What solid foods are best to introduce to baby? What are the problems with baby-led weaning? Could diet play a part in sensitivity to non-native electromagnetic frequencies? And what are the risks associated with routine colonoscopies?
Sally Fallon Morell, President of the Weston A. Price Foundation, covers the gamut in today’s conversation, as we review highlights from the spring Wise Traditions journal. We discuss issues related to bringing up baby (like their need for cholesterol and the timing of introducing nutrient-dense foods), along with ideas for all ages – like steps to take to mitigate the effects of EMFs and the importance of the local farm for feeding the world.
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What foods should be introduced when the baby is ready for solids and what is the difference between baby-led weaning and parent-led feeding? On another subject, what role does diet play in sensitivity to non-native electromagnetic frequencies and what are the risks of routine colonoscopies? This is episode 329 and our guest is none other than Sally Fallon Morell, the President of the Weston A. Price Foundation. She is a prolific author of many books about nourishing diets, traditions and The Nourishing Traditions Book of Baby & Child Care. We talk about a number of topics covered in the spring issue of The Wise Traditions Journal which had a focus on bringing up a baby.
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Welcome to the show, Sally.
Thank you, Hilda. It’s great to see you. You’ve been traveling. It’s great to have you.
Thank you. I’m excited to dive into the journal because this issue had a particular emphasis on babies.
Yes, we changed focus a little bit. We’ve had a number of lead articles on COVID and what’s causing it and what to do about it but I thought, “Let’s have a change of focus, which is bringing up babies, which is our main focus at the Weston A. Price Foundation.
It’s so important because it restores hope to know new life is coming into the world. How can we best nurture?
We know how to raise children to be healthy and that’s our biggest crisis nowadays. We have so many unhealthy children and so many parents who don’t know what to do. They’re mystified about what to do about the health of their children.
I’m glad we’re going to talk about that. Let’s start with the Caustic Commentary column. I think on that one, you were focused on the ingredients and vaccinations. Was it particularly the COVID vaccine as well?
The whole Caustic Commentary section of this issue is about COVID and the shots whether it’s contagious and so forth. I wanted to focus on one in particular, which talks about what is in these vaccines. We know that it’s some pieces of genetic material, mRNA. We don’t know how this behaves in the body but there are additives to these vaccines and we do know what they do in the body. One of them is what they call lipid nanoparticles.
Those are wrapped around the RNA because the RNA degrades very quickly. You have to have this coding on it. Those are these lipid nanoparticles. They’re not lipids. It’s antifreeze. It’s something called PEG, Polyethylene glycol. These are nanoparticles of this antifreeze. Now antifreeze changes the characteristics of liquid-like your blood. We know that about 70% of people have antibodies to PEG in their bloodstream and it can cause very serious reactions even phylactic shock.
Did you mean 70% of the population?
Yes, not that they’ve had the vaccine but they do have antibodies to this in their bloodstream, maybe from other vaccinations, who knows. We don’t know but there’s an ingredient called Tromethamine. Tris for short. This has numerous side effects. I’ll read a few of them. Allergic reactions, low blood sugar, racing heartbeat, confusion, hunger, weakness, passing out, numbness or tingling, trouble breathing, swelling in the arms and legs, tissue damage and weight gain. This has been injected directly into your tissues so it gets into your bloodstream, bypassing the barriers of the gut.
There’s no way to defend ourselves easily against these additives? Some people might say, Sally, “It’s a risk-benefit thing. I’d rather have these side effects than to get COVID and die.”
That’s what people are saying. Yet, COVID, you need to get out of the way of what’s causing it, which is the millimeter waves of 5G and be on a good diet. Not on any drugs or anything. Ninety-nine percent of the people recover from COVID.
That’s right, worldwide. That is a statistic that’s hardly ever mentioned that most people recover.
The side effects from the shots can be a lifetime, lifelong. Who’s the singer?
Was it Eric Clapton?
