238: Behind The Coronavirus

There is more at stake in our current health crisis than meets the eye. It’s important to look at the nature of the virus, and also our approach to confronting it.

Leslie Manookian, the writer and producer of the documentary “The Greater Good” today gives us context to consider related to the coronavirus. She covers a lot of ground in this conversation. She explains why White House Health Advisor Dr. Fauci is in favor of accelerating the development of a vaccine, even though vaccines against respiratory viruses are problematic, and reveals the role and influence of Bill Gates in renown health institutes and the media. Leslie also emphasizes the importance of understanding and defending our health freedom.

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Episode Transcript

Within the below transcript the bolded text is Hilda Labrada Gore and the regular text is Leslie Manookian

Our guest is Leslie Manookian. She is the writer and producer of the documentary, The Greater Good. She talks about the big picture related to the Coronavirus. She gives us context. She helps us wrap our heads around the nature of the virus. She dispels the myth of the asymptomatic carrier. She explains why a vaccine is unlikely to be of any help, and why health authorities, politicians and even Bill Gates are accelerating a vaccine’s development nonetheless. Finally, Leslie uncovers the many conflicts of interest between those who are doubting the benefits of vaccination and those who stand to benefit from its wide distribution.

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Welcome to Wise Traditions, Leslie.

Hilda, thank you for having me. It’s great to be back.

The whole world has turned upside down. We’re having this conversation at a time when there is chaos, concern, lockdown and quarantine. Words that we never thought would be in our vocabulary are a part of our day-to-day lives. What is your assessment of our situation?

It’s been massively overhyped in the media and by certain political factions as well. While it’s real, it’s important to understand that there’s a difference between something being real and something being catastrophic. The response to this has been as though it’s a giant catastrophe. There’s also a web of people behind this whole thing, which we should delve into. It’s important that people understand that there are seven different types of Coronavirus that infect human beings. Four of them are benign and three of them are SARS that we first saw in the early 2000s. MERS, which was several years ago, and then now SARS-CoV-2.

This is fascinating. Leslie, I haven’t heard anyone say that there are various types of Coronavirus, let alone say that some of them are benign.

Coronavirus has been around for decades. It’s generally associated with common colds and other respiratory infections. This idea that it’s dangerous is a new one in the last few decades or so, which is peculiar in and of itself. Coronavirus is generally recognized as the common cold.

This is blowing my mind but it’s also helping me understand something. I have heard of people who have been identified as having the Coronavirus and who are labeled as asymptomatic. I’ve thought to myself, “Maybe it is benign,” but no one seems to agree with me. They say to me, “That means you’re a carrier. That means you can infect someone else.” I thought, “What if we have it and it’s not bad for us?”

That’s not the way the immune system works. If the bug were all that was required to make us sick or kill us, we’d all be dead. None of us would be alive today. Let’s pick this apart. Roughly 1/3 of the population carries staph on their skin and in their noses. If all that matters is that you’re exposed to it and that’s going to cause infectious disease, why do those people all not have staph infections and why are they not infecting everyone else? It’s because our immune system is made up of this huge microbiome, which are bacteria and viruses and other kinds of things, all sorts of little bugs and things.

Generally, people who are experts on this say that if 80% of our microbiome is beneficial, it keeps the 20% in check. The problem is when the bad guys start to multiply and become more than 20%. What causes that to happen? We know what causes that to happen. Bad diet, lacking in vitamins, A, D and K, which all boosts our immune system so much, lacking real vitamin C, not the stuff made in a lab, vitamin E, and all these other things. All of us Weston Pricers know how important nutrition is.

That’s one of the critical things but also low-stress levels or managing our stress levels, adequate sleep, adequate exercise. We have to have all those things in order to keep our immune system healthy and well. It is when we don’t pay attention to those things that we see a proliferation of the bad guys, and then we open ourselves up to getting sick from the staph that’s already there. It didn’t jump out of somewhere and get us. It’s generally there. It’s that we are not susceptible to it because our immune system is robust.

This is one of the things that drives me crazy about what the media is doing and how they’re overhyping. They’re telling people, “You’re an asymptomatic carrier.” I don’t think that’s correct. I don’t think that’s appropriate. These people’s immune systems have recognized it, dealt with it and done with it. From what I understand in Britain, there’s a team of scientists who are challenging the ones who are putting out all the fear. They’ve said that they believe that the virus has been in Britain for months longer than expected, and that half the population has already had it and been exposed to it. They’re just not susceptible to it.

