The Raw Milk Rebellion: Why Young People Are Returning To Real Food For Healing With Will Witt

How did a guy into politics and the culture war become a health and wellness advocate? Will Witt is a 2x national bestselling author and international speaker. And today he talks about why young people need to question everything and be willing to rebel to regain their health. Will shares his own story of a serious diagnosis that had him questioning conventional medicine and taking his health into his own hands. He also talks about the transformative and healing power of raw milk.

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Young people are being given prescription meds basically handed out like candy and conventional therapies that lead them nowhere fast. This may be part of the reason real foods, like meat and raw milk are part of a new movement, if not an out and out rebellion. This is episode 529 and our guest is Will Witt. Will is a two-time national bestselling author and an international speaker. His videos have received over a billion views online and he has been featured on outlets such as Fox News, The New York Times, the Daily Wire and more.

Will used to work in politics and the culture war but he has turned his attention now to focus on health, nutrition, and lifestyle. Will describes the wake-up call that happened to him that got him into all of this, how he was diagnosed in his mid-twenties with an unusual old man’s disease. He talks about what preceded that, including why he dropped out of school and what led him to work on a dairy farm. Basically, you’ll find out soon enough that Will broke away completely from the standard American diet and his life has changed for the better.

You’ll get glimpses of Will’s rebellious streak when he talks about how he sees our society as something of a Brave New World type scenario. He talks about how we can avoid being pawns in the system. This is the second episode in our young adult series this Spring, by the way. We’re hearing from young people and touching on the topics that are particularly relevant to them. Before we get into the conversation, I want to tell you a little bit about a special farm that is doing things that are moving us in the right direction.

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Welcome to the show, Will.

Thank you so much for having me. This is a monumental thing for me. I’m very excited to be here. More excited than usual for other shows. It’s because Weston A. Price’s Nutrition and Physical Degeneration was one of the first books that I read in this whole space. It is such a fantastic read and everything you guys do is awesome.

Will’s “A-Ha!” Health Moment & Gout Diagnosis

It’s amazing at points to ancestral wisdom. We’re so thankful to be a part of this movement, which is gaining steam. I want to ask you, though, Will. What was your a-ha moment? When did you realize, “The standard American diet and lifestyle doesn’t work for me?”

It started when I was living in LA. I was walking around and I filmed a video for when I was working at a company I was at and my foot just started hurting horribly. It felt like I had rocks in my shoe like someone was stabbing my foot. I didn’t have any cuts on it or anything. I go the doctor and said, “This is gout.” I’m like, “Isn’t that what old people get? Don’t old people get gout?” I didn’t even know what it is. They called it the Kings disease.

It might be fitting. Whatever. The doctor starts telling me, “You got to cut down on red meat. You need to eat more vegetables, more salads, and things like that.” I’m like, “Okay.” I didn’t know any better at this time. I cut out the red meat and I mean like lean turkey and stuff like that and lots of vegetables. My gout didn’t improve it. It got worse. I feel like I couldn’t walk. I didn’t know what to do and so I started looking online for other things and other alternatives then I heard about raw milk.

I heard about red meat and these things about inflammation that they say are caused by red meat is not the case at all. Saturated fats are all vilified and all this causing inflammation is not the case. I was like, “This vegetable and lean meat thing isn’t working. Let’s try something else.” I tried going on red meat. I procured raw milk in California, which is one of the best states for raw milk which is surprising for a lot of people. I got raw milk and switched my diets to basically fruits, raw milk, and red meat. My gout completely went away and I haven’t had gout since then. It’s been fantastic. My dietary and lifestyle changes has made that inflammation completely gone.

How old were you when they diagnosed you with gout?

It’s embarrassing to be 25 years old. It’s not the greatest thing to say I’m 25 years old with gout. That’s a horrible thing to say but it goes to show what is very indicative of our society now in the sense that even someone as young as me at 25. I wasn’t like a complete couch potato or anything, but I ate for convenience. I would go and have something on my lunch break or at dinner and order something. It didn’t seem all that bad. It just fell like this is what everyone else does.

What did the doctors say, Will, when you were like, “Everything’s turned around and reverse?” Did you ever go back to that doctor?

