The flip of the calendar often has many of us vowing to take better care of ourselves. And there is certainly no time for that like the present! Sally Fallon Morell, president of the Weston A. Price Foundation, today discusses how to best nourish ourselves so we can be stronger and better than ever in 2021. To get there, Sally covers a lot of ground. She underscores the importance of eating lots of nutrient-dense animal foods, replete in vitamins A and D—foods that have protective properties to help us fight off toxins and illnesses. She offers ideas for how to start a Wise Traditions pantry or larder. And she concludes the conversation with words of caution regarding the new coronavirus vaccine.
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The flip of the calendar often has many of us telling to take better care of ourselves. There is certainly no time for that like the present. This is episode 289 and our guest is Sally Fallon Morell. Sally is the President of the Weston A. Price Foundation and the author of the popular book Nourishing Traditions. Sally takes us back to basics as she reviews highlights from a Wise Traditions Journal. Sally reminds us how to best nourish ourselves so we can be stronger and better than ever in 2021. To get there, Sally covers a lot of ground. She underscores the importance of eating lots of nutrients animal foods, replete, and vitamins A and D that are foods that have protective properties to help us fight off toxins and illnesses. She also offers ideas for how to start a Wise traditions pantry or larder, and she concludes the conversation with words of caution regarding the new Coronavirus vaccine.
Welcome to the show, Sally.
Thank you, Hilda. It is nice to be back.
I love these episodes where we go over the journal because not everyone has time to read every bit of it. I love that we feature certain highlights.
Our journal is aimed both at the scientists. We have always some pretty well-referenced scientific articles, and then the practical articles as well. This fall journal is no exception.
Let’s kick it off with something from your caustic commentary. I think you had some little articles about vitamin A. What’s going on with that?
I have comments about vitamin A. One was about vitamin A and the lungs. I stumbled across a very lengthy paper about how vitamin A protects the lungs. I think this is particularly important as we’re looking at this COVID illness, which particularly targets the lungs. In the autopsies of people who’ve died from this disease, the lungs have disintegrated. Vitamin A is very important for protecting you against COVID, whatever may be the cause. We hear a lot about vitamin D, but we’ve been at the forefront of warning people to take vitamin D. Without vitamin A, it is going to be quite harmful. They’ll have some adverse reactions to vitamin D.
Are there vitamin A pills that we can pop?
No, of course not. We don’t believe in pills and certainly not in the synthetic versions of vitamin A and vitamin D. These can be quite harmful. It goes back to the Wise Traditions diet and the foods rich in vitamin A and D, and that starts with liver. Everyone’s should be getting some liver in their diet one way or another for vitamin A. The poultry liver has the A, D, and K. All three of the big ones in a nice proportion. We shouldn’t forget these Wise Traditions principles in this era of this serious disease. Vitamin A is very protective of the lungs and that’s the part of the body that’s most affected by COVID.
Did you have something else you wanted to point out about that?
We had another one on vitamin A and the measles. Measles is a very mild disease in a well-nourished child. You hardly notice it. It comes and it is gone. It has a slight fever flushing in the face, and it’s over. That happens in children who have good vitamin A status who are getting these wonderful foods like liver, egg yolks, raw milk, butter, seafood, all the foods that we get these fat-soluble vitamins from.
People are afraid of measles because they’ve heard of children dying of measles, but generally, those children are malnourished or undernourished children in other countries.
That’s exactly right. There are few, if any, deaths in the United States these days from measles. It’s extremely rare, but measles is a serious disease in third world countries where the children are very malnourished. One of the greatest health efforts of all time was getting vitamin A to children in third world countries and it cut back on the complications from measles.
What is the most common or deadly disease in our time?
It’s not COVID, nor measles. It’s surprisingly still tuberculosis. Three thousand people per day in the world die from tuberculosis. That’s horrendous. No one’s talking about a vaccine for TB because they don’t work. Everyone knows they don’t work. Tuberculosis is the disease of nutrient deficiency and the body breaking down, usually again in the lungs. This particular cost of commentary was about vitamin D for tuberculosis and how in the past, the treatments for TB were putting people out in the sun so they got their vitamin D. Also, giving them raw milk and foods rich in vitamin D. including cod liver oil. It’s the same old standbys. Whether it’s measles, COVID or tuberculosis, we need those fat-soluble vitamins. We need them in food form and that’s what’s going to protect us whatever the disease.