Yeah. He first thought he’d recovered and now says he’ll never play again. These side effects don’t go away. In a lot of people, they linger but that’s not all. We’ve got more. Another one is sodium acetate. It’s considered a harmless ingredient but it has a long list of problems including blood in the urine, blurred vision, burning, crawling, itching, numbness, pins and needles, changes in skin color, chest pain, confusion, dizziness, irregular heartbeat and fever. The list goes on. Then there’s another one called dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate. It can cause permanent kidney damage but the clincher and the last one is potassium chloride. That’s in the COVID vaccinations. This is used as the third drug in the three-drug cocktail for executions by lethal injection because it causes cardiac arrest and that’s in these vaccines. I’m not even talking about what we’ve learned since then, spike proteins and graphene oxide. These are the basic ingredients that are in all these shots.
What gets me, Sally, is that people are big on reading labels now, which is wonderful. Like, “Let’s see what’s in this food,” but people don’t bother to read the labels of the ingredients in the vaccinations.
Not all of them were on the label. There are also package inserts, which they don’t read.
People just go in and now there are free shots everywhere. You can get incentivized, perhaps win a lottery or something.
Also, free Coca-Cola.
Thank you for putting that out there. I think it’s helpful. Now, let’s switch gears to the babies.
We talk a lot about babies and have how to have a healthy baby. We have a special diet with very nutrient-dense foods like liver, egg yolks, cod liver oil and raw milk. For both parents before conception to prepare and for mom, while she’s pregnant and breastfeeding.
Not only when they’re pregnant or breastfeeding. Are you talking about getting ready beforehand?
Yes but now it’s time for the baby to be weaned. The question is what do we feed the baby? The advice that most parents are getting is useless. The American Academy of Pediatrics, you would think that they would have the best advice. They say, “Eat a variety of foods and textures.” That’s all they say. A lot of the books talk about no salt for babies, no fats, skim milk.
Are they still pushing that rice cereal?
They’ve had to back off the rice cereal because it turns out the rice had arsenic in it.
It still seems heavy on vegetables and fruits.
Suppose you said, “It’s time to feed babies themselves. We should go to the grocery store.” That’s what most people do. What’s available at the grocery store is either pureed fruit or pureed vegetables, usually in plastic. There’s no salt added. There’s no fat added. It’s like giving baby candy because they are going to have a blood sugar spike and low blood sugar then they cry a lot. There are only a few meat options. Usually, they contain weird ingredients for a sauce. You can get some pureed grains and they’re usually weird grains like quinoa and not properly prepared or anything like that.
The parents are trying their hardest but what they’re finding in the grocery store may not be suiting their baby’s needs. What do you recommend?
The babies starve on what’s available in the grocery stores. By the way, in the old days, you could buy pureed liver and pureed egg yolks in glass jars. Some company needs to bring that back because there are going to be moms who will not prepare their baby’s food. If they only had the pureed liver and pureed egg yolks, it would be something.
That’s along the lines of the nutrient density that we always promote and these other foods you’ve been mentioning, don’t have a lot of that good stuff.
The other big thing now is called baby-led weaning. The idea of baby-led weaning is that you put a few pieces of food on the baby’s tray and the baby will know what to eat. The real question is, “Does the mom know what to put on a baby’s tray?” The Baby-Led Weaning book recommends things like rice cakes, which are indigestible for the baby. Raw fruit, which is also quite hard for the baby to digest. Maybe a piece of cheese, if the baby’s lucky, a piece of lettuce. Most babies, when you start out, can’t even chew this stuff.
The Baby-Led Weaning book also recommends no salt and that it’s okay to microwave these foods. Their justification for giving the baby this choice is the research of Gladys Davis at Mount Sinai University. This was back in the ’30s. She was working with orphans. She would put all these foods on the table and let the children tell them what they wanted. The thing is, Gladys Davis knew what babies needed. She had liver, eggs and whole raw milk. There was a bowl of salt for the babies. They could put their hand on that salt if they wanted to. There was fresh fruit and cooked fruit but the thing is it was pureed or mashed.
The Baby-Led Weaning book says, “You don’t need to do that. You just give them these big chunks of food.” The babies are going to starve and are going to choke and make a mess, which is very stressful for moms. Mom needs to be in charge. She needs to know what to feed the baby. She needs to prepare that food. She needs to be in charge. I do not agree with the idea that the baby gets to choose what he eats. Let baby choose his toys, have freedom all the rest of the time to explore or whatever. I’m all in favor of that but you are in charge of the meals because the baby does not know what to eat and doesn’t know how to prepare it.