I didn’t go back to that doctor because then I was like, “There’s no way that these people are trained right.” This was right around when COVID was starting to happen too or right before COVID and then COVID happened. You have these same doctors were telling everyone you got to get jabbed and you got to wear your mask and the six feet and all this nonsense. I was like, “If these same people are saying this, what is all this connected to? How is all of this related? There must be some reason because this guy didn’t help me and then he also wants people to do this. It doesn’t seem very helpful in any of these things.”

Looking into all of it and seeing, we’ve been lied to about so many things on our health. Thinking for so long about how bad butter is for you is just as a very simple thing. It’s something that was ingrained in me as a kid. Eat lettuce and don’t eat butter. That’s pretty simple right there that you get told. Now, I realize it’s the complete opposite. Maybe you guys would like this but I could send you some before and after pictures of my diet. You guys could put on the screen or something for the people who are watching. It’s ridiculous losing like 12 pounds going all lean and muscle mass and everything just from the dietary changes and other stuff.

When Sally wrote her book Nourishing Traditions, it was pushing back against what she called the diet dictocrats. The people saying go low fat, eat lettuce and avoid butter. All the things you’re saying, but it just shocks me that here so many years later, that message is still going out.

I’m online all the time and doing research. I’m becoming a health coach and getting everything I can so that I can influence people and talk to people about these things. I’ll talk to someone and they have no idea. I’m in the echo chamber, a little bit of thinking like, “Doesn’t everybody know the butter is good for you now? Isn’t that like what they’re talking about?” People still don’t know. They have no idea. I try and tell people about these things and like, “No way. Butter tastes so good. I don’t want it. That’s going to make me fat. Lettuce tastes bad but apparently, it’s good for me because it tastes bad.”

It’s like these very ingrained types of modalities that people have when it comes to nutrition that are just completely outdated. Even a lot of the, you could say more mainstream people are starting to come out about whole fat dairy and the HDL versus LDL and cholesterol and those things. There is a resurgence of that but the government standards with the USDA and the fill my plate thing, or whatever it’s called. I know they don’t do the food pyramid anymore but it’s like the percentage and MyPlate. These are still completely backwards.

“Do Not Comply” Philosophy Applied To Health and Lifestyle

Is this one reason you wrote your book Do Not Comply? Did it have to do with the nutrition guidelines or more than that?

Wise Traditions | Will Witt | Raw Milk — Do Not Comply: Taking Power Back from America’s Corrupt Elite

When about Do Not Comply because I’m naming my health coaching business Do Not Comply Health because what all this comes down to, when you hear do not comply, you think of COVID, the vax, the masks, and distancing but it’s about anyone who wants to turn you into a slave. I’ll talk to so many people who are now on this new dietary trend and doing these things. When I was eating pizza and DoorDash and whatever nasty stuff. I’m not eating healthy.

No one said anything but then I went and say, “I want to drink raw milk. I want to eat beef all the time. I want to eat fruit. It’s basically my only source of carbs.” They’re like, “You’re a crazy person.” I’m like, “I’m eating what is so basic and Occam’s Razor the most simplest solution and you’re telling me this thing with 100 other ingredients is the normal way to live.” It comes down to doing the most simple things. Do Not Comply is about anyone trying to make you into a slave and tell you that you cannot question what this means or what the purpose of this is.

I’ve read that you’ve said these terrible xedu foods that industry, big food and big Ag, and the government are promoting as healthy are destroying our minds making us more likely to comply.

Anyone who has ever gone on a weekend binge and they’ve drank or eaten horrible foods. I know when I’m on my good diet now and I’ll go and go out somewhere. I’ll have Pizza Hut or something like that. I had that and I felt terrible the next day. I felt awful. My body couldn’t even handle it anymore. It’s like, “Is this what I’m feeling like what I was feeling like all the time when I was eating these horrible foods?”

When you are eating well, these pure primal or whatever type of foods. You feel fantastic. You have your on and off days, but for the most part, you’re feeling great. You wake up with energy. You go and get some sunshine as soon as you wake up. You feel great, but if you’re eating these foods and also injecting yourself with whatever and ingesting any bad supplement or whatever it might be. You are setting your mind up for failure.

It’s like people talk about, “I want to fight against my government, tyranny and the elite and all these types of people.” You cannot fight against these people if you have chronic illnesses by the time that you’re 60 years old. If you have gout by 25 years old, you cannot fight against your government. If you have a lethargic brain, obesity, or any of these things, you just can’t do it. Staying in that peak performance health is an important imperative for not letting these people control us.