The implications of that are radical. What it means is that the vast majority of people, and I’m talking tens of millions of people, have already been exposed and not even known it. Are we appropriately addressing this situation? In California, the CDC is saying that the virus has been there as early as December 20th 2019, so it’s been circulating in the United States since probably mid-December 2019. People in my family had it in February before it was supposedly in my state.

How do you know, Leslie?

Of course, I don’t know but if you look at what is being said by the CDC and other health authorities, they’re saying that this has been a horrible flu season way back before it was supposedly ever here. My point is that the CDC is now acknowledging that Coronavirus was circulating in California as early as December 20th 2019. If that’s the case, then millions of people have had it way before any measures were put in place, and yet we didn’t have millions of people getting sick or dying.

There’s a difference between something being real and something being catastrophic.

We did have a bad flu season, I’ll say that. I can speak to that personally. All I’m saying is that it is a perfect example of how people don’t know they’ve had it because they’ve been exposed and their immune system has dealt with it fine. Same thing with polio. 99% of the people who get polio never know they’ve had it.

What you’re saying is radical. Are there links we can point to so that people can pursue more of this information on their own? You’re not making this up.

Of course not. This is all based on scientific literature. It is a fact. It’s on my website on GreaterGoodMovie.org under News and Views. I’ve written about several of these things. The first one was specifically about the Coronavirus, what we know, that we carry staph and these kinds of things. That’s one thing. The other thing is that the testing that we use to determine whether or not someone is sick or not, or has been exposed or not is highly subjective. That’s all that’s in use at this point, which is something called a PCR test. It is not something that tells us we have millions of replicating viruses in our bodies. We don’t know that.

Dr. Tom Cowan on a previous show addressed that. He said it is a surrogate kind of test, that even the man who invented the test said it should not be used to identify viruses as contagious and yet, that’s how we’re trying to use it.

That is what’s being rolled out. The media is hyping this and yet, the test that we are using doesn’t tell us exactly what we’re being told they tell us. The media is pushing new antibody tests, which hopefully will tell us what we want to know, which is who’s been exposed and developed antibodies and therefore isn’t susceptible anymore. Even those antibody tests are not black and white, and there’s a reason for that. We know from tetanus and other pathogens that someone can have sky-high antibodies and not be immune or have no antibodies and be immune.

In the case of measles vaccines, we know that 10% of people who get vaccinated are what we call non-responders. They never mount an antibody response. That doesn’t mean that their body is not immune to it. It means that they don’t have what some scientists have decided is the key criteria to look at in the blood to see whether or not someone’s immune, but that’s not necessarily immunity because you can have no antibodies and still be immune. It’s more complex than what the media is putting out there. I personally think it’s because the media has an agenda.

I want to review this. If I understand you correctly, I may have had the Coronavirus already and didn’t even know it. I was asymptomatic because I’m strong. Should I be staying home because I might pass it on to someone, or is that a fallacy?

This idea that millions of people are asymptomatic is a fallacy. What has happened is that their body has been exposed to the virus, recognized it, dealt with it, and it’s not a problem. This is another way that they’re frightening people. I don’t think that’s the case. It’s a misinterpretation. I don’t think that some of the health authorities are being straightforward with people. The fact that Britain is now saying that half the population may have been exposed but they’re not all sick proves that.

I did hear Fauci say on a newscast one day that if enough people got infected with it, we would have herd immunity, but he said, “We don’t want that to happen.” I was surprised to hear him say that. Is that true?

Dr. Fauci did say that and it’s a telling remark. He and his sponsor, Bill Gates, don’t want many people to have had it and us to develop herd immunity naturally. Why do you think that would be the case? Because they want to mass vaccinate everybody. They both said, “No mass gatherings until mass vaccination.” To me, it is one of the reasons that they have pushed hard on a lockdown. They don’t want people who are not susceptible to get it or be exposed to it, develop antibodies, and then there will be no market for their vaccine.

Leslie, what you’re saying is challenging most of our understanding about why there’s a lockdown. Most of our information is telling us we are in lockdown to safeguard the public health and to flatten the curve.

