Your Life Is Your Medicine

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If your life was given to you in a line up, would you pay for it? Would you buy it, exactly as you’re living it? If not, it may be time to explore what has to change. Dr. Cassie Huckaby is a Naturopathic Physician and founder of Grit Natural Medicine. Today, Cassie invites us to explore how our very lives are our medicine–for our good or to our detriment. And to begin to recognize our own intrinsic power to heal.

Cassie lifts up the power of the human spirit to bring about changes. She explains how our belief system affects our health, and how what is called the “placebo” effect can be used to our benefit for healing. She reminds us that our bodies are on our side—not trying to sabotage us. And that illness or injury may be one way that they communicate to us. Cassie also speaks to us from her own experience of healing and what she has witnessed with her patients. She calls us to get curious and courageous to explore our full healing potential.

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Episode Transcript

Within the below transcript the bolded text is Hilda Labrada Gore and the regular text is Cassie Huckaby.

Be brutally honest with yourself. If your life was given to you in a lineup, would you pay for it exactly the way you are living it? Would you buy it? This is episode 364 and our guest is Dr. Cassie Huckaby. Cassie is a naturopathic physician and the Founder of Grit Natural Medicine. Cassie’s mission is to help us all understand that how we live is our medicine and that we have much more power than we may have realized before to change things up and heal. Cassie challenges our perception of our lives and our belief systems.

She explains how the placebo effect can be used to our benefit for healing. She reminds us that our bodies are on our side, not trying to sabotage us and that illness or injury may be one way that the body communicates to us. Cassie also speaks to us from her experience of healing and what she has witnessed with her patients. Cassie reminds us that it takes grit to get curious, leave the status quo, and start living the life we want to live. Once we do, we will realize our full potential and understand more fully how our life is truly our healing medicine.

Before we get into it, I want to remind you that we wrapped up a series of mental health episodes. Go back and check them out, episodes 357 to 363. We had a focus on a number of topics from addiction to anxiety to burnout and more. As a bonus gift to go with that series, The Weston A Price Foundation is offering free nutrition for mental health brochure.

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Welcome to the show, Cassie.

When we say the impossible, it is impossible according to the limitations put on through the medical industry.

Thank you for having me.

You say you have healed the impossible. What do you mean by that?

I come from the world of medicine. When I say the word “impossible,” I always put it in air quotes because it was impossible according to the allopathic medical model. Even later, I found within the natural medical model, any type of medical model gave me words. Those words had predefined outcomes and those outcomes were like, “I’m sorry, you can’t heal from this no matter what you do. This is a forever thing.” When I say the impossible, it is impossible according to the limitations put on through the medical industry.

The diagnosis and the words that they put on you were for life, whatever your condition was. You had to bust out of that. How did you do that?

I was forced into it, which is a very common thing. That model is not set up to liberate you, show anything magnificent about you, and find anything beautiful or powerful within you. I like things very simple. If things work, they work. If they don’t, they don’t. I like things to make sense and be reproducible.

I like for it to be simple because even Einstein says, “If you do not understand something, you can’t explain it in its simplest form to a child.” If you truly understand something, you can bring it down to its simplest form and explain it. This was naturally how my brain worked. There were a couple of things that preceded it, vaccine, injury, all of these things that came up with this story that predisposed me to this expression.

When I sought out help at that time, I was pursuing medicine. I was from West Texas. I didn’t know anything except for that. If you need help, you go there, so I went there. All of these labs, tests, scans, and all this stuff were run to leave me with five words and a future that seemed very bleak to say the best. I flat out asked them, “What can you do for me?” They said, “Nothing. We’ve got a couple of experimental drugs.” I said, “What are the side effects of the drugs?” “All of these atrocious things.” I was like, “I still have my vision. As far as I know, I could bear children.”

That doesn’t sound like a gamble I’m willing to take. I went home defeated. I was about to give my whole life to medicine. The moment I needed help saving my life, they had nothing to offer me. I was young. This didn’t make any sense to me. I was in a period where everything that I thought I knew didn’t help me and everything I thought I believed in had nothing for me.

It forced me into this position to be available for more information, which is very common for a lot of people that end up in our world. Your hand is often forced. Sometimes you get the wonderful path or the family that already was in it and that’s lovely but a lot of us came out of the left field. We had to find something different.

