacted my body.

I can get away with things now that I never could have gotten away with before. Now I don’t push the envelope on that. I say, “That was nice. I’m going to go back to doing my routine and the things I know are the most helpful things for me.” There’s a little bit more margin of error and it’s because of what you just talked about of this living in coherence. Obviously, it’s not perfect, life is life, life happens, but it’s really fascinating to see how that plays out in our health.

Have you heard the story of the study where they had these rabbits and they fed them really bad food, but 1 or 2 rabbits were thriving when the rest were doing much more poorly even though they were all being fed the same food? They found out that the student, let’s say the biology student that was in there that was feeding this particular pair of rabbits that were thriving, was petting them before he fed them, was doing all these things. Isn’t that fascinating? We overlook this bit, don’t we?

We do. I have the clients that will really struggle. I have a lot of women that will come to me and ask for fertility help. Sometimes it’s a really hard conversation. I’m like, “You’re checking off all the boxes. I don’t want you pushing into more strategy. I need you to go for a walk and listen to Louise Hay. I need you to understand the healing power of your body. I need you to tap into this other thing.”

I can’t do that for you because that was I did all the strategy and I fully believe in it. I would just literally go on these walks for an hour, two hours and listen to this these things of again Louise Hay, Wayne Dyer. There were several that I would just listen to on repeat and understanding that it was beyond strategy to some extent that my cells were listening and I had to say, “What is the story I’m telling myself about my health?” and really just repeating that because that can override things.

You will make progress when you change your diet. You will make progress when you change your light environment, but at a certain point if you’re still telling yourself you’re unhealthy or that this isn’t going to happen or that you’re infertile or this or that or the other, if you still have that story on repeat, your body’s listening to that. That’s just the way that it is.

Looking Back To Sarah’s Upbringing And Childhood

Sarah, what story were you telling yourself as a child? You said you were overweight as a child and then in your twenties again and on and off for years. What story was hindering you at the time, do you think?

I really just think I had this belief that I was supposed to struggle with my weight. I really think I just believed that. My dad put me in Weight Watchers when I was eight years old and I was always made fun of as a child. I just had this belief that everyone else has a secret that I don’t have, I’m different and this is just really hard for me.

I think it was really going through all the pregnancy losses that I did before I had my son where I changed the story about what I believed about my health. It was a very hard experience to go through. However, it forced me to adopt a new way of thinking about myself, my body, my health, and my life. My whole life is different than it was when I was struggling with fertility. I live in a different home. Everything is different about my life now in a good way.

This is an obvious one, but I’m curious. Do you think that is more important than we tend to recognize? In other words, like you said, we can check all the boxes. I guess I have two different thoughts in my mind right now. Let me just tell you. Some people would say, no matter how positively you think or no matter wonderful story you tell yourself, if you live near a cell tower, you’re screwed or and other people would say, “No, you can still overcome it.” I’m curious how powerful you think we are indeed with the stories we tell ourselves.

One thing I know to be true is that if you do live near a cell tower and you spend your whole day stressing out about it, it will negatively impact your health. Absolutely. I do think it there are negative implications. We’ve been house hunting a little bit, speaking of homes. There was a giant transformer, like power station, running through the property. It wasn’t on the photos. I was shook. I’m like, “This is like a beautiful property with a pond and a chicken coop.” It was just gorgeous out in the country. They gave us this paper, it said, “We’ve been living here for twenty years, we have no health problems. We’re totally fine, it’s 100% safe.”

I was like, “Yeah, this does zero to reassure me, I am not moving here.” I definitely do believe that those things have negative health implications. The stories we tell ourselves about those things, absolutely can impact our health negatively or positively. I think there’s truth on both sides. I have seen up close and personal the people who freak out about absolutely everything struggle.

Why You Should Prioritize Bioavailable Protein

It’s like what they call it when we try to have the perfect diet. It can be orthorexia, where you’re so obsessed that you’re more in a prison and your body feels that stress. We’re going to start to wrap up now. I want to ask you, for example, you talked about nutrition. Let’s maybe come up with a nugget for each of your areas of expertise. When it comes to nutrition, what’s one simple shift someone could make to optimize it or make it align more with what the body needs?

There’s a website I love called SeasonalFoodGuide.org. This is only in the US. You can search to see what’s available and in season for you and around you. I tell people to just use that as a framework for the types of things they add to their plate. Prioritize the protein, bioavailable protein. Try to source locally as best as you can. Get your protein in and then fill your plate with those things that are available in your environment to the best of your ability. Single-ingredient whole foods is always going to be an upgrade. Always.

Now what about circadian biology? What can we do to optimize our light environment? One small shift, maybe?

Going outside in the morning. Just get out there and don’t try to be perfect about it but just go outside in the morning with no sunglasses, no glasses. Spend as much time as you can out there and just make that a regular habit. A lot of people will start feeling more energy within the first three days is what I see.

I started doing this after I met with Dr. Jack Kruse, I think it was in 2018, and I never looked back because I was like, “This is so amazing.”

Yeah, you don’t want to miss it. Once you start doing it you just realize you’re like, “I can’t miss my morning time outside. I’ve got to have it.”

Now what about in the category of supporting our hormonal health and leptins? What would you suggest?

Both of those things, primary. Going outside in the morning, definitely blocking the blue light at night, getting to bed early so that all those hormones have a chance to do what they need to do so you’re getting good deep repair, deep sleep. Morning sunlight, blocking the blue light at night, eating bioavailable protein, and sticking to single-ingredient whole foods is going to go a long way for leptin signaling.