That’s right. These chronic health conditions as you pointed out are starting at younger ages. I’ll never forget when I was teaching fitness classes. I was like 40 something and I had a friend who was twenty something. She’s like, “I’ve got arthritis.” I was like, “What? You have arthritis?” At that time, I didn’t know that much about the nutrition component. I thought, how can this young girl be crippled and so affected in her joints by arthritis, which I also thought of as an older person’s condition but these conditions are showing up at younger ages.

I had arthritis in sixth grade. I had juvenile rheumatoid arthritis and I remember running. Track was my sport. I ran and my knee blew up like a pumpkin. It was so full of pus. It was horrible. I was like twelve-years-old maybe or something like that. I shouldn’t be having arthritis at that age and there’s a lot of different factors.

There’s prenatal environment, the environment that you’re in, the food that you’re eating, and all sorts of different stuff that could potentially play into that genetics. You don’t read about our ancestors having arthritis when they’re twelve-years-old. This is unprecedented levels of unhealthiness that we’re having in our society. Some our fault and some not our fault. Whatever it is, it has to be addressed to have a good functioning society.

As people say a lot now, “No one’s coming to save you.” You have to take your health into your own hands and start making some choices as you did when you went to raw milk, red me and a fruit. What was your next step, Will? Was that when you started working on the raw dairy farm?

That came a little bit later. I moved to Florida and I started a newspaper out here. It was called the Florida Standard. I did that for about a year and a half, but I was still very into the health things and talking to people about it. I ended up selling the newspaper then I went and worked on the raw dairy farm with a girl who I was dating at the time. It was a fantastic experience. I never worked on a farm before.

Raw dairy is something that I would say it’s probably the hardest form of farming that there is. That’s only because of the amount of cleaning that you have to do. It doesn’t matter what day of the year it is. It could be Christmas, your birthday, or New Year’s Eve. The cows have to be milked twice a day every single day unless they’re feeding the calves. The machines have to be completely cleaned. The regulations that they have on these things for raw milk is insane. It’s unlike any other type of farming in that way. It was a very difficult experience. At 5:00 AM, I’m milking the cows, but I loved it despite how difficult it was.

Raw Milk: Myths, Safety, and a Rising Revival

I’m glad you’re saying this about how intense it was because some people think, “The government isn’t regulating raw milk. Probably it’s full of pathogens,” but because it’s a self-regulated industry primarily. I know, for example, Sally Fallon Morell. She’s constantly testing her pet milk, which is how she sells it in Maryland. There’s always a more rigorous standard I would say because there’s no pasteurization that could blanket what’s going on. In other words, the milk as it starts out raw has to be clean.

I’ll talk to farmers all over the nation and a lot of these states that do have these pet consumption laws. Florida is one of them. You talk to them and they want to sell it to humans, if that’s okay. People will say, “It’s okay that it’s for the pet consumption only because let’s say someone goes and they drink the milk and for some reason, God forbid, is not likely to happen.” Let’s say someone did get sick. The farmer could go say, “You’re not supposed to drink it. It’s for pets only.”

It’s like, in a sense, there is a weird protection of the farmer in a way with that type of thing. If I would have heard this before ever going to the farms and seeing that. I would have been like, “That’s dumb. It’s just whatever for humans. It’s fine.” I’ve talked to a lot of farmers and they say that it protects us in a way even though they’re not selling bad milk. It’s more like something that they don’t have to worry about in that way but we want to give raw milk to the mainstream and have it so that everyone can enjoy its nature’s perfect food to me. It’s my biggest issue, the raw milk.

At the foundation, we love it so much. We started a RawMilk.com or RealMilk.com initiative. It was called a campaign for Real Milk. Sally started this back in the day and consumption has gone up. It’s gone up 60% some in 2024. It’s just taken off. It’s exciting to witness, isn’t it?

It’s so exciting. I did a raw milk cleanse a few months ago. For five days, I wouldn’t like to go longer, but I missed having a burger. I did five days of nothing but raw milk and it was from this protocol book from the 1930s from a doctor. If you don’t know, people used to prescribe raw milk for all sorts of medicinal benefits for people. It’s staggering, diabetes and all sorts of different things. I did this raw milk cleanse.