That made me available to be not as black and white, allopathic medicine or nothing. Everything else is quack and stupid. With that situation, I was available for more information, which opened me up to a conversation I overheard at a coffee shop about a voodoo doctor in town that was “curing people.” I was like, “I’m in the market for anything.” Out of pure curiosity, I went to that clinic.

After being there for one day, everything I thought I knew couldn’t hold weight. My head and heart were spinning. I felt like breathing for the first time in my whole life. I don’t know what this craziness is but I need and want it. I have to know more about it. That landed me in the world of natural medicine, holistic medicine, integrative medicine, functional medicine, and naturopathic medicine. That whole journey ended up being what helped my body do what it already knew how to do, which was heal.

 

In the end of it, I learned everything that you could learn not through just the school but through the lived experience of what I was trying to learn about. That pushed me into this world of the quantum and everything else and has brought me to this point where I speak with conviction, not because the schooling I went to or the mentor I had was great. It’s not that. It is this lived experience. Once you breathe, taste, touch, and dance with it, your belief in it becomes unshakable, which is a very powerful thing or concept to talk about with everything going on in the world. That is why I’m here and what I do with patients. It’s my life calling, passion, and heartbeat. It forced my hand to be available.

I want to go back to that moment when you met that voodoo practitioner. Do you remember what he said that opened up this whole other paradigm for you and set your head spinning? What was presented to you before you got the lived experience that made it true for you and showed you possibilities?

It wasn’t exactly what was said. It was the experience of me going into it. I came out of the allopathic model. When we did rotations, you were like a fly in the back of this whole group of people going from room to room. You only knew their names. Some people didn’t even care about the names before you walked into the room. You already had on the prescription pad what you had talked about that morning when you were going over all the cases. We didn’t even talk to the people. That was where I had come from.

I had been told many times by the attendings and different individuals on that side of the world that I couldn’t cut it because I was trying to get too close to the patients and too emotional. If somebody’s life was lost, I cared about the family. I was put in my place multiple times, “I don’t think you can cut it here.” I’m like, “Why? Is it because I care about humans? What in the world?” There was this whole past of me trying to change me, trying to harden my heart and not to care about these people to do this thing that I thought was going to help me help people, which was this massive conflict, to begin with. I come from that.

On my first day shadowing, this integrative doctor was like, “Do you want anything to drink? Do you need to go to the restroom before we start?” I’m like, “This is going to be 5 minutes, 7 minutes at max. What are you talking about? I will go if I need to in seven minutes.” He looked at me and remembered what it was like when he was on that side. He’s like, “You are about to be in here for two hours.” I was like, “What? With one patient?” He was like, “Yes.” I had no concept of what that was even.

When it started, we cared about their family, experience and how difficult things were, their work, and losses. We asked questions that my heart had been wanting to ask these people this entire time in a hospital setting. I get emotional thinking about it being, “I knew these things were important, that I cared for a reason, that there’s a human and it’s not some organism that we are cutting, pasting, changing, and molding into something.”

I was holding back tears that first day because it validated the humanness in me first and foremost. It felt like a space where I was allowed to care a ridiculous amount about a human I had just met. I was allowed to want to know what their heart loved, what broke their heart and why they even wanted to heal. I had been trying to push this out of my heart and personality.

At this moment, I was like, “We need people to care about people.” Everything that I thought I knew I didn’t know. There was a whole world out there that was so much more beautiful, alive, and in favor of a human heart, mind, and soul. I wanted it more than anything. It was the humans going through it, me being a human in the encounter and the entire orchestra of that moment. I couldn’t get enough of it. I kept going back until it was like, “You have shadowed so much.” I’m like, “I can’t get enough of it.” “You need to go to naturopathic medical school and do this thing.” It was all of that but mostly the human component of care, concern, and interest.

You are a doctor that wants to demystify healing. Is part of it understanding this human piece of it that we have been perhaps overlooking?

Yes, it’s the human piece and the potential piece. I talk about this all the time because it’s very important. Let’s make it simple because everyone is like, “You are more mystical, spiritual, and sparkly.” Yes, I am and I will be forever. There’s a reason for it. Even if you are getting to the science, science researches so that we can “learn things or discover things.”