This is so reassuring to hear it this time when people are panicking.
People are afraid and there certainly are a lot of nutritional things that you can do for yourself, starting with the fat-soluble vitamins A, D, and K, and the foods that are rich in those vitamins. Those are all delicious foods. All the other aspects of Wise Traditions diet will also help you. Raw milk provides glutathione and a particularly active form that helps you detoxify. Fermented foods, a nourishing bone broth, good salts are extremely important. All of this help in one way or another to protect us from electromagnetic radiation and whatever other toxin is going around.
Let’s talk about toxic iron. There was an article on toxic iron in the journal.
It’s been a long time since I’ve wanted to do something on toxic iron. I heard Morley Robbins speak about the subject a couple of years ago, and then we invited Dr. Ben Edwards from Texas to speak at the 2019 conference. He gave an excellent review of the subject. Iron is a two-edged sword. We need iron for our blood and for other processes in the body, but particularly for our blood. It’s the iron in the hemoglobin molecule that allows it to carry oxygen to all the cells. Iron is essential. However, we always get things wrong. It seems like we try to do this artificially. Most foods now are fortified with iron. The baby formula is fortified with iron and it’s in a lot of supplements, vitamins, pills, and so forth. The iron in this form is not the heme iron that we get from food. It is free iron and this is very toxic in the body.
I’ve never heard that before, Sally. They’re fortifying our food with iron that isn’t working for us.
That’s right. For example, a cup of breakfast cereal has four times more iron than we need. It is in a form that creates a lot of oxidation reactions. It’s quite toxic. There’s not a lot of iron in the mother’s milk for a reason because the baby needs the zinc in the first few months of life. Only later does the baby need to get extra iron. The baby should get all the iron from the umbilical cord, which doesn’t always happen. In any event, we shouldn’t be adding all this iron to our food. We should be eating iron-rich foods, instead. What intrigued me in the article was the sidebar called the Root Cause Protocol. This was a diet protocol given by Morley Robbins to counteract the effects of toxic iron. It’s a good diet going forward so that you’re not getting a lot of toxic iron.
First of all, he said, “Don’t eat low fat, high carb diet, which is what’s being recommended.” Most of these carbs are iron-fortified, wheat bread and cereals to avoid high fructose corn syrup, synthetic sugars, omega-six oils, such as soybean oil and canola oils. It sounds like the Wise Traditions diet is exactly our recommendations. I always love it when somebody outside of the foundation comes up with recommendations that sound just like ours, possibly for other reasons.
Some people might say, “This is common sense to avoid these things,” but I promise you there’s been some campaign for high fructose corn syrup and sugar. Even people in this health and wellness space are saying these things are okay for us.
There’s always pushback and damage control. The second point was to stop taking the following supplements. Number one is iron supplements and vitamin D supplements. I couldn’t agree more with taking vitamin D supplements and people are taking thousands of units of vitamin D per day. This is way too much. Also, it’s not being supported by vitamin A. Vitamin A is particularly important for using iron properly in our bodies. There is an enzyme called ceruloplasmin, which needs vitamin A to work. It also has copper in it. Copper and vitamin A support the proper use of iron in the body.
I’m reminded that these nutrients work together synergistically, and this is one reason why taking a supplement that isolates, one of them may not be as much help as we think.
It might be. If you needed something in a drug-like way rapidly, then there’s a case to be made, but certainly not every day. In addition to iron and vitamin D, he cautions against calcium, zinc, molybdenum drugstore multivitamins, and prenatal vitamins. I couldn’t agree more. Avoid synthetic forms of ascorbic acid and that’s vitamin C citrate and citric acid. As you know, citrate and especially citric acid are in many foods. He’s saying that this exacerbates the problem of toxic iron. Stay away from fluoride. Do not use colloidal silver as an antibiotic. It reminds me of years ago, I met a man at a conference. His face was green and I couldn’t stop looking at him. He said, “I bet you’re wondering why my face is green.” I said, “As a matter of fact, I am.” He said, “I’ve been taking a lot of colloidal silver,” so that made his face turn green. It is something that’s going to stay in your body like that. It’s not a good idea. I’ve never liked this idea of taking colloidal silver.
