Be Informed: Mandates On The Horizon

Mask mandates, contact tracing, and looming vaccine passports have caused many to grow concerned and confused. What are our rights? What can we expect in terms of mandates to come and how will they affect our freedom? Leslie Manookian, the founder of the Health Freedom Defense Fund, speaks to this global crisis. She covers a variety of topics in our conversation from what to do if your job requires vaccination to how to navigate relationships where the unvaccinated are perceived as a danger.

She discusses what we can expect if we decide to take the injection, in the short-term and the long-term. And she goes over the authoritarian measures used in many communities around the world to get the populace to comply including mind control, and medical apartheid. Finally she explains what she believes to be our only hope to survive in these times.

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Within the below transcript the bolded text is Hilda Labrada Gore and the regular text is Leslie Manookian.

Mask mandates, contact tracing and looming vaccine passports have caused many to grow concerned and confused. What are our rights exactly? What can we expect in terms of mandates to come? How will they affect our freedom? This is Episode 308. Our guest is Leslie Manookian. Leslie is the Founder of the Health Freedom Defense Fund. She speaks to us about this global crisis. She covers a variety of topics in our conversation from what to do if your job requires vaccination, to how to navigate relationships with family and friends when the unvaccinated are perceived as a danger. She discusses what we can expect if we decide to take the injection in the short-term and the long-term. She goes over the authoritarian measures used in many communities around the world to get the populace to comply, including mind control, and medical apartheid. Finally, she explains what she believes is our only hope to survive and thrive in these times.

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Welcome to the show, Leslie.

Thanks, Hilda. It’s such a pleasure to be back with you.

A lot of folks see vaccine mandates on the horizon. I want to talk to you about that. Before we even get there, I want to talk about things happening on a personal level. Tell us the story of your friend who wanted to visit her parents.

They’re lifelong friends. I’ve known the family for years. She and her husband were out visiting and we got together with them for a couple of hours. We were discussing everything that’s going on in the world and the craziness. If you’re sane, this world sure looks crazy, doesn’t it?

Yes, it does.

We were discussing what our perspectives are and what’s happening in the world, politically, economically, and, of course, health freedom, the vaccine, COVID, and all this stuff. She shared the story that her parents both have health conditions, cardiopulmonary disease, other issues, specific heart issues. They’ve both already had the vaccine. They haven’t left the house in a year and a half because they are afraid. They have told her that they won’t see her until she gets the vaccine. Can you imagine having your parents be that old, have got the vaccine, you don’t want to get it, and they are holding you hostage to risk your life?

If they’ve been vaccinated, don’t they feel safe and secure?

WT 308 | Health Freedom — Health Freedom: If you evaluate the body of research pertaining to mind control and influencing crowds, it’s very clear that one of the tactics is to employ fear because that shuts down the part of the brain that’s responsible for cognition.

That’s the crazy thing. This is part of the whole operation that we are living under, which is best described as mass hypnosis. I’m sorry, I hope that doesn’t offend anybody. The world is under a mass hypnotic spell. We’re in this place where up is down, down is up, war is peace. If you evaluate the body of research pertaining to mind control, influencing crowds, and things like that, it’s clear that some of the tactics are, first, employ fear because that shuts down the part of the brain that’s responsible for cognition. It puts us into the reptilian brain.

The second piece of it is confusion, disseminate misinformation, disinformation, confusing and conflicting information. Think about Fauci, he’s on 60 Minutes and they’re asking him, “Should Americans be wearing masks?” He says, “Absolutely not. It’s nothing more than virtue signaling.” That’s paraphrasing but that’s essentially what he said. There’s no scientific evidence to support it. You’re doing something symbolic.

A month or two later, he’s saying, “You have to wear mask.” We have this constant thing about doing it for each other, do the right thing, we’re all in this together. The science keeps coming out and the science is showing more clearly that they don’t work. There is maybe a 1% benefit. You don’t mask an entire population for a 1% benefit. My point is that it’s all about putting out conflicting, confusing information because then what happens is the population defers to authority. They are able to be told what to do. They are predisposed to those authority figures. These parents are listening to, “You’ve got to get the vaccine. Do the right thing. Vaccination is love.” I don’t know if you’ve seen that advertisement or not.

No.

I haven’t seen it but I had someone who’s a member of the Weston Price Foundation and I’ve spoken in her chapter before on more than one occasion. She emailed me to say that in California, on television, she saw an ad and the advertisement ends with, “Vaccination is love.”