Within research, the most important thing to understand is what they control for in evidence-based research and double-blind, placebo-controlled research trials because it can alter results. What is double-blind? It is the gold standard which means the practitioner and the participant can’t know what’s going on. If you or I believe something, it’s more likely to happen. That’s a fact. I didn’t make it up or come up with this. We do this.

Things are simple. If things work, they work, if they don’t, they don’t.

If that is a fact, how can that be in the same model that believes in a prognosis and diagnosis? Diagnosis is a word that comes with a story and belief. If you get a word that says, “It’s incurable,” you are automatically in the belief system that something is wrong with you and have a prognosis, which means you have a forecast of your future. How is that not malpractice if we are going to worship it in the realm of research and we are not going to utilize it in the realm of the patient encounter?

The mind is powerful and does not turn a sugar pill into an active drug or take an active drug and make it have no effect at all. We are not going to take into consideration the fact that me telling you that you have a word that means, “It’s incurable,” has no outcome on anything for you. I have a problem with that. Control for these things in a research study because it can screw it up but we aren’t going to give it to you to use every single day in your walking life.

These are those things that I looked at and I was like, “I cannot do this.” Naturopathic medicine, functional medicine, and integrative medicine were as bad. That’s where I’ve got to the point like, “I don’t want to be a doctor because doctors are awful if you look at everything with regards to belief, human psychology, the mind, how that impacts human physiology and the outcome that that has on life.”

There’s this mind-blowing moment of it. It doesn’t take a lot to get there. When you get there, if you cannot incorporate these things, if you believe the power of the mind and then you diagnose somebody with something incurable, that is malpractice in my little sparkly world. This is the power that we have within that realm of humanness.

Everyone thinks humanness is our mushy emotions and love. That is also the same thing as the most unlimited power you have ever imagined but nobody has told you that you have it. When you realize you do, it’s like speaking a different language. A diagnosis means nothing to me. It shouldn’t. There’s this whole new way of thinking, asking questions, investigating, and level of curiosity and concern. When I’m not looking at you as the patient to find something wrong in you, I’m looking to show you everything right and how we get more of that.

I have never heard anyone frame it the way you did, Cassie. The placebo effect is only valid during a double-blind controlled study, as opposed to how we can leverage the fact that we are living, breathing human beings with all this potential and leverage that mindset and belief system for healing, instead we are told, “It can mess things up,” not that it can turn anything around.

See how simple it is to be so far away from the truth of you. Just because it is right means it can mess things up. They don’t tell you that it’s the truth. When we talk about truth, we have to pull in belief too. This has been a big thing because I have a lot of people confused about what they believe in. That’s why everyone in the world is spinning. No one knows what they believe in. We are so fragmented, scattered, and pulled away from what’s true because we are seeking what’s right and good.

The difference between right and good is something I speak on a lot because it’s something that can liberate you. Everything can be right and good from some perspectives. That gets you nowhere and makes you spin. It’s chaos over there. When you look for truth, truth liberates you. It does set you free because it just is.

You are saying that we need to stop looking for what’s right and good because that could be anything. That could be changing from day-to-day. We need to turn to what is true for healing. Can you explain that a little bit more?

There’s a long way to explain this but it’s the difference in premise and understanding premise where somebody informs the questions that they ask and your questions inform the answer that you get. The answer can be right to the question. If the premise is flawed, then it’s usually not a true answer but it can still be right. Even if humans is intending good things, everything can be good.

This is the difference between understanding why a body does what it does and interpreting it through a model of cholesterol increases because of this. We’ve got a predefined limit of where cholesterol can be. That’s not necessarily true. That can change all the time and be right. A couple of years ago, statins and all of this whole cholesterol thing were right and good.

 

That’s where statins and all of that whole story came in. Everyone is shifting because it turns out that wasn’t exactly true but it was right. The people trying to enforce it was well-meaning, so it was also good. This is that dizzy nature of trying to always be good and right. You always need research to show you what’s right and make all your practitioners good. Everybody means well.

Everyone is so dizzy because hardly any of it is touching the truth. Truth is something that there are no exceptions to. It is what it is no matter what angle you are looking in on it. These are those things that when you are massively interested in truth, you investigate differently because you understand the nature of even a leading question. If I’m trying to get you to the outcome that is my protocol or a Vitamin D supplement, I could ask all the questions, get all the right answers and you need my protocol on my vitamin D. “Is it true?” Probably not. “Is it right?” According to my questions and motive, yes. “Am I good?” Yes. I hope you feel better.