Me either. I’ve heard of a lot of people trying to do it as a form of detoxification of the body, but again, they have to take much caution and take into account what Morley is saying.
The old idea was you ate with a silver spoon. You fed a baby with a silver spoon because it was more sanitary. If they got a little silver from the spoon, that was supposed to be good, but to take colloidal silver is going to be toxic. You can see that it’s going to be toxic. Let’s go over the signs of iron overload because this could be what is causing a lot of problems in people without them realizing it. Auto-immune diseases, cardiac problems such as heart attack, heart failure, hormonal problems, liver problems, rheumatic problems as joint pains, osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, sexual and reproductive problems, and many other problems, including hair loss, skin color changes, depression, and abdominal pain. There’s a whole laundry list of symptoms here of what could be caused by this iron overload. The only solution is to get off processed food because it all has iron added to it.
Let’s go to the next article you called Anthrax, Arsenic, and Old Lace.
I got thinking about this problem. The whole article just appeared in my head one morning. Back in Pasteur’s time, a serious disease was anthrax. A lot of animals were dying of anthrax and Pasteur’s first vaccine was an anthrax vaccine. The anthrax vaccine didn’t work and a lot of animals died from the vaccine. After a couple of years, they stopped doing the vaccine, yet anthrax faded away. It’s not a serious disease now. It’s considered rare. It comes only in third-world countries and certainly, we don’t see anthrax in the West. What happened? The interesting thing is that the signs of anthrax and the signs of arsenic poisoning are identical. You get these black lesions on the skin or the animals got these lesions and it’s eventually fatal, a very serious disease. Why did it suddenly disappear? My premise is that they stopped using anthrax in the sheep dips.
The symptoms of arsenic poisoning and anthrax were similar. Is that what you’re saying?
That’s right. It’s these black lesions and the animals or the humans get very sick and they eventually die. Why did it suddenly disappear or gradually disappear? My theory is that they stopped using arsenic in the sheep dip. Sheep dip was first introduced in about the 1820s, 1830s. It was an arsenic powder that came in these big bags. It had to be mixed with water so sometimes people got “anthrax” but the animals who were dipped got it big time. It was a very serious cause of loss of income for the farmers. I guess it was about the 1900s when they stopped using arsenic in the sheep dip and they used something else. Probably also quite toxic, but it wasn’t arsenic. The thing that puzzles me here is that the French knew what arsenic poisoning looked like because the bestselling novel was Madame Bovary and she died of arsenic poisoning. It was graphically described how these black blotches came over her skin and what the symptoms were and everything. Everybody in France knew what arsenic poisoning looked like and why they didn’t recognize anthrax as arsenic poisoning? I don’t know.
What this reminds me of is when polio was sweeping the nation. It was at the same time that we were using DDT to lessen the mosquitoes in the area. The reaction to the DDT was essentially what they decided to dub as polio.
DDT was nerve poison. They knew that it caused the degeneration of the spine and eventually, paralysis. There was testimony before Congress about this, but it never got to the public. The public could never make this connection. They were spraying DDT and the dairy that women sprayed it in their houses. They had the DDT tracks go along the beaches and the children ran in the spray and yet the connection was never made. It’s so hard to understand why somebody in France wasn’t smart enough to make this connection, but as far as I know, nobody did.
What if they did and that information got suppressed, which is quite likely?
Not having access or not reading French very well, there’s no way I can check this, but as far as I know, nobody made this connection. One of the things that I point out in this article, Pasteur made his fame rested on this anthrax vaccine and also on a rabies vaccine, which also didn’t work. When he died, there was this engraving in the newspapers and it was an actual altar like an altar in a church. There was his picture above the altar, like God with something that looks like an angel and on the alter were all these flasks and beakers, the scientific things. A woman is kneeling in front of the altar. What you’re seeing is, is this a new religion? All of these symbols are religious symbols, but instead of it being a religion, we think of it as science. Science has become the new religion with the death of Pasteur. Science is going to save us from these invisible microbes, viruses and whatever. It turns people away from looking at what are the real causes of disease, such as poisons like arsenic, DDT, and nutrient deficiency.
I wonder who made that illustration. Pasteur himself certainly didn’t.
He was gone by that time, but it’s in the article. You have to look at it carefully, but you can see it could have been a church. Instead of having the communion vessels on the altar, you have these science things, these beakers and flasks.