It was 6 ounces every 30 minutes for the entire day from basically when you wake up to when you go to sleep. It was incredible because at that point, you’re basically going into ketosis for the whole time with that and you feel like you’re on top of the world. It was difficult at first. You’re not eating anything. No water. No anything. Only the raw milk but after a while, it was pretty incredible. I felt great afterwards.

Will, I think that’s one reason consumption has gone up because people feel so sick. They’re looking for answers and they’re coming across influencers like you and others. They’re saying, “Let me give this a shot,” but because it’s doing so well, it’s threatening the status quo and the conventional dairy industry. This is one reason possibly they’re trying to blame raw milk or restrict the purchase and sale of raw milk because they’re linking it to the bird flu because it’s threatening the industry. What do you think, Will?

That’s complete nonsense, the way when people talk about this. If you look at the amount of sicknesses that people get from something like deli meat. It far surpasses anything that people have gotten from raw milk. I know that brand Raw Farm USA. People have probably heard of them. They’re probably the most popular raw dairy brand out there. Every time I go on Instagram and look at their page, they’re facing some new controversy of someone coming after them for, “This was sickness or this type of thing.”

They explained it and say, “No, this isn’t the case. None of this is going on.” The way that they’re saying it’s all manipulated and I know. When you’re working on a raw dairy farm, these people will disguise government employees, these FDA employees and stuff to go into your farm to see how you’re doing it and pretend to be customers. This is if you’re doing on-farm sales and things. People will disguise themselves to go into these places to check them out. Not even people in the government. They’re just people.

There’s people who hate raw milk who will go in and try and do anything to get you shut down. Self-regulation and all that is paramount. These raw milk people, the farmers who are making the raw milk and doing the raw dairy, these are some of the most careful, well-educated, incredible people I’ve ever met, the people who I talk to. They are so meticulous. If you go to a standard dairy, which I’ve been too as well.

You go to a standard dairy that’s doing pasteurized milk for one of these big dairy products. You will not find anything close to the cleanliness, the friendliness, and the environment the cows have. Nothing even compares to being on pasture raised cattle who are getting personally handled by the farmers who are then cleaning it for two hours, the dairy, afterwards after every single milking. Twice a day, cleaning for two hours. It is spic and spam, every single time. Raw dairy is one of the cleanest things that you can do on the planet if you are having a proper way of doing it. I’ve never met one who is not doing it well.

Raw dairy is one of the cleanest things that you can do on the planet if you are having a proper way of doing it.

Can you tell us more about what you saw at the conventional dairy situation without naming the company or whoever was processing like that?

One of the things that I find interesting is that you hear a lot about grass-fed like grass-fed dairy and things like that. You’ll have these massive stalls of cows that are on concrete all day long and then they’ll go and pour grass as their food then they call it grass-fed. That label is a little bit misleading and it makes all the stuff so confusing. I don’t like to make this stuff confusing for people but in reality, when you’re looking for the meat or the dairy isn’t grass-fed. You want to make sure that it’s on pasture because they’re getting around this by just having them in these stalls and dumping grass into their stall and they’re still living miserable life, these cows.

The way that they do it at the conventional dairies, the milking process is similar in the sense but it’s all there, you could say technocratic. It’s all very new age-y in the sense of like very conveyor belt type of thing. The cow goes in and cow goes out. Clean it super fast and there’s no sense of care or love of the animal.

There’s no sense of, “I have this beautiful thing in my hands. This animal created this and I’m able to give this to people and drink it or my pets. Whatever it is.” It’s an amazing incredible thing. There is none of that at a conventional dairy because it’s all just the process of getting as much milk as possible by fattening the cows up as much as you can and making it so that they produce as much and as creamy of milk as possible. Not thinking about anything else. It’s quite sad.

It’s just the opposite of what a lot of us would love to see. We embrace regenerative Ag because we know it’s healthy for the soil and good for the animals as Joel Salatin like to say, “Let the pig explore the pigness of being a pig. Let the cow do its things, grazing on the grass.” Grass-fed not in name only but because they’re on pasture and their manure and their urine fertilizes the soil and so forth. It’s a beautiful harmonious dance in nature that we’re missing when we mechanize it as you’re describing.