This is where it gets massively important to understand these differences. The body does what the body does because it knows how to heal. Our minds don’t know healing. Our body does. Our bodies don’t go and wait until we listen to a podcast, a course has been released or we go to med school. We teach our body how to heal and then the body heals. That is not true. That is the world of being right. Everyone is going to tell you how and why your body does this but the truth is the body is doing it to keep you alive. It has no invested interest in sabotaging you.

Take pregnancy or conception. The woman does not have to know about metaphysics, physics, biochemistry, physiology, and reproductive health. She doesn’t have to know anything for her body to know how to do everything so perfectly to put a soul, spirit, life spark in an embryo and create a human. The body is magnificent. We can create a human without knowing anything and even thinking about it, on accident sometimes.

When it comes to healing because this has been captured by the human intellect, we say, “It’s too stupid to figure out how to reverse diabetes or regenerate this or that tissue.” We’ve got this ridiculous spectrum on what is possible and what is not based on human intellect, not based on the truth about what the human body can do.

The truth is that when you start looking, people have healed from everything. If one person can do it, you’ve got to know that that’s already in you. You can do whatever you want. You would have to do everything required to have that outcome. That’s talking mind, life, relationships, emotions, body, nutrition, hydration, movement, and all of it. If you want it, you can have it. Nobody is saying that because we are saying, “You can do that with regards to XYZ.”

Some people are creeping into the world of this made-up thing called autoimmunity saying, “We can do some of the autoimmune conditions like Hashimoto’s but others, you can’t.” Why? Who said that? If you believe it, that’s exactly what’s going to be true for you. That’s why I tell people too, “You’ve got to find a practitioner that believes in what you believe in. I don’t care what they do. If your practitioner thinks what you have is incurable, they are being a hindrance to your capacity to heal.” This is true. That’s why they blind the practitioners too in research.

If you are coming to me and I’m nice, good, sweet and I care about you, I ask about your pets and your children but I don’t believe that you can heal from your condition, it is not a good encounter for you. You would be better off with somebody who wasn’t as educated and all the things behind them on the wall because they believe in you. Belief matters more than what you choose. If we understand this, we would be so much more guarded about everything that we do, listen to, and engage with because it matters. You can’t say it doesn’t.

I hear what you are saying, Cassie. First of all, we need to see our bodies as being on our side. Too many people think, “My body is betraying me. My knees don’t work anymore.” First of all, what do we believe about our bodies? Second of all, does the person we have turned to for assistance believe that there’s great potential and power within the body to heal itself? Those two things need to be in place for real healing to happen. Do you think so?

Yes. We have to be brutally honest in what you brought up. It’s not what you want to believe in that you need to look at. It’s not what you wish your practitioner believed in. You have to get to the truth of what they believe in. This is something I talk about a lot too. When you can say, “I believe in this but,” you need to pay attention to what’s following the but because that’s what you believe in, not what proceeded the but.

This is an investigation you have to do on yourself. It’s not a “what I wish I believed in” is going to impact me. It’s what you believe in. With regards to your body, when you feel a symptom, do you knee-jerk to, “It’s breaking down and trying to kill me or I wonder what this means?” There’s so much learning and investigation with what you have said right there.

You get a word that says it’s incurable, you’re automatically in the belief system that something is wrong in you.

I want to bring up a situation with a friend of mine who got diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer. She’s quite holistically minded and interested in naturopathy. She got scared by the diagnosis and the words spoken to her. She’s doing all the conventional treatments. My heart goes out to her. Is this also a question of what she believes? What if the doctors are right? What if this strange growth is taking over her gut and stuff? It’s hard to know.

There’s so much that we could unpack there. The one thing that I would say is what’s most important at that pivotal moment, they took a snapshot in time, named it, gave you a story and you are holding the story. It’s like a pimple. If we were to take a snapshot at the most extreme inflamed spot, diagnose it, get all the bacteria and all the stuff, you would have a different story if you never had seen acne before, if you only caught it in the first part or at the end. It got to go through its whole thing.