I have heard some people say, “If the public around the world is turning to scientism in droves, that is the new high priest, the person with the white coat.” In this time of desperation in a lot of ways and fear, I love that you’ve mentioned a couple of times already in our conversation the importance of returning to Wise traditions. Let’s talk about what it would look like to prepare for an uncertain future in a Wise traditional way.
There was a wonderful article in the journal by John Moody about how to be prepared. That may not mean going out and living off the grid and doing all your own food, but there are certain ways that you can be prepared. The first way is to support your local farmer. If we don’t support these farmers in good times, we won’t have them in bad times. We got a taste of this with the meat shortages. People went out in droves to the small farms to get their meat, but once the meat came back in the markets, they went back to the markets. If you want to have these farms available when you need them, we need to support them all the time.
What a better sense of food security if you know exactly where your farmer lives and exactly what they’re producing and how.
Also, you’re not dependent on airplanes, trucks or whatever to get that food to you. You can even walk to your farmer to get the food if necessary.
Step one, know your farmer. What else did John recommend?
He talks about growing your own. If you do have some land, it’s not a bad idea to grow your own, to have some backyard chickens, maybe a couple of milking goats. It’s not for everybody. I often have said, “We need to make sure that our message includes the single mom living in an apartment in Brooklyn and not just the people who are fortunate enough to have property out in the country.” Have you noticed how many people are moving to the country? I read that the population of New York has declined by 300,000 in the last few months.
People are taking their health into their own hands and realizing that maybe they need to get out of some toxic environments.
Environments, where your food supply could be more jeopardized. I liked the fact that Moody talks about storing food. How are you going to store food? The idea is to have a root cellar and you can build a root cellar in your backyard. There are all kinds of plans that you can get online, DIY for building your root cellar. All you need is somebody to come in with a backhoe. I even saw one that was made with old tires.
Why is it called a root cellar?
It’s called a root cellar because they’re naturally cool all year long. People used to store their roots in there, the potatoes, sweet potatoes and all their fruits and so forth. You can also store cheese and preserved meats. I saw a wonderful photo of a root cellar with a bunch of hams hanging up. That’s a great way to store food. Even if you have power outages, your food stays cool. You can store your fats down there, butter, lard, and be prepared. Barring the root cellar, I like his suggestion of a chest freezer. These are very efficient. The things will stay cold, even if the power is out for up to after 24 hours. It would be good to have a supply of survival food in the chest freezer.
What would you say to someone who’s like, “Sally, what you’re describing sounds amazing, but we live paycheck to paycheck?”
That’s a hard one. It requires some planning. I still think you ought to make sure that you have at least two weeks’ worth of food, even if you’re living in an apartment. That could be canned food. It could be canned tuna or canned oysters. You can get canned pâté, have a few loaves of bread in your freezer. The fats that we need are easy to store. Butter and lard can be stored in a cool place. Some of these fats come in jars like duck fat or lard. They don’t need to be cool. I don’t want to overwhelm people. I certainly don’t recommend all this survival food that they’re selling where you add water because these foods are loaded with MSG. They’re usually loaded with sugar also. Let’s say something happens and you can’t get food. You can’t go out because the lights go off. Can you survive for a couple of weeks? It’s very important that we are able to survive in one way or another. That could be canned pâtés, fats, root vegetables, carbs, but I recommend having a couple of weeks’ supplies of oats, rice, and wheat available so you’re not dependent on having to get out.
I think it’s foreign to our culture now, but what about the concept of sacrifice? In other words, what if I stopped watching a couple of Netflix shows that cost $5 or whatever, and use that money to buy some extra food to provide for my family?
I like to point out that as our expenditures on food have gone down, and I believe about 7% of our income now is spent on food, our expenditures on medical care have gone up. In 1920, we spent 17% of our income on food and only 7% on medical care. Now it’s the reverse. We spend 7% on food and 17% on medical care. It adds up to the same, and wouldn’t it be better to spend that money on good nourishing food than need medical care?
Let’s go to the COVID vaccine concerns. There’s a lot of talk about preparedness, “What if we preventively took a vaccine so that we wouldn’t get COVID?” What do you think of that?