This has taken me to the point where I can hardly believe it anymore but I have been experiencing it. I have seen ads on the side of bus stops in DC that say, “I’m getting vaccinated because I love life.” All of the ways in which we are being pushed to do this. Let’s get back to this individual. What can she do? What can you do if your family is insisting? It happened to a friend of mine too that her parents didn’t want to see her if she wasn’t vaccinated. What can you do to bring them back to their senses?

These people are under mind control, they’re being confused and they’re frightened. It’s hard to rationalize with them. What can you do? When it’s on an interpersonal level like that, it’s challenging. It’s up to every one of us to figure out where our line in the sand is. I’ve been educating my parents for years and my step-parents who are in the same ballpark about the true risks involved with vaccination. The best thing that you can do is to try and help them to understand. We have to understand that when people are under mind control, you have to go in through the backdoor. Confronting them with facts is probably not going to be enough unless it comes from some neutral or something that’s maybe emotional, that’s a better thing because that touches a different part of the brain.

That’s exactly what I told my friend, “Why don’t you lead with love and humility?” She’s not sure where she stands on it at all. I said, “Why don’t you say, ‘I love you, I want to see you, can we meet outside on the back porch?’” Whatever it is to emphasize that human part of the conversation. Perhaps that touches a different part of the brain.

It does for sure. There’s emotion. Even in the movies, you’ll always see it. Someone breaks free from the mind control they’ve been subjected to do like Jason Bourne in The Bourne Identity or something like that. It’s always something emotional. It touches a memory. It touches something in them. It’s able to snap them out of that programming, the training that they have been subject to for, in many cases, decades. All of us have been subjected to programming for decades. Why do you think they call it a television program?

When you’re talking about such things, it always reminds me of A Wrinkle in Time. This little boy had suddenly got absorbed into this programming on this other planet. What broke the programming? It was the idea of love. The computer and all the things generating the obedience and that state that they were in couldn’t comprehend that.

A great tool in that respect is this three-minute audio/video from Rachel Ilana. She’s an Israeli woman. She’s an activist. Have you heard the three-minute audio where she talks about what’s going on in Israel?

No, I haven’t.

This is jaw-dropping and it’s such an important tool. This is a woman who is an activist but she’s part of a political group as well that is working towards health freedom in Israel. They gathered many signatures and got so much support that they made it into the Knesset, which is the parliament or congress in Israel. The media was instructed to silence them and not interview anybody from them. The guy who founded it is a physician. They stripped him of his medical license. They de-platformed them. They’re censoring them from all social media and things like that.

It’s even worse than that because what is happening is that in Israel, they’ve already adopted what’s called the green pass. What they haven’t implemented in Israel is medical apartheid. Those who are vaccinated can sit in certain beach chairs and others cannot. Those who are vaccinated and in possession of a green pass can go to the grocery store, attend a concert, or other cultural events and things like that. Those who are not vaccinated with COVID-19 vaccines cannot do these things. It’s emotional. It’s going to make me tear up thinking about her. This is are Jewish people. It is jaw-dropping that they are accepting the implementation of something similar to what happened to them in the past. This is why this woman, Rachel, is like, “I’m going to cry when I think about it.”

We’re on the brink of something similar to what happened in the past. We have seen it in South Africa and during World War II. I’m not saying that 6 million people are going to be killed but it’s possible. If you look at the guy’s research, this new thing that’s blown up everywhere and gone viral, Dr. Vanden Bossche talking about how the vaccine is going to kill millions of people over the coming months and years because it disables your immune system. When you think about that, maybe it will be some kind of genocide. I certainly hope not. The point is that this little three-minute clip is pure emotion that sharing something like that might be a good backdoor to people. There are also websites, the Children’s Health Defense certainly has some and others where they have compiled hundreds of people who’ve died after the vaccines in this country and elsewhere.

That’s the adverse effect. Those are important to take into consideration as well. Going back to your point about how similar this is to the dehumanizing of people groups in the past, some of us have experienced it on a modest level with the mask situation. In other words, I am not served in certain restaurants or the post office. I’ve been denied service in different places because I’m not wearing a mask. To me, that feels discriminatory. I get looked down upon not by the people working there but by everyone I walked by. It’s a subtle perspective that can grow into something bigger. We need to be aware of that.