Flattening the curve is the absolute wrong thing to be doing. I know that there are many scientists and doctors who are coming out saying that flattening the curve is the wrong thing to be doing. The reason for that is what I talked about with respect to Britain and California, millions of people have been exposed but not develop symptoms. It’s not that they’re asymptomatic. Their immune system just took care of it. They don’t have any issue with it. They were more than capable of fighting it off, so they don’t have any problem with it.

I’ve read that 99% of the people who get it and get symptoms do respond fine without any medical intervention. It’s only a tiny minority. I’m not downplaying those people who do become susceptible, who do have comorbidity or who are elderly. I’m not downplaying any of the illness or the death from it. I am simply questioning whether or not the reaction to this has been commensurate with the risk, and I don’t believe that’s the case.

Even Fauci’s numbers have gone down. In other words, at first, wasn’t he saying that millions of Americans are getting sick? Now he’s saying it’s thousands. He’s modified his prediction and yet, there is this talk still about flattening the curve and extending the lockdown and the social distancing.

WT 238 | Coronavirus — Coronavirus: The idea that millions of people are symptomatic is a fallacy. What has actually happened is that their body has been exposed to the virus, recognized it, and dealt with it.

Let’s talk about flattening the curve quickly. What we know now from Britain and from California is that this is more contagious than we’d expected. Meaning that more people have been exposed to it and it’s less deadly than expected. Initially, they were saying 8% and 10% mortality rate of cases, then they said 3% to 4% from China. Dr. Fauci has written in The New England Journal of Medicine that the true death rate is probably closer to 0.1%, which is nothing more than flu. The question is, why is he saying that in private in the medical field while he is spreading fear in the public domain? That’s an important question that people need to ponder.

Secondly, we need to understand that the people who are driving the narrative in the media and controlling the narrative in the media oftentimes have a horse in the race. If you look at the first major models that came out, they were released from Imperial College in London. This is the model that says 2.2 million Americans could die and 500,000 Britons. What we now know is that the guy who wrote that was used to spread all over the media.

Imperial College London takes money from the Gates Foundation. That man, Neil Ferguson, who wrote the model, walked it back several weeks later and said, “I don’t think it’s going to be that bad.” He testified in front of Parliament. He said, “In Britain, we think that the death rate isn’t going to be 500,000. It’s probably going to be 20,000 people, and more than half of those would have died anyway.” He was off by a factor of 50. Somebody did push it, which is Oxford University. A team of epidemiologists from Oxford pushed back and said they thought this was grossly exaggerated. The assumptions were wrong in all these things. This guy, Neil Ferguson, sits on certain committees at the World Health Organization who also takes huge money from the Gates Foundation.

To play devil’s advocate here, let’s say that Neil Ferguson was simply mistaken. It’s not because he has a horse in a race but he made some erroneous assumptions and then he backpedaled because he realized, “I was wrong.” Is that a possibility too?

If that were the case, then why didn’t everybody stop the lockdown? Why did they move forward? Why do they get worse in Britain than better?

You mean they got forward with a lockdown after he backpedaled?

Yes. The other thing is I don’t think I fully completed the idea of flattening the curve and whether or not that’s a good thing. The best thing in the world you can do with something that’s not particularly dangerous is to have everybody get it because if everybody who’s not at risk gets it, then they do provide true herd immunity and protect those who are at risk. You have the elderly, those with diabetes, those with heart problems, and things like that, the people who are at risk self-isolate. Take care of them. Let everybody else get it and then they’re protected. Wouldn’t that be the best thing to do? No drugs, no vaccines, no risk to them.

The thing is that is not an approach that sells a lot of vaccines. The thing is you need a lot of fear generally to sell vaccines. That’s what happens. Frighten people and they’ll take it, demand it and beg for it. What Dr. Fauci said about not wanting people to develop herd immunity, that lets the cat out of the bag. He doesn’t want herd immunity to develop in the population. Why would that be the case? It’s because they want a vaccine. He is developing one of Gates’ vaccines in his own group at the National Institutes of Health, which has taken $100 million from Gates.

I’m surprised Gates is such a big player in all of this. Didn’t he have his tech company and then the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation? How did he become involved in all of this?