There’s a whole conversation with regards to that. The thing that’s most important is when it’s already happened and they have already given you the words, you don’t know what you believe in. You are scattered. It’s not, “There’s a one way to do it.” There is, “What do you believe in? Go do that.” It’s not, “What do you wish you believed in?” It is, “What do you believe in?” She would have to get brutally honest with herself and be like, “I don’t think that natural medicine can be as powerful as this stage for cancer is.”

You’ve got to get honest with that. That’s not my belief because I have seen things done and experienced certain things. My belief is one, you don’t understand the full story of the body. You’ve got a snapshot, a name, and a story. You are added fear to that. That’s not a good combination for a human being. Two, for her, pick what you believe in and go all in, whatever that is.

When she and I were talking about where this illness or disease may have come from, she admitted at one point in time, “Hilda, this is from stress.” In a moment of insight about what her body was trying to tell her, that’s what she said. She’s still going all-in with the conventional stuff but she gets glimpses of what is at play. That might help her with healing down the line.

There’s so much with a story like that. There’s gentleness and grace that you have to give yourself once you have chosen the path that you are on. You’ve got to turn blinders onto everything that says, “That’s not the right path.” That’s part of the damage that is this monkey mind, this half in over here, half in over here.

There is this self-enforced limitation to, “I can heal all of these things with natural medicine,” except nature is not weak and what can only handle acne. That is so far from what is True. There would have to be so much unlearning and remembering and then the courage to listen to the truth that your body is speaking to you like that whispered to her.

What if it’s the stress, the courage she would have to have to listen to it and turn everything off that didn’t feel true for her? I deal with a lot of people after they come out of this system that didn’t help them. They sent them home, gave them so many days to live, and have nothing else for them to do. They come to the Wild West, which is me because there’s no other option.

I get the opportunity to show them how to clean up the mess that the other people made and come back into their beautiful bodies that are always fighting for them. It’s the most beautiful love affair that all of us are often missing. There’s so much to even the fragmentation between choosing and your heart aching every time you show up and do it. You’ve got to find some way to put grace on whatever you choose and choose it with all your heart.

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Cassie explains how life is our medicine exactly as we are living in it. She also goes over the importance of grit and courage to make changes to begin leading the life we want to live.

 

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The words you are sharing are important for each of us, whether or not we are going through a health crisis. That reminds me of a motto I have heard you share over and over. “Life is your medicine.” Can you tell us more about what that means?

Yes. It’s multi-faceted. A lot of people think that you come to work with me and then your life is your medicine. We make it into the most beautiful, sparkly, profound dramatic type of medicine that benefits every part of you as a human. That’s what we do. No matter what type of life you are living, it is medicating you. That’s the truth.

I say this all the time to people too. “You cannot supplement the diet, move, walk and detox your way out of a poisonous life.” That’s what a lot of people are trying to do. They are trying to take a supplement to undo something done by a relationship. They are trying to do a cleanse to undo something done by trauma. We are not even speaking the true language of the body.

Everything that touches you, everything you encounter, eat and breathe every single day is medicating you even if you don’t understand how and the outcome or the output of those inputs. Everyone can do it. If you look at the caliber, quality, and details of your life, that is your medicine. If you want a different outcome, you’ve got to go into the life and change different inputs to have a different output. This body is so true. It shows you exactly what it is no matter what your mind wants to convince you that it could be, should be, and would be. It cares about what is and that’s what it’s showing you.

We all have to crawl before we walk or at least we did until the CDC changed. Crawling is a milestone. My question is how can we become more attuned, Cassie, to the beautiful healing design of the body so that we can live that joyful medicine that we all long for?

You have to start being curious. Curiosity means you look at something with no invested interest in anything about it. You don’t think anything good or bad about it. You don’t have a motive that’s going to push it one way or the other. You don’t go in thinking anything. If I were curious about you, I would ask you questions and would not have any idea what you would say. That’s a true curiosity.

If I were trying to push you in a direction of something I already had an invested interest in or some version of you that I want you to be because there’s a better version, a worse version or a version of you that’s good, there is no curiosity in that. That is complete judgment and judgment is incapable of understanding or discovering the truth. It’s leading. You have to have the curiosity to have the availability to discover the truth.

If you believe in the power of the mind, and then you diagnose somebody with something that’s incurable, that is malpractice.