That’s the whole reason that they started with masks. I do not believe that it was ever about a virus. They did not do that, the masking thing. This is my opinion. People can disagree with it. It was conditioned to condition the populace to accept authoritarian intrusion into our lives, our privacy, and how we live. I’ve written in on my blog at LeslieManookian.com that’s entitled The Slow March to Authoritarianism. It’s all about how the foundation for this medical authoritarianism or authoritarian disease management has been laid for years and here we are. People have to understand that’s what the masks are about. In my hometown, if you go into the grocery store without a mask, you may be physically assaulted. That’s what’s happened. There have been several fights, even at 8:00 at night when there’s nobody around.

Leslie, you’re making some big statements about mind control. You’re bringing some new information to bear. I hear what you’re saying about mind control. It sounds implausible. Can you give any more examples of people being swept up by this growing tide of disparaging their fellow human beings?

Sadly, I can give tons of examples. One that was staggering to me was a young woman. She looked to be in her early twenties, walking down the street in Australia and not wearing a mask. She was tackled, held down, and then cuffed by the police for not wearing a mask outside on the street with no one around her. Governor Abbott in Texas lifted the statewide mask mandate. People should be able to go anywhere they want to go without a mask. A woman went into a bank in Galveston to go and get her money out and they called the police on her because she wasn’t wearing a mask. The bank says it’s private property and they can require you to wear a mask.

There were half a dozen or a dozen people in the bank but they watched as this 65-year-old woman who peaceably stood their reasoning with the police was then pushed to the ground, cuffed, and arrested for not wearing a mask. All she wanted to do was get her money out of the bank. The people in the bank, she’s like, “Police brutality.” They were like, “Nope.” They disagreed with her. A 65-year-old woman arrested for the crime of not wearing a mask, and everyone stood by, and allowed this to happen because they were all mask-compliant little citizens. It reminds me of the Milgram experiment. Do you know about Milgram?

I’ve heard of it.

It’s one of the most amazing and terrifying experiments ever done. It was subsequent to what happened in the Nuremberg trials. We know that Hitler implemented all of his egregious, truly inhumane policies over a period of time. He didn’t start with gassing people. What was the very first thing he did? Do you know?

No, tell me.

The first thing he made the Jews do was to wear the yellow star, the yellow patch. Do you see a similarity between the mask and the patch?

Yes.

To separate us and to malign people. What I was going to say is that in the Nuremberg trials, after all the atrocities were uncovered, what did many of the doctors and scientists claim as their excuse for what they did?

They were doing their job.

They were following orders. They were doing their job. Half a dozen of them or a little bit more than a dozen of them were ultimately executed. That was their excuse. Milgram went and did these experiments. He brought individuals into a room where there was a two-way mirror or maybe a one-way mirror and he sat them there on one side and he said, “We are going to have the subjects on the other side. You are going to ask them questions. If they answer incorrectly, you are to push this button and you are to deliver them an electric shock.” The people on the other side were not being shocked but they acted as if they were.

What happened was they brought these people on whom they experimented in and they’d ask them a question, “What color is a tree?” They’d say, “Red.” They’d shock them because it’s green. Every time they answered incorrectly, they had to turn the voltage up. The people would be more extreme in how they were reacting. They would be screaming and writhing in pain and the person would keep doing it because they were told to.

That gives me chills. That’s alarming. It shows how insensitive we can become.

It shows how easily programmed we are and how much we defer to authority. When you think about what doctors wear, what do doctors wear when they come in to see you in whatever room?

White coats.

Why do they wear a white coat, Hilda?

It establishes their authority and that they’re different than you.

Why do they use the title in front of their name?

The same thing.

It’s all about power. Most people are intimidated by power and authority. Think about all the TV ads. Ask your doctor if whatever is right for you.

We’re used to that. We don’t even think to question why should we be asking him what’s right for us when maybe we happen to know? We should know our bodies better than the doctor.

Also, what do doctors do? I’m sorry but doctors, for the most part, prescribe drugs. That’s what they do. Most doctors do not help you to get better. They prescribe drugs. That’s what they’re trained to do. Ask your pusher what’s best for you. The point is it’s about establishing hierarchy. This is what’s going on in our society at large. This is what the parents I was telling you about, they’re being held captive and we all are.

That’s a great place for me to pose the question to you about what is one to do if they have a job that is requiring that they get vaccinated to continue working for them?