Many years ago, Microsoft was the subject of major antitrust lawsuits in both the United States and Europe. They were dragged in court in front of the Federal Trade Commission and the European Trade Commission for their anti-competitive practices, and they were threatened with being broken up. The reason for this is because Bill Gates is reputed to be a mercenary businessman. He did things that were incredibly anti-competitive. He was operating as a monopoly and trying to put any competition out of business. They were going to break up Microsoft.

What happened was they got a small fund, $300 million or $400 million, but he was forced to step down as CEO and he stayed on as Chairman of the board. Right after that, within a year or two, he started doing all of this philanthropic work interestingly. That was when the Gates Foundation began and they started putting billions of dollars into it. Now, it’s more like $80 billion to $90 billion or something like that that’s in there. The timing of Gates stepping down from the Microsoft board and from Berkshire Hathaway, which is Warren Buffett’s board, is interesting. It’s also interesting that Sergey Brin and Larry Page, who founded Google, stepped down from Google. I find this all interesting. A lot of CEOs have been stepping down.

What do you make of that, Leslie?

I don’t know, Hilda. I’m not going to even speculate. I find it peculiar with respect to Larry Page and all these others. With respect to Bill Gates, it’s clear that he wants to work on his little baby, which is vaccinating the population. That’s the true objective.

The truth is most people hear the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and they don’t know what they’re about, but there’s a history and it’s not a pretty one of what he’s been doing with forced vaccinations in India and in African countries. What I have heard him saying about our situation in the United States is he thinks we’ll either have to have some certificate proving that we’ve either had the Coronavirus and dealt with it, or we have to have a certificate proving that we’ve had a vaccination.

Someone can have sky-high antibodies and not be immune or have no antibodies and be immune in the case of some vaccines.

Let me break it down for you. The Gates Foundation started the Gavi Alliance, which is a Global Alliance for Vaccines. They gave him $750 million to get going and they’ve given him a couple of billion dollars since then. The Gates Foundation funds vaccine makers all over the world. The Gates Foundation gave $100 million to the National Institutes of Health in the US and over $13 million to the CDC. They gave $229 million to the World Health Organization in 2018 alone. They gave $1.5 billion to the Gavi Alliance between 2016 and 2019.

The Gates Foundation and the Gavi Alliance are in the top four of all donors in the entire world to the World Health Organization. The US is number one at $280 million roughly. The Gates Foundation is number two at $229 million. This is for 2018 alone. The UK is behind the Gates Foundation, and then Gavi is next at $158 million or $153 million, and then Germany. Maybe Germany comes right before Gavi, but it’s right around there.

Bill Gates has given so much money to the World Health Organization that he gets rights that only voting member countries get. He has tremendous influence. The same guy that wrote the model at Imperial College in London sits on all these different boards at the World Health Organization modeling things and creating these plans for pandemic preparedness. There’s a big tangled web here.

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This is going to freak people out, but Gates buys the media. In the first decade of the 21st century, Gates gave $1 billion to the media. Some of the money went to fund investigative reports on certain things like maybe AIDS in Africa or something.

You’re saying that he’s given money to the media. Most of us think journalists are impartial. Maybe yes, pharmaceutical companies will place ads to support the news programs, but he literally gave money to the media.

He gave and he gives. What’s interesting is nobody is reporting about it anymore. There was an amazing article published on February 19, 2011, in The Seattle Times. I want to read to you what the authors wrote. Not only do they give money, this $1 billion, not only is it going to specific reporting on specific pet interests of theirs but, “To garner attention for the issues it cares about, the foundation has invested millions in training programs for journalists. It funds research on the most effective ways to craft media messages.” Isn’t that terrifying? They’re training journalists to write things the way they want it to be written.

“Gates-backed think tanks turn out media fact sheets and newspaper opinion pieces. Magazines and scientific journals get Gates money to publish research and articles. Experts coached in Gates-funded programs write columns that appear in media outlets from The New York Times to the Huffington Post while digital portals blur the line between journalism and spin.” This is jaw-dropping what is happening in our country and people have no idea. That was just in the first decades. This has not stopped. It is continuing.

This helps me understand why so many media outlets have the same line. All I hear is, “Stay at home. Flatten the curve,” these certain phrases that are repeated over and over. I almost feel like I’m in 1984.