Within your life, you have to have this massive desire and hunger to be so curious about why you think the way you think, why you do the things you do, what more there might be, and what there is about you. Go in there with curiosity instead of, “Natural medicine is right. This is wrong. This is right.” Have a curiosity and be like, “What is here? What do I not know? What is it like to eat, move or breathe this way?” You have to be invested not only in the curiosity of it but the experience of it on your own.

Instead of leading the witness about what we expect about our bodies or what we want for someone else, genuine curiosity embraces what is true. It reminds me of some women and men probably who want to weigh a certain amount. They are pushing so hard to get their bodies at a certain number, not because their body wants to be there but because they think they should be. It’s like they are leading the witness.

That is impossible and incapable of getting you to anything true. When there isn’t truth, there is no peace and relief. You can’t take action in the direction of it. It gets you the results that you want to have. This is the frustrating nature of seeking those things that are right. Everything is right. You will be seeking so far away from what you already hold and have. You would have to have massive curiosity because you have to understand that your mind has been conditioned. You cannot use a conditioned mind to discover something new.

What’s beautiful about this philosophy to me is what may work perfectly for your body might not serve me well. If I’m attuned, I’m not going to be, “Dr. Cassie Huckaby says that I should do this.” If I force myself to do what you are doing, it’s a pale imitation of what my body might need.

This is a big conversation with regards to normal reference ranges on labs, imaging, and what it is to be a normal human. When you start looking into it through the lens of truth, you realize exactly what you are saying. On a grand scale, we don’t know why the body does what it does and why it chooses to heal in the way that it does. The fact is that it only knows healing. You can look at the simplicity of wound healing on the skin. Many of us are not terrified if we get scratched. We are not even terrified to do these crazy surgeries or about the skin portion, the skin healing.

Why? We know the sutures and skin is going to heal but our belief stops right there. It’s made up of all the same stuff, 100%. Every piece of you has that same level of intelligence but you limit it based on what you think some human knows that they have said in a textbook. They are not even going to tell you the magnificence of what is required to heal a cut. Go simple, ask childlike, curiosity questions and see what’s available there. It’s a wild, beautiful ride.

Cassie, where does grit come in? You talk about that a lot too. Does it take courage and strength to pursue the truth you are describing?

Yes. It has to be woven into the decision to start the investigation because when you are going in the direction of the truth, you have to feel things you don’t want to feel. That’s why we have illusions and stories. You have to have the conversations you don’t want to have and feel the things you don’t want to feel. Everyone thinks when I’m talking about, “Your life is going to be rainbows and unicorns,” the majority of it will be.

The other thing that is true about being a human being is that your capacity to fill the ups is your capacity to deal with and be in the lows, the down part of this life. Truth is all of it. Truth is confronting everything and having the courage, tenacity, and different kind of strength to go into these things because they break apart illusions. Humans like illusions because they make us feel safe and comfortable. It takes the most amount of grit, courage, and strength you have ever imagined to go into this world because it destroys illusions and illusions are where your comfort is.

It seems to me that you were able to find that grit, seek that truth and embrace that curiosity because it’s almost your back was against the wall. Many of us have become complacent. We become accustomed to the pain in our elbow or the extra pounds that our body doesn’t want to have on it but it does because of stress. I wonder what could be a little turning point that would help us take that step that’s so challenging to leave the illusion behind and move toward truth.

One thing that everyone has to be brutally honest with themselves is if you were given your life in a lineup the way that you are living it, would you pay for it? Most people care more about their money than how they are living their life. Most people would not pay $50 for the experience of how they are living and engaging in their life. They will blame it on not getting the right body and family.

 

You have every opportunity right here at this moment. It would be like me putting up a meal, us talking about we are all hungry and you think that you are going to get satiated by watching me eat. That’s not how it is. You’ve got to be ravenous. Find something in you that wants to be alive so much that it’s part of it. It’s like you are starving and you get that meal.

For me, that moment was one, “Do I want to be here?” I’m about to have to work myself off to do what I’m going to have to do. That’s what everyone needs to ask. If yes, “Do you want to be here how you are being here?” If yes, keep doing it. If no, then you are going to have to get massively uncomfortable and there’s no way around it. Discomfort in the direction of truth is so beautiful, passionate, delicious, and extreme in the intensity of everything that you get to engage with.