Is it also not a special opportunity to broaden their palate? In other words, I often think of the Inuit’s in Alaska or in other parts of the world whose children are raised on practically a whole seafood diet of whale blubber and sea oil. Some kids in the Western culture don’t want that. Why? Because they’re not accustomed to the taste.
They’d never been fed those things. I have a cute video online. It’s a video of my grandson. My daughter is feeding him pureed liver. It’s very watery. This is like the first time he’s eaten. She’s having a conversation with him. She has not left him alone to try to eat these chunks of food. She is putting the spoon in his mouth and talking to him and he’s responding and smiling. Now it’s true that he does push a lot of it out with his tongue. That’s often interpreted as the baby’s not ready for solid food.
Nothing could be further from the truth. It needs to be interpreted as the baby is learning how to eat. She catches that back in the spoon, puts it back in his mouth. The baby’s having a great time. He’s getting completely nourished. Mom knows what to give him. He’s having a conversation with his mom. He’s associating eating with being with people, connections and there’s no mess. Mom doesn’t have to clean up a big mess afterwards, which I think is very stressful.
As you recall. I think so too.
We started out with two of the most nutrient-dense foods, which are pureed liver and egg yolks. One of the reasons we liked these two foods is because they’re so high in cholesterol. Baby cannot make his own cholesterol. He needs to get the cholesterol from the food. Most diets for babies nowadays are completely devoid of cholesterol. They are not getting animal fats.
Does mother’s milk contain cholesterol?
Mother’s milk is very high in cholesterol and has special enzymes to ensure that baby absorbs all the cholesterol in the milk.
Formula doesn’t have that.
There’s no cholesterol in the infant formula unless it has whole milk powder but very few of them do. The other big question is when do you wean? I’m very concerned about this idea of exclusive breastfeeding where you breastfeed the baby until he’s about a year then you start the solid food. The baby needs iron by the six-month. In all cultures, babies were fed solid food by six months. In some cultures, it was at one month. A mom still breastfeeds and the breastfeeding can go on as long as you want, as long as the baby wants it. You need more than breastmilk, certainly by six months. In a big, strong, robust baby, you start at four months. What happens in the exclusively breastfed babies are they become anemic and pale. I’ve seen a lot of clingy, fully breastfed babies, exclusively breastfed babies because the anemia makes them shy. It almost appears like autism. They need those iron-rich and cholesterol-rich foods by six months.
What’s the thinking behind those who choose to exclusively for so long? Do they just think that somehow it’s better for the babies?
Yes, they think it’s better for the baby. The baby’s not ready for solid food.
I’ve seen babies as young as four months trying to reach for the table and the food because they are curious but I think they’re also showing that they’re interested in eating.
The other thing is that you do need to prepare your baby’s food. There’s nowhere else you can get such nutritious food. You need to put salt in it, for example. You need to put the butter in the food and it’s for life. You’re going to be bringing up these healthy children. You need to cook for them. There’s no other way around it.
You want to give them that solid foundation.
You want to give yourself the solid foundation of getting in the habit of preparing their food.
Thank you for addressing those questions, what to feed and when for those little ones.
By the way, I go after the Baby-Led Weaning. It’s a terrible idea. I think the book is awful but I call it parent-led feeding. That’s what we need.
It’s juxtaposed with the Baby-Led Weaning. I do like the connection piece that you were talking about as well because I think that’s important. Not to leave the child on their own but to take that time to nurture.
You see these pictures of babies with a big tray and all these chunks of food and nobody’s there. The baby’s all alone and has to navigate these foods that he can’t macerate and swallow. Whereas when mom is feeding baby the puree, he’s having a great time. He’s got her undivided attention. Maybe it only takes ten minutes but eating is a very pleasurable activity for the child.
It’s interactive too. Let’s talk about this next article, which I think also relates to children in some ways too. It was written by a member who is highly sensitive to electromagnetic frequencies.