It’s such a beautiful thing watching it in action. When I started the farm because I did it for about three and a half months. We had to be reassured and we had some pasture that was completely trampled by the calves. They do it. They ruin it, so then we’re re-pasturing and introducing mulch and putting the chickens in there and all sorts of different stuff. You watch how it changes. I’m rotating each cows on the pastures and things. I look at it as a very sacred process in the sense of like I never killed anything before and never gone hunting or anything like that.

I went and slaughtered 50 chickens on the farm. Chickens who, you can say I knew. I knew the chickens and I slaughtered them. It was like an experience like nothing else I’ve ever done in my life. You process them and you put them in the bag and they are ready to ship to people. You look at it as like, “I’m taking this animal’s life. Thank you, chicken, for doing this and for sustaining us.” Most people don’t know where the food comes from and what it takes to do all of this.

If they saw how it was done, they might have a different opinion about the conventional farming versus regenerative farming where the people who are doing it regeneratively are putting the effort and time into their animals to make the best product for people. They care and that’s the most beautiful thing. All the farmers who I talked to, they cared which was so cool to see.

The Brave New World Scenario & Societal Control

Now, I want to pivot a little bit and talk about the Brave New World that you see. A lot of us read that book back in the day. It was a recommended reading in 10th grade and in high school. Picturing a scenario where the world isn’t as beautiful as what you were just describing. It’s not that human touch. How do you see that coming to fruition now, Will?

In school, a lot of people have to read 1984 and then they all start to read Brave New World. A lot of people, at least in the political movement, look at the world as more of a 1984. They think the government is spying on them and all these things. I think there was a degree of truth to that. To me, it looks way more like Brave New World. I’m not sure how familiar people are with B.F. Skinner and his work in behavioral psychology and all that he did. Essentially, he found the positive reinforcement works well for influencing behavior for social engineering the negative reinforcement.

A dictatorship of dictator cracking a whip on people is not going to last because the people were revoked because they don’t like it. Technocracy with positive reinforcement for bad behavior is going to make a self-sustaining type of society and that’s what you have in America now, where the people who are doing the worst things, the people who are doing things that don’t help people are either for their own vanity, control, or whatever they are, get rewarded for these kinds of things.

It’s like getting rewarded for being the most immoral person and for being debaucherous on social media. All these things they get rewarded in our society and then that makes more people want to do it. Instead of putting forth the good values through positive reinforcement of courage, this good health stuff and a truth of goodness beauty. It is the worst of our society that I believe gets heralded to the top positions and then itself fulfills and the people below want to emulate that and they become controlled through that.

We see this in middle school and high school, like, “Who’s the most outrageous kid?” Everyone’s paying attention to them but it’s happening on a broader level in society. Are we bringing this on ourselves or is it coming from the top down, do you think?

I think it’s both. I hate to say that it’s just the people at the top because I know for myself, the food in America is terrible. You go to even a popular health store and you still look at the ingredients on the organic snacks and it’s full of seed oils and all this stuff, but it’s like I know the information. I know the knowledge even though the world is out to get me, I would say. I can still make the good choices for my life to do whatever it is that I want in my political career with all the stuff that I did. I saw the political world changing with my conservative movements and it didn’t look good to me, the way the conservative media world was going.

It felt very self-focused very much so on the people who were doing these things just so that they could get more accolades. They didn’t care about the message they were putting out. I didn’t want to be a part of that too much anymore but that is a personal choice, even though the world around me is looking this way and I’m supposed to do this. I didn’t want to do that anymore. There is a sense of personal responsibility that people need to take even if the world around them is terrible.

Imagine if everyone took personal responsibility. If everyone stood up for the truth and what they believed in, none of this stuff would ever be a problem anymore because everyone would be brave enough. I would always get people calling me or in my speeches and asking me like, “How do I stand up on my class for what I believe and/or against my family?” It’s so scary. I’m like, “Imagine if everyone who also has these things also stood up at the same time. You wouldn’t have to worry about these things anymore.”

People are so scared about taking that step about that personal responsibility and taking that risk, then work continually stuck in this situation. It’s imperative now that everyone stands up. There are people at the top doing evil things who want to control us who are making our lives very difficult, but that doesn’t take away your own personal responsibility to see what is going on and change it for yourself.

When that one person has that courage and digs deep and takes that stand, then it inspires others to do the same. It can become a title of that moves in the other direction.