There are talking points that have been written by the Gates Foundation and the Gates Foundation-funded journalists, doctors and researchers. The Gates Foundation gives money to MIT, the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Wuhan CDC to develop vaccines. It’s giving money everywhere. People have to understand that this foundation has more money in it than the GDP of most countries. Think about that. They are so immense, and everybody wants some of those dollars, so they’re willing to blur the lines a lot.

Let’s say some people are like, “Vaccines are our hope. They’re the best way to protect all of us from deadly pathogens and viruses.” What would you say to those people?

I’ll make a couple of points. First of all, we don’t know everything that happens in the body when vaccines are injected. We don’t know what a safe dose of mercury is. What we do know is that no dose is safe. There’s never been a proven safety study done showing X amount is safe to inject in a human. It’s the same for aluminum. The vaccine makers have never demonstrated how much is safe and the FDA has never made them do it. They’ve assumed that these things are safe.

We don’t know so much. We don’t know whether all the combinations of vaccines that are given are safe. We don’t know if the whole vaccine schedule that’s recommended by CDC is safe. We’ve never studied any of those things. We haven’t done that. There are many questions about it. On top of that, we have a vaccine court in the United States that recognizes that the vaccines injure and kill some recipients. We have a Federal Law that recognizes that and sets up the vaccine court. We have a $0.75 tax on every vaccine administered in this country.

We do know that vaccines are dangerous. We do know that they kill people. We do know there’s a table of compensable events that are run by the same vaccine compensation program. That table of compensable events lists things like death, rheumatoid arthritis, seizures, brain damage, inflammation of the brain, and many other things but I’ll stop there.

The point is that there is so much evidence that vaccines are harmful, at least to many. Some scientists and doctors would argue that they’re harmful to everyone even if people don’t recognize it, and there are no adequate safety studies. The mountain of science is growing that shows that we need to be exercising caution, so I don’t think that they’re the best thing.

It may be that the message is not getting out to people because the media is being controlled by those who have a vested interest in making money from pharmaceuticals.

There are many conflicts of interest between the Gates Foundation, academia, medical journals, the media, and global and domestic health organizations and things. It’s extremely difficult for the average person to ferret out the truth. You cannot rely on the mainstream media if you want to get to the bottom of this. You have to go to the alternative media like us, Weston Price Foundation, or GreaterGoodMovie.org and our Facebook page.

I want to add one other thing. This has been scientifically demonstrated. We do know that injecting antigens, so none of the other adventitious agents that are in vaccines, like a measles antigen or a chickenpox antigen repeatedly is enough to overwhelm the immune system. It causes what is called immune system dysregulation. Meaning that the immune system is in an unstable place where it cannot right itself and it then overreacts to all sorts of things.

If injecting the antigen can do that, that’s undermining our immune systems. Why in the world would you want to ever inject a vaccination? How is that ever the solution to boosting your immunity? We want a healthy, intact immune system. We don’t want an immune system that has been compromised by antigens or toxins. I don’t think that vaccination is ever the answer based on the science that’s available now.

We’ll definitely have people check out your movie. There are resources on the WestonAPrice.org website about how to understand more about vaccinations. We’ve done other shows with you and Tom Cowan on the subject because it is important to give people another perspective. Leslie, first, I want to say thank you for everything that you shared. You’ve brought some important facts to the table for people’s consideration. Secondly, I want to ask you, if the reader could do one thing to support their immune system, what would you recommend that they do?

There are two things they should do. One is to support your immune system through the things I’ve talked about, a Weston Price diet with adequate fat-soluble vitamins A, D and K. It’s important. Supplementing with whole food, vitamin C, and cutting out all of the processed foods, processed flours and oils, and things that are so bad for us. The other thing I encourage people to do is to find a health freedom organization in your state because we are going to lose our rights to decide how we keep ourselves healthy and well if we don’t stand up and stand up now.

I’m wondering, how do you find a health freedom group?

Use a search engine, not Google preferably, and search for health freedom whatever your state is. In Idaho, it’s Health Freedom Idaho.

You’re advocating that we should advocate for our health freedom because otherwise, our rights to take care of our bodies as we see fit are in jeopardy.

We don’t know everything that happens in the body when vaccines are injected.