This is being pushed. The idea that this will all be over. We can go back to life as normal if everybody has a vaccine. Even with that, the thing is we get the vaccine, but you’re still going to have to wear a mask and social distance.
Fauci said that.
I know, and so did Tedros. What people have to realize is this vaccine that’s being developed is a completely new type of vaccine. It’s called an mRNA vaccine. I’m not in favor of any vaccines, but the old vaccines took years to develop. They were difficult to produce because you had to grow the virus, the bacteria or whatever it was on eggs, some kind of culture or medium. This mRNA vaccine, they say is very quick to produce. They don’t have to test it because it’s best or they don’t have to test it because it doesn’t have to take as long to produce. That in itself makes me nervous because they not looking at the long-term effects of this vaccine. They are injecting snippets of RNA, including RNA grown on aborted fetal tissue. That’s also being used in this COVID vaccine into your tissue. What I’ve read is that they do this with a little electric shock that opens up your cell membrane so this foreign RNA goes into your cells. I don’t know about you Hilda, but this doesn’t sound like a good idea to me.
Especially not with the exception. They have the emergency override of their normal vaccine safety protocol, which in and of itself probably isn’t the best protocol anyway, but they’ve overridden that. They’re jumping a lot of steps and doing something quite untested.
It is quite new. In the early studies, we kept hearing about people having terrible reactions to these vaccines, put them in the hospital. We heard about animals. They said, “These animals had an immune reaction.” We see that the vaccine worked, but then weeks later, all the animals were dead. The early reports coming back about these vaccines were not very encouraging. When you read the papers, they say, “These vaccines were 97% effective or something.” This is just playing with numbers. What do they mean by effective? They mean that they got an immune reaction, an antibody reaction. That’s the body reacting to all the toxins in the vaccine. It does not mean that you’re going to be protected from this disease.
I think the vaccine manufacturers even say that it will perhaps take care of symptoms, but will not necessarily protect people completely from the disease.
They’re hedging their bets and they’re covering themselves, but they’re already covered. I don’t think people realize they have complete immunity. If you get sick, if you have a life-threatening reaction, a lifelong illness or you die, you can’t sue them. They’re free from liability. A little red light should go on that this is not a good idea. In fact, it has gone and lots of people, about half the population say they wouldn’t get the vaccine.
I’m glad that we are hearkening people back. We’re calling them back to wise traditions. Let me ask you a question, a little variation on the one I usually ask, what would you recommend the reader do as one of the most protective steps they can take against any disease or virus?
We believe that this disease is caused by electromagnetic frequencies, particularly the 5G frequencies that are being installed everywhere, including in the rural areas, something called 5G Light. What we did at one of our conferences, I think is a great way to start that whenever you get together as a group, you put your cell phones on airplane mode. We did this at the conference. We rolled out this new etiquette and the girl there had a meter. The meter she said was pretty high for a rural setting. A lot of people all together with their cell phones and everything. We ask people to put it on airplane mode and that meter went down to zero.
Suddenly, we have a safe environment for our gathering. People will be gathering for Thanksgiving, their families, and friends. I think we should start these new etiquettes now and ask everyone to put their phones on airplane mode. In fact, what I’m going to do is put a basket inside our back door. That’s where everybody comes into our house, not the front door and say, “For your cell phones, please put them on airplane mode.” People aren’t bringing their cell phones into a place where everyone’s having a good time.
We can reduce our exposure when possible with a simple step.
It is risky to be in groups, not because you’re passing around a virus, but because everybody has their cell phones on, especially these new 5G phones, they’re pretty powerful things.
Thank you for your time, Sally. I always love it.
Our guest was Sally Fallon Morell. Find her blog at NourishingTraditions.com. Thanks so much for reading. Stay well, my friend. Hasta pronto.
About Sally Fallon Morell
Sally Fallon Morell, MA, President, is best known as the author of the best-selling cookbook, Nourishing Traditions®: The Cookbook that Challenges Politically Correct Nutrition and the Diet Dictocrats.
This well-researched, thought-provoking guide to traditional foods contains a startling message: animal fats and cholesterol are not villains but vital factors in the diet, necessary for normal growth, proper function of the brain and nervous system, protection from disease and optimum energy levels.
- Weston A. Price Foundation
- Nourishing Traditions
- Root Cause Protocol
- Anthrax, Arsenic, and Old Lace
- Madame Bovary