I got into all the political stuff I was doing and again, I don’t know the complete politics of your audience or anything but for me, I was very conservative. I was sitting in class one day of my sophomore year of college and a girl came up to me. She’s like, “Who are you voting for?” This was in 2016. I was like, “I don’t even know who you are. Why are you talking to me?” She was like, “I’m voting for Trump.” I was like, “That’s cool, I guess. Why are you doing that?” This girl started talking to me and explaining all these different things to me. I was like, “That’s very interesting.”

Eventually because of this one girl coming and talking to me, I got hooked up with the organization I went to work for then PragerU. My whole life started, dropped out of college to go do this because of one girl coming up and talking to me and changing my mind on this topic or at least opening me up to a different opinion. It’s like you have no idea who you could influence by going and saying the things you believe. You don’t have to do it in the mean-spirited way. You’re doing it in a compassionate way but it’s so incredible what can happen.

I love that. In this case, with the foundation we’re A-political so we don’t take a stand on any of that stuff, but all of this translates well to the food space because we do need to be bold because raw milk can be vilified as we’ve discussed and other things, too. People say that maybe it’s bad to eat meat for them. Did you know, Will, that they’ve come out with some pill or injection for cows to stop them from farting so much?

I think I saw something about that.

It’s so absurd because again, instead of getting to the root cause of life, maybe the animals aren’t in a great situation. They’re on concrete. They have a lot of flatulence. Instead of maybe changing their environment or even realizing that it’s not their flatulence it’s causing climate change. We are trying to like fix the cows and stuff fixing other things. That’s so silly.

Isn’t that basically the whole reason why GMOs were invented and pesticides and all those? Instead of looking at the root problem, our soils are bad because of this. We’ve done this and ruined the environment. Now, we have to continue chopping all these trees. Whatever it is. Instead of looking at that and saying, “This is the main root of the problem. Let’s find a quick Band-Aid solution.” One thing in regenerative farming, a lot of regenerative farmers don’t till the soil because tilling the soil is not good when you’re trying to resell your fields.

We’ve tilled the soil so much all across America that you basically have nothing left. You have to put fertilizer in these chemical fertilizers into the soil because we’ve done that to the soil now. They say, “I’ll just go till it again. Maybe that’ll help.” Putting a Band-Aid onto a bigger problem. You need to introduce biodiversity into your place and not mono crop, then you can fix your soil to do a better thing. If you’re not doing these and just these Band-Aid solutions, none of it’s going to fix actual problems. That’s a very difficult thing to do to actually want to fix the problem.

Band-Aid solutions won’t fix real problems—and truly wanting to solve them is the hardest part.”

Now, going back to our personal choices. I want to ask you about what was one of the biggest breaks you made from like, all of society is going in this direction. I’m going in this direction, whether it has to do with diet or maybe with not complying with mandates back in the day or what have you?

The Brave New World Scenario & Societal Control

A lot with COVID. I didn’t do any of that. None of it and I couldn’t be happier in my life now that I didn’t do any of it. You hear all these young people who are my age and they said, “I got vaccinated so I could go to a concert.” You got vaccinated so you could go to a concert or you could fly to Greece or something? You gave up that easily?” It’s crazy, and then they tell me raw milk is bad for me. It’s just so funny when I hear that stuff. During the COVID, I would say quite a vocal voice for the very loud minority of people who are standing against these kinds of things, against vaccines and the state. I’m living in LA at the time. You couldn’t go anywhere. You couldn’t go to a restaurant. You could barely go to the grocery store because I would never wear masks. I never wore a mask.

What about the beaches? Weren’t some of the beaches closed, too?

Some of the beaches were closed. It was phenomenal in the opposite direction.

Will, you were so young. What gave you the fortitude because it isn’t easy to do something that’s against the crowd? We were a tribal people, as God made us. We were meant to belong. We like being a part of a group and suddenly, you’re pushing back against what most people are saying and doing.

It just felt right to me. Up until COVID, I had been working in the political space and I’ve been doing things. I’d become very successful in doing that. A lot of it when you’re in the political space and talking about these things, you’re pontificating on things that haven’t exactly happened yet. You’re talking about, if the Democrats or the Republicans do this, it’s going to be terrible or if this happens, this is what’s going to go wrong.