First of all, on my website, HealthFreedomDefense.org, I have tons of resources for people. All the resources I’m going to discuss are there, under the Resources tab. Most people don’t understand that the masks that are being used, the tests that are being forced on people, and the vaccines are being forced on people. I know many people who’ve already been fired for not taking the vaccine.

What people don’t understand is that every single one of those products was issued under something called an Emergency Use Authorization. It is a Federal Code under the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, which grants the Secretary of Health and Human Services the authority to grant the EUAs. The EUA statute specifically says, “Individuals to whom the product is administered are informed that the Secretary has authorized the EUA. They must be informed of the known and potential benefits and risks of such use and of the extent to which such benefits and risks are unknown. Most importantly, of the option to accept or refuse administration of the product.”

That’s in writing somewhere?

It’s Federal Law Title 21 section 360bbb-3. It’s on our website, you can find it there. There’s something in the constitution called the Supremacy Clause. What the Supremacy Clause means is that no city, state, county, or whatever can implement a law, ordinance, or anything else that conflicts with the Federal Law. The Federal Law preempts local law. We have it right there in black and white that these products, all of them, are issued under Emergency Use Authorization and that we’re required to be informed of the problems with them, known and unknown, and also informed of the right to refuse. What people can do is they can download those forms, whether it’s a mask, a test or the vaccine, and provide the notice. There are two things on there. There’s an FAQ for the masks, tests, and vaccines. There’s a notice to employers for each of those. My law firm is sending those letters to employers.

In other words, are you implying that what they’re doing is illegal? A workplace can’t say, “You must be vaccinated to work here.”

I’m not implying it. We are going to be litigating it. What I’m encouraging people to do is to download those forms, print them, or email them to their employers if they’re being threatened and say, “This is Federal Law and you can’t do this.” A lot of cities and states are not constitutional lawyers. They don’t understand this thing and they will fight back. If that’s happening, we are trying to develop a network of lawyers to whom we can refer people who understand the law and can fight on their behalf. We can’t take on everybody at Health Freedom Defense Fund. We’re trying. We’re doing as much as we can. We’ve got some big things in the works but we can’t do it all.

What about the softer mandates or requirements like to travel or to get a driver’s license? Are those in place or do you foresee them coming?

You can’t fly back into the country without taking a test. You can’t fly, even walking through the airports, without wearing a mask. These things are in place. There are many groups, including mine, preparing litigation and challenge these in the courts because it’s simply not legal. What’s interesting is that there have been two cases that went to the Supreme Court which are favorable to us. It opened the door on this issue. First was the Roman Catholic Diocese against Cuomo. What happened was that Governor Cuomo in New York was treating the churches differently than he was treating everybody else. That’s not legal. There’s nothing in an emergency that says, “You can treat the churches differently than you can others.” They sued. The Supreme Court found on behalf of the church and said, “The Constitution is not suspended in a pandemic. You can’t do something like this. You cannot treat people differently.” They went further.

Justice Gorsuch wrote a concurrent opinion in which he stated that what’s been considered controlling law on this for over 100 years is not controlling anymore. He said that Jacobson, the Law in 1905, which required a pastor and his son to pay a fine instead of taking the smallpox vaccine in Massachusetts, did not permit what’s happening. It did not permit a broad-based national lockdown or the measures that are happening and that it shouldn’t be implied to do so. He opened the door for us to challenge that lawsuit or that opinion which has been controlling for many years. There was another lawsuit. It was Planned Parenthood versus Abbott. That was even more favorable to those of us who believe in freedom. Those two things have opened the door for us to challenge them. We strongly believe that the law is on our side, we fully intend to challenge it, and we are going to.

When you were talking about the Federal Laws on the books that protect our rights from them being stripped away by states and other groups, is that the same legal footing you would stand on to fight back on these travel and driver’s license requirements for example?

Certainly. The Federal government says that you must be given the right to refuse to use any of these products, which means that any governmental entity must follow that Federal regulation. They can’t flout it. The question is, what about businesses? The airline business is different than the DMV, for instance. Our opinion is that private businesses can’t flout the law either. Think about it. If a business told you that you had to cut off your pinky to enter, would that be considered legal? No. Businesses can’t require you to do something that contradicts Federal Law either. They may try. Governors, and mayors, and city councils are doing so but they’re being challenged. My Health