Yes and she had been for a long time, long before 5G came out. It’s hard for her to deal with even radio towers and computers. She couldn’t sit in front of a computer. Now, she had been a vegetarian. I do find that correlation. I would love for somebody to do a study. I think people who have been vegetarians are on plant-based diets, not getting a lot of good fats, possibly not getting enough salt are much more sensitive and have a harder time dealing with electromagnetic radiation.
It’s almost like they don’t have the reserves to fight, to withstand it.
Because the wiring isn’t as robust as it needs to be in their bodies to deal with this. I think she was living in Boston and noticed that the men putting up some tower in front of her apartment. When they turned that on, that was the 5G. She had to leave. She could not function at all. It wasn’t only being uncomfortable or having headaches. She had to get out of there.
Someone else in her shoes might not have associated the problem with something in the environment. Kudos to Ruth. What’s her last name?
Ruth Amanda and she was already primed to be suspicious of this.
What does her article Canary in the Coal Mine focus on?
It was all the things that she’d done. Somebody wrote to us and said, “This is so complicated. It sounds expensive.” It’s either that or do nothing, I guess. She did a lot of things. She had to live in the country for one thing. She had her house wired so there was no Wi-Fi. She didn’t use a cell phone. She changed her diet to have more animal foods and more saturated fat. Eventually, she was able to function, let’s put it that way and to use the computer also because she wrote the article and to do email and all the things we love to do with this wonderful technology. People who are dealing with this will get a lot of good ideas from her article.
Hers is the cautionary tale, which is why we called it or why she called a Canary in the Coal Mine. In other words, some of us may live within a certain radius of cell phone towers and feel fine but it still may be affecting us in ways unbeknownst to us, which is why someone who’s sensitive can wave the red flag so that we can pay attention to what’s going on in our environment.
I also think the other messages, while we may not be able to change what’s happening outside where we live, we can make sure that our houses and especially our bedrooms have minimal electromagnetic disruption. She also talks about what she does when she does go outside. She has a mesh veil that she puts over her head and that helps. She’s been able, with a lot of adjusting and a lot of changes, to function in this world but it was a challenge.
I’m proud of her again for her own personal detective work. I think a lot of people may be anxious or have trouble with sleep and not realize that it’s associated with the electromagnetic fields around them. From what’s going on in the external environment to what could be going on the very inside of us, let’s talk about the colonoscopy article.
This was a great article by Merinda Teller. She writes a column called Reading Between the Lines. It’s Routinely Risky: The Shadow Side of Colonoscopy and I had no idea. I wouldn’t ever do one of these things anyway.
They’re so heavily promoted. When you’re over a certain age, get your colonoscopy. Thank goodness. I haven’t had one either.
This is the opposite of what we’ve heard out there.
They are quite risky. First of all, you have to empty your bowels and take a liquid that’s got a heavy metal in it, gadolinium, that can be X-rayed so they can see the bowel. Otherwise, they can’t see it in an X-ray. That’s number one. By the way, those heavy metals are the things that do make you very sensitive to electromagnetic radiation. That’s number one. Number two is they have to give you an anesthetic. Number three, many times when this device is put into your bowel, it perforates. It creates a hole. The final thing is the cleanliness. It is very hard to sterilize this equipment after each colonoscopy. You’re entering into an area of the body that has a lot of toxins in it and a lot of pathogens. There are a lot of downsides to it. It’s not clear what the benefits are. We haven’t seen any decrease in colon cancer.
It’s interesting you should mention that because what came to mind is Katie Couric because she lost her husband to colon cancer. I think she even had a colonoscopy on television or something. They only showed part of her body but she is big into promoting how this could have saved her husband’s life. I wonder.
I wonder if he’d had one or what. If you’re bleeding from the bowel and you have any indications that something serious is going on then it might be worth the risk but to have everybody have a routine colonoscopy who seems completely normal, that’s where the question comes in.
Do you think some of these procedures are promoted because somebody is going to benefit financially from that?
There are a lot of benefits that keep you coming back. There are so many tests they want you to do. If you get on that treadmill of going for your yearly physical, they have ways of finding things that are wrong with you. With all the tests, they’ll find something wrong.