When COVID happened, it was like, this is real. This is in my nation now. This is happening and it is all these different things that I have thought about and been warned about. Now it’s coming to fruition. I have no other choice but to go and fight against it. I do get people to come up to me and say, “Will, you’re brave for doing this.” I don’t feel that way. I just felt like this is what I should be doing.

I wish that more people would go and do the same thing because I understand I’m in a position that’s different. I’m a political talking head or influencer, so I have a different degree of what I do for a living but I wish more people would go out and say these things because what we could accomplish as a country, as a nation, as individuals if all of us just took that leap to be brave about these things we believe in. We have no idea what we could accomplish.

It’s like the girl in the classroom, but what strikes me is, you were interested and engaged. Sometimes, we become almost, let’s say evangelical and some of our zeal. We turn people away because they could care less or they simply even, as a Bible puts it, they don’t have ears to hear.

This might throw off some people. I’m a flat earther and that type of moniker or whatever. I’ll go and I’ve talked to some people about this like at a Thanksgiving party. I talked to these two guys and I’m having fun with it and very easy going with these things. These guys are getting so mad. They’re getting so mad about me talking about this. I’m like, “I don’t know if it’s around. I just don’t have any proof and here’s some different information that might interest you. Maybe think about it.” They’re like, “Screw you.” They’re super mad at me about this.

I’m like, “Why are you getting so worked up over something that neither you or I have any proof is true regardless?” When it comes to a lot of these health things or the politics things, or shape of the earth things. Whatever it is. A lot of these things are very central to people’s identities. If you come in and attack someone for something that is so inherent to who that person is, like say, I’ve been eating this food for my entire life. I’ve eaten broccoli and low-fat yogurt for breakfast every single day in my life and that’s who I am.

They integrate it into themselves. It’s like a Freudian thing there but they integrate it. When you come and say, “Maybe there’s something different.” It doesn’t compute. It takes a real maturity of people to be able to look at new information and take it and say, “Maybe that’s not true. Maybe it isn’t, but I’ll look into it.” I have the mental maturity to do that but a lot of people in this day and age because they’re so worried about being ostracized by the certain group, as you said their tribal. They will get very scared and not want to have any conversation about these things.

We’ve danced around this a little bit, Will, but part of it is there is so much coming in. It’s not just that we’re integrating and identifying with our food but there’s a lot of programming and here’s where we go back to Brave New World. We’re they always announcing, “We’re against this country.” They would do these mind games with the information that the media and the government was conveying. Again, going back to health, we are more pliable in the hands of those programming us if we are not well nourished.

If they make you feel good for doing these things, then you’re going to think, everything’s just okay and everyone else is doing it then you feel completely fine. As long as other people are doing it, people will do anything. They had all those experiments. They are not experienced but looking at the sociology of the people in World War II, these German soldiers who went and committed these horrible acts or the Russian soldiers who went and committed this horrible acts and when interviewed about it and asked what you do this by yourself. They would all say no, but when you’re in a certain group and other people are doing things. People are capable of such evil and also such good but in the case of now, it’s such evil.

I was just reading the account of that Christmas Eve on the Western Front, let’s say in World War I. Some soldiers started breaking out on the German side in a Christmas song. The enemy, let’s say it was a British. I don’t recall, but they started singing as well, and the next thing you knew, both sides laid down their arms and started playing soccer and exchanging gifts. It was like there was a peaceful moment because someone dared to break with the norm and to lift up something special and different.

Rebellion As The Source Of Real Progress & Personal Responsibility

That’s what it all comes down to. I have always said that real progress only comes from rebellion and that rings true for every aspect of society. Not just the health. The only way that we move forward as a society is by people standing up against people who are trying to control them and who are trying to make you think a certain way. Anytime someone says, you can’t question. This is the science. We brought in these experts to come and tell you that this is the case and all this.

I have no college degree. I’m a college dropout and these things, but I’ve done a lot of research on myself. I went and did the extra mile and worked on a farm for months to figure out what it means and what it’s all about. People can find out this information and do these things. You don’t need to be completely reliant on somebody else to give you all of this information. People need to be able to go out, get that research like on Weston A. Price website and all this stuff and find out what’s going on. If you don’t, you are the perfect candidate of this control.

Will, you alluded to this earlier but do you have friends who are like, “Will, you’ve lost it like. Come party with us again. Who cares, as you said, Pizza Hut or whatever?” Do you have friends who are just skeptical of the new you, so to speak?