There is no doubt. The Prime Minister of Australia and Canada and other figures have been calling for Henry Kissinger for mandatory vaccines. They want to make this whole program mandatory and they have a frightening plan to do it. They want to make sure that you have a certificate of vaccination or antibody test, but they want to push for the certificate of vaccination. They also have other things though. They want to microchip everybody, and that microchip would provide you a global digital ID so every human on the planet can be tracked. That digital ID will be linked to your vaccination records, your medical records and other things.

This is about control. This is about a global police state. These people are pushing it, and Gates is funding this microchipping technology. He’s also funding a micropatch vaccine and it’s being tested. It’s one of the tests that’s now underway. A micropatch vaccine that you stick on the skin and it releases not only the antigens and the vaccine into you, but it also releases little dye particles that are invisible to the naked eye but visible with an app on a smartphone that can read infrared. This will be a way for tracking you.

Think about where this goes. They’re saying no mass gatherings without mass vaccinations. They’re telegraphing to you our world will never be the same. People need to get used to working from home. They’re trying to introduce digital currencies all over the world. This has been going on for months. The paper currency is dangerous and dirty and the virus can live on it. This is about fear-mongering because they want you to accept that you will live at home separated from society and only buy things off of Amazon using your digital currency or your credit cards. They don’t want you to be able to go into town and use paper money. This is where this is going.

Think about this. You want to go to church? You have to scan your arm to make sure you’ve got the vaccine so they can see it. You want to go to a concert? Scan your arm, scan your microchip, and produce your certificate of vaccination. You want to go to the grocery store, the post office, get on an airplane? People who don’t comply will be barred from normal life. That is where this is going. I don’t mean to frighten people, but it is imperative that people wake up to what agenda is here behind the scenes.

They’re putting it out there if you go and search for this, and I’ve written about it on my blog, so please go and check it out, GreaterGoodMovie.org, News and Views tab, and you will see the things. I’ve only touched the surface but at least that will get you going there. There are links in all those articles. This is the world that they envision where you do not participate in society unless you have acquiesced to their whims to vaccinate you for COVID-19, but don’t think it’ll stop there. Flu and anything else, Hilda, that’s where this is going in my view. That’s one of the reasons why they have stirred up so much fear because politicians and other authorities have admitted that you can achieve more when the populace is afraid than you could under normal circumstances. These are the comments that they’re making right now.

Leslie, this is mind-blowing and I can’t wait for people to dig deeper. The Weston A. Price Foundation is committed to getting this information out, and then people can do with it what they will. We want them to dig deeper, test us and challenge us, and look at links and do their own research because goodness knows, we’re another outlet for them to consider to get information from. You shouldn’t take anyone’s word for anything. This is a time for digging deep on these issues, particularly those related to health, nutrition and well-being. We are thankful that you took the time to make this conversation with us. We can’t wait for people to visit your site, watch your movie and learn more. Leslie, what do we know about the Coronavirus vaccine right now?

There are a bunch in the works. You asked me earlier why vaccination isn’t the best answer to these things, and I said we want to build up immunity and things like that, and that there are problems with vaccines in general. The problems with Coronavirus vaccines are terrifying and they’re specific to respiratory vaccines. It’s interesting. Many years ago, they did studies on RSV, which is a respiratory disease, and on developing a vaccine for that. The trials were so dangerous. Two children died and they caused an enhanced immune response in the recipients.

After SARS in 2003, they started working on a vaccine for that and used four vaccines, which they believed were the four best candidates to study. They injected these into lab animals and the animals all developed antibodies and they thought, “Fantastic. They had a healthy robust immune response. Terrific.” They were like, “Great,” then they went and they exposed the animals to wild Coronavirus and they had horrific results. They had full-body inflammation in the animals. They had lung infections and lung inflammation and death.

The people who were running the trials were like, “This is not a candidate for human trials,” so they stopped and completely backed off. We’ve got two cases where we’ve seen bad outcomes in trialing respiratory vaccines. The one in 2003 was specifically for SARS. This is crazy. We don’t know. Here’s the other thing, those were in animal models that they did it.