The more tests you have, the more money the hospital or the medical facility gets. A lot of times, patients don’t mind because they think, “Go ahead and be thorough. My insurance covers it anyway,” but then, insurance costs a lot too. It’s like a little racket here. I’m grateful that she wrote that. We’re going to do farm and ranch. I know we always have a column that has to do with farming and ranching. I think Anneliese Abbott has been writing articles.
We’ve had a series of four articles by Anneliese Abbott. I found them fascinating. The gist of it is why we have been promoting industrial agriculture? The answer is because the thinkers of the day were malfeasance and believe that if we didn’t produce lots of food, that a lot of people would starve. We didn’t have the luxury of wondering whether this was organic or whether we were using chemicals or anything. We only had to produce food. That turned out to be a wrong assumption because the world opened up. We have a lot more land than we thought we had for agricultural production.
A lot of the famine that they saw in the late 1800s, early 1900s was due to mismanagement and wars and that thing. The population growth has decreased as well. Even countries like India are feeding themselves. India is exporting food. The idea was that India was all going to starve if we didn’t start doing industrial agriculture. The one in this issue was called Anthropogenic Apocalypse: Fear, Malthusianism And Famine. She talks about the early writers on industrial agriculture and why they were promoting it. They genuinely believed if we didn’t do something, most of the world would starve itself. That was the assumption.
It reminds me of a book called When Helping Hurts. People who are motivated out of, let’s say the goodness of their hearts but inevitably what you do is you’re replacing the local agriculture and the local food sources when you’re coming in with a bunch of rice, let’s say, or corn.
Also, a bag of soy protein. This, I believe, was the second of the four articles. We did the last one. Maybe this was the third but we did the last one in the summer issue. That was about the Green Revolution in Mexico, where one person, in particular, went to Mexico. He was appalled by the poverty as people naturally are. He thought, “The only thing that we can do is have hybrid seed and use a lot of pesticides and everything.” What happened was he paved the way for industrial agriculture in Mexico and forced a lot of pheasant farmers off the land. There’s still tremendous poverty in Mexico so it didn’t solve the problem. If you’re selling hybrid seeds or equipment or herbicides or pesticides, whatever. There’s a lot of financial motivation for this kind of agriculture but the assumptions that have been made have turned out to be false.
I remember hearing a President of the United States at one point saying, “It’s our obligation to feed the world.” The heart is in the right place but it’s not helpful in the end.
The word feed is wrong. It’s our obligation to help the world nourish itself. That’s the way we should put it. They should be growing their own crops, their own indigenous crops using their own methods helped out by technology. We can use technology on a small scale to continue with traditional foods and traditional methods.
We’re not saying everyone should go back to plowing by hand, necessarily. Sally, this has been a great conversation. I want to remind people that members get this Quarterly Journal. It’s one of the perks of a member. It’s like a tangible thing that you can read while you’re sitting in the sunshine or by your garden and you can get inspired and go more in-depth. This is only a highlight reel overview.
The journal is our lifeblood. Every article does go onto the website and that’s all completely free but with the membership, you support the work we do and you get the print journal.
Thanks so much for this conversation.
Thank you, Hilda. It’s great to be with you.
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About Sally Fallon Morell
Sally Fallon Morell, MA, President, is best known as the author of the best-selling cookbook, Nourishing Traditions®: The Cookbook that Challenges Politically Correct Nutrition and the Diet Dictocrats.
This well-researched, thought-provoking guide to traditional foods contains a startling message: animal fats and cholesterol are not villains but vital factors in the diet, necessary for normal growth, proper function of the brain and nervous system, protection from disease and optimum energy levels.
She is the President and Founder of the Weston A. Price Foundation and an advocate for nourishing diets based on ancestral wisdom.
- The Nourishing Traditions Book of Baby & Child Care
- Caustic Commentary
- Baby-Led Weaning
- Canary in the Coal Mine – article at the Weston A. Price Foundation
- Routinely Risky: The Shadow Side of Colonoscopy – article at the Weston A. Price Foundation
- Anneliese Abbott
- Anthropogenic Apocalypse: Fear, Malthusianism And Famine – article at the Weston A. Price Foundation
- When Helping Hurts
- Green Revolution