Yes, I won’t say any names. Not to embarrass them, but I’ve had people. I remember when I was switching over my diet and all these lifestyle changes and getting out of politics. They’re like, “Will, are you depressed? I’m like, “What? No, I’m not depressed. I feel great. I feel better than ever.” “You’re starting to say the Earth is flat and you’re drinking raw milk for five days. You must be sad or something.” I’m like, “I’m not sad. I feel better than ever with a lot of the things that I’m doing.”

It’s just such a different way of thinking. For me, I’ve always been this way but now, I am pretty out of the box on a lot of stuff I will say. I don’t have a lot of friends. I have a few very close friends but not a lot of friends on this thing. It’s because most people aren’t living that type of lifestyle, a very out of the box type of difference than what society says. I’m rebellious by nature and a lot of people aren’t necessarily like that.

When they see my life or the things that I talked about. I haven’t used shampoo in a year. I don’t use toothpaste. They’re like, “What the hell are you doing? It’s crazy talk.” They think it’s very strange and you’re going off the deep end, but if they would just go and do the research. They might find out something new and maybe try it but they’re just haven’t done it.

That’s right. Find out something new/ancient I would say because that’s what’s so cool about Weston A. Price Foundation. They are based on the work primarily of Dr. Price who was from the 1930s, as you said. He noticed these vibrantly healthy people who were not doing the modern things, who were exhibiting this amazing ability to see and to throw spears, fertility, happiness, optimism, and whatnot. That’s why he wrote his book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration.

That’s why the Weston A. Price Foundation gets this information out even when it’s been countercultural and we don’t agree with every view of every guest. Some of us may be globe skeptics as you are and some of us may not be, but we embrace the people who are willing to push against the modern tie because we see good health as stemming from ancient wisdom. I feel like that’s what you’ve come across, too, Will.

It’s like the globe thing. If people don’t agree or the health thing, they say, “Raw milks bad for you because of this.” That’s fine. You can have that thing but I’m hoping that if you’re coming to me with that information, you’ve at least done research on the other side. I’ve looked at both sides and said, “This is what I believed.” Instead of just saying, “I’ve been told by all these people that this is the truth and now because of that, I’m not going to listen to anything that anyone else has to say.”

Plugging their ears and like, “La la la.” You want friends who are willing to dig deep and a lot of our readers are just in that place. I hope you’ve given them a lot of food for thought and I want to ask you now the question I love to post at the end. If the reader could just do one thing to improve their health, Will. What would you recommend that they do?

The number one thing that has done so much for me is making it so that the exercise and nutrition, the lifestyle that it’s a life worth living if that makes sense. If I had to be in the gym for two hours a day doing cardio and working out. I wouldn’t like to be healthy if that’s what I had to do, but I don’t do that. I do my sprint workouts and rock climbing. I do things that are fun and things that make me feel good. The food that I make, I don’t just eat beef with no seasoning. I do recipes and stuff in my lifestyle. I do things that get me out and talking to people and meeting new people.

Things that our ancestors did in a way of play and community and eating things that are from the earth. Making it so that your lifestyle is a lifestyle that you want to live as soon. As you start putting these parameters on yourself, “I have to do this so I can lose weight. I have to do this so I can be a little bit healthier. Whatever it is.” You’re going to be upset with yourself and not enjoy it. You’ll be unhappy in the path to getting healthy.

Band-Aid solutions won’t fix real problems—and truly wanting to solve them is the hardest part.”

There’s so many ways to get healthy while also being happy and loving the things that you’re doing. That’s what is the coolest part about all of this stuff. You can live the life that you want to live even better. You don’t have to sacrifice all these things for the life that you want to live. You can just live your life to an even greater extent with all these new things that you find out.

I love that, life is worth living. That’s what we’re all aiming for. It’s what I’m aiming for. Thank you so much for this conversation, Will. It’s been a blast.

Thank you so much. I’m so happy to talk to you.

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About Will Witt

Will Witt is a 2x national bestselling author and international speaker. His videos have received over a billion views online, and he has been featured on outlets such as Fox News, The New York Times, The Daily Wire and more. Although Will started his work in politics and the culture war with PragerU, he has now shifted his focus to health, nutrition, and lifestyle while living in Florida.