What’s happening with the Coronavirus vaccines, and there are 7 or 10 that are being studied, 2 are already in trials. Dr. Fauci has fast-tracked them. They are bypassing animal studies and injecting them directly into humans without doing that process. Given that the last two showed horrific responses, particularly in animals, why would you want to do that in human beings? It’s scary.

The other thing is Bill Gates has said, “We’re going to need to send these vaccines all over the world but we’re going to need government indemnity before we do that.” Meaning they want global governments to make sure that they have no financial or legal risk. They want to be indemnified against all risks before they send these vaccines all over the world. That alone should give every person a pause.

I had heard that he had said that. He doesn’t want to be liable because he has a feeling that this isn’t going to work.

It’s important for people to understand that with these respiratory vaccines, they have a heightened immune response which can be lethal, and we don’t understand it well. Interestingly, some of the biggest vaccine proponents in the United States, Peter Hotez, who’s a vaccine developer in Texas, and Paul Offit, who’s a vaccine developer at the University of Pennsylvania and patent holder. They are exercising caution. They are warning people to be cautious about these and try to slow down this bus but they don’t seem to be having much success. The reason for that is because they don’t want to see these vaccines come out, injure or kill a ton of people, and then that threaten their childhood vaccine program because it’s not going to reflect well on any vaccine if this thing causes tons of harm.

Thank you, Leslie. Seriously, this information has to get out. I hope it will reassure people because you are shedding light on the fact that perhaps many of us have the Coronavirus, our bodies will be able to deal with it, and that we shouldn’t take all the information we’re getting at face value. There’s more to the story.

The other thing is states that did not lock down have had better outcomes and fewer hospitalizations and infections than states that did lockdown. As time goes on, we will see that this was a gross overreaction. Not to minimize anyone who got sick or died from it. They say you don’t want the cure to be worse than the disease. You don’t want to kill the patient to cure the disease.

About 17 million people have lost their jobs in three weeks. In the week previous to the shutdown of the economy, 280,000 people lost their jobs to put it in context. This is truly draconian what is happening. We are going to enter a global recession that we may not come out of for years and some people are saying depression. This is massive what they have unleashed on us. If it was unwarranted, which the data is pointing more and more to, wow.

I’m speechless myself. You’ve given us a lot to think about. Thank you again, Leslie. We will talk again, I’m sure.

Thank you, Hilda.

Take care. We’ll talk soon. Bye.

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Our guest was Leslie Manookian. Visit her website, GreaterGoodMovie.org, for more resources. I’m Holistic Hilda. Follow me on Instagram, @HolisticHilda. That’s it. Thank you for reading, everyone. Stay well and I’ll talk to you next time.

About Leslie Manookian

Leslie Manook is the president and founder of Health Freedom Defense Fund, a nonprofit which seeks to rectify health injustice through education, advocacy, and legal challenges to unjust mandates, laws, and policies that undermine our health freedoms and human rights. She is a former successful Wall Street business executive and award-winning documentary film producer and writer. She writes and speaks on topics of health, freedom, nutrition, personal development, politics and more. She chose to leave Wall Street at the height of her career in order to pursue this more meaningful path.

Leslie serves on the boards of the Weston A. Price Foundation and Health Freedom Idaho. She is a qualified homeopath, nutrition and wellbeing junky, and a health freedom advocate. Originally from Idaho, Manookian’s career in finance took her from New York to London with Goldman Sachs. She later became Director of Alliance Capital in London running their European Growth Portfolio Management and Research businesses. She learned of the vaccine debate while living and working in London and determined that one day she would make a documentary exploring the issue. She conceived, wrote, and produced, The Greater Good, an award-winning documentary, fulfilling that dream.

Leslie has been featured in Barron’s and in other financial publications, in dozens of TV, radio, print, and Internet interviews, and has spoken at numerous conferences. She advocates for nutrient-dense traditional foods and sustainable farming in her community. She has served on the board, managed, or consulted for many organizations. Active on the legislative front, she works to protect rights to medical and health freedom at home in Idaho and across the nation. She has presented in the Idaho State Legislature on numerous occasions and played a leading role in defeating legislation in Idaho, which would have reduced health freedom, medical rights, and privacy. She also helped to secure legislation protecting consumer access to raw milk.

Leslie holds an MBA from the University of Chicago, a BA from Middlebury College, and M.L.C. Hom from Lakeland College of Homeopathy.