To me, that’s worth it. I would not want to look back on this life and be like, “I listened to everything that they told me. I deteriorated in a bed in my twenties because I believed them. All I had to do was be too naive, blonde, young, stupid, and didn’t understand medicine well enough.” I risk being all of those things. Every step and every bit of life that I get to live took grit. Even being positive, optimistic, wanting more, and loving a ridiculous amount requires so much grit because you are at the risk of being hurt, of loss, and all these things.

People are choosing mediocrity and numbness over the risk of feeling pain. You are already in pain. It’s this low level, subdued, nothing tastes good, nothing tastes bad blah of life. You’ve got to get to a point where, 1) You see it, 2) You are honest with yourself and, 3) You realize you are the only one that can get you out. You’ve got to want to live life so much that it’s worth it.

The numb world of illusion and comfort is a part of so many of our lives because we are being entertained, captivated, and entranced by our devices and the things we are watching to the point where we think, “Virtually, I have been to Rome. It’s like I have been there.” You haven’t but we are confused and out of touch with our bodies and the life that could be awaiting us.

That distraction and detachment are, we are not feeling, tasting, touching or smelling. I remembered when I’ve got back in my body, I was in tears of how beautiful it is. Even the feeling of human touch is something. When you don’t have sensation, you miss it. When you don’t have a sense of smell and the capacity to taste and it comes back and you taste, it brings you to tears. We take for granted the things that we have. We have this level of, “It’s supposed to be here for us. Nothing should be any work and effort. We deserve it because we are here.” There’s some truth to it.

There’s this other angle of, “Do you even love all that you already have? What if you started there before trying to accumulate more? What if you loved the home you were in before you tried to go to Rome to have a certain type of feeling? Can you imagine what that would feel like when you go to Rome if you loved your home? Can you imagine how intense that would be if you could fall in love with your features and then fall in love with another human?”

We haven’t even touched human capacity. We are so far away from the human experience but we can get back to it if we care, if we want to and if we have the strength to do exactly what you are hinting towards. Turn off the devices, be in your world, in your homes, in your family, and more than anything, find out how to be back in your body.

That is a wonderful charge in and of itself. Cassie, I want to ask you the question I often pose at the end. If the reader could do one thing, maybe to move in that direction of getting back in touch with the body, what would you recommend that they do to improve their health?

I would say seek the truth. Give up on good, right, wrong and bad. Start looking for what is true. Be massively honest with yourself. Don’t lie to yourself anymore.

Thank you for being as honest, real, and showing up as you did. We are so grateful.

You’ve got to find some way to put grace on whatever you choose and choose it with all your heart.

Thank you so much for having me.

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Our guest was Dr. Cassie Huckaby. Visit her website, GritNaturalMedicine.com. You can find me at HolisticHilda.com. For a recent review from Apple Podcasts. Pink Acer had this to say, “Perfect timing. Our group was discussing our addictions both to addictive and “non-addictive things. This episode 335 brought more insight and understanding to the table. Thank you.”

You are so welcome, Pink Acer. This means a lot. I love hearing how specifically this episode helped you. You too are invited to leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts anytime. You can also write a letter to the editor if this show or the Weston A Price Foundation has meant something to you. If you are going to write us, go to Info@WestonAPrice.org and put Letter to the Editor on the subject line. Who knows? Your letter might end up in the journal and I might read it at the end of an episode. Thank you for reading. Stay well. Hasta pronto.

 

About Cassie Huckaby

Dr. Cassie Huckaby is a Naturopathic Physician and founder of Grit Natural Medicine. Through her own journey of healing the impossible, she discovered unshakable Truths that she now utilizes through her medicine to help others realize their true potential and optimal health and ultimately shows them how to obtain freedom from the medical system. Dr. Huckaby’s passion is to provide medicine that heals and education that demystifies healing. Her medicine weaves together the modern world of quantum medicine with the unchangeable Truths held in ancient wisdom. She helps her patients understand the language of their body through a deep listening and understanding of how all things including the mind, neurology and soul impact the physical body. She focuses on all that encompasses the human being and believes that with true understanding, Truth, and Grit, you can do what most say is impossible. Above all, she believes, lives and teaches that Your Life is Your Medicine.

 

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