Believing In Attraction, Not Promotion

Even though these things are so natural and ancestral, Sarah, I feel like people give us the side-eye when we do these weird habits or even eating real food is like, “Why aren’t you just ordering Domino’s?” What do you say to your neighbors or people in your community who look at you and are like, “This woman is just really doing some unusual things?”

I always believe in attraction, not promotion. That’s my tenet that I try to live by. I try not to preach about anything, I just want people to ask me. Sometimes they don’t and I am like, “Fine, I can just chill. I don’t have to talk for once.” Just in my daily life, I let people ask me questions because they’ve seen how I look like a completely different person than they perhaps knew before. A lot of people are like, “What the heck have you been doing? What diet are you on?” I’ll tell you. Light. I’ll tell you about it but I really fully believe in attraction rather than promotion when it comes to health, all things health-related.

Does that work with the family, too, like with your husband and kids? I’m curious.

My kids are easy because one of them is non-verbal autistic, so she does what I make her do. The toddler does what I tell him to do. My husband, it took him a little bit. He complained about the lighting and he complained about all the things for the first year, probably. “I can’t tell what color my socks are with these stupid light bulbs.” Now he goes outside to tell the difference in his socks and he comes outside in the morning with me. It took him a while to adapt to it.

That’s one thing that a lot of my clients their husbands or even the wives, if I’m dealing with one is the spouse that will sometimes really push back on these things and I’ll tell them, “You have to be the change. You do you. You really dial in here. Don’t stress out about them and making them do it. They might not. Are you going to stop doing what’s best for you because your partner/spouse won’t?” My husband did eventually start doing all the stuff with me. He’s always been on board with the nutrition stuff. It is a problem for some people. People don’t want to be told what to do. You have to be the example. Let them see the change in you and let them get curious about it.

Go Out And Get Some Sunlight

I love that. Just a couple more questions as we start to wrap up. One is, do you ever worry thinking about the stories we tell ourselves? Do you ever worry about gaining all that weight back again? You went back and forth a bunch of times.

I don’t anymore. It’s really crazy. I feel so good and I don’t have that noise that’s like, “You have to soothe yourself,” because I have other ways of doing things and things that make me feel really good. Food is no longer a drug for me. It’s something I absolutely enjoy, but it’s not a drug. It’s not going to change how I feel on the inside. I know that unequivocally now. I don’t have that fear of gaining massive amounts of weight.

Share with us one of those tools that you do use to regulate your mood and that you’ve used as a tool to change your story.

Really simple. Morning sunlight and making sure that my neurotransmitters are supported in UVA light. We are able to synthesize serotonin and dopamine and alpha MSH, which is a powerful appetite regulator. That morning sunlight is so much more powerful than anyone really can understand. Also, grounding. If I’m feeling stressed out, I will go lay on the ground. Take a warm bath, cut my eating window off. I just really don’t eat after sunset. I’m in Georgia so in the winter, 5:30 is really the latest that we go.

I just don’t I have a strict rule. I’m not going to eat after sunset. I’m going to take a warm bath. I’m going to do these things to regulate my body. I’m not going to use food to regulate my feelings. I’m sometimes going to cry and be upset and feel my feelings and express myself and not try to stuff it down. I’m going to talk to a good friend or I’m just going to go in my backyard and start yelling to the wind, but it’s going to get out of my body. It’s not going to stay inside.

I love that. People forget that tears can be a way of detoxing. Just let it out and do what the animals do in the wild. Let’s say the lion is hunting after something, you shake it off. The animals literally shake. To get movement going and to get grounded is so self-regulating and healing. I can’t wait to apply some of these things. Thank you so much for your wisdom. Now I want to ask you the question I love to pose at the end of every episode. If the reader, Sarah, could just do one thing to improve their health, what would you recommend that they do?

I honestly think everyone could feel better with morning sunlight. I think it’s that everyone will feel some health benefit or health boost by really maximizing their time outside in the morning whenever possible. If you can’t, just go outside, rolling down a car window, opening up your sunroof, opening up a window, just finding a way to really experience that.

Everyone will feel some health benefits or a boost by maximizing their time outside in the morning.

What a wonderful way to greet the day. Thank you so much for starting your day with us. We appreciate you. On behalf of the Weston A. Price Foundation. Sarah, it has been a pleasure.

Thank you so much for having me. I’ve really enjoyed it.

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Our guest was Sarah Kleiner. Visit her website SarahKleinerWellness.com to learn more. Now for a review from Apple Podcasts. Amanda said this, “Vital Information. I am eternally grateful for this podcast. The host and guests bring life-changing beneficial information each week and I learn something new every time I listen. My entire family has benefited tremendously from this knowledge that I’ve gained from this podcast. While I sometimes feel like the crazy raw milk lady in my community, I know that I have kindred spirits all over the world thanks to Wise Traditions. Keep up the important work of sharing the wisdom of our ancestors. We need it now more than ever.”

Thank you so much for your review. This really means a lot. I agree with you, we need it now more than ever. If you enjoy the show, please rate and review it also. Go to Apple Podcasts, give us a bunch of stars and tell the world why they should check out the show. Thank you so much for reading, my friend. Stay well and remember to keep your feet on the ground and your face to the sun.

About Sarah Kleiner

Sarah Kleiner – Creator of the MyCircadianApp – is Board Certified in Applied Quantum Biology by the American Naturopathic Medical Board, has completed coaching certifications with the Quantum Biology Collective, is a Certified Nutrition Coach with the National Academy of Sports Medicine, and has also completed the New Biology Curriculum with Dr. Tom Cowan.Sarah has over 14 years of experience working one on one with clients to optimize nutrition, lifestyle & mindset.Her goal is to shift the paradigm when it comes to circadian rhythms, health, nutrition & light, and help people integrate these principles into their lives in a modern world for optimal health regardless of their age or stage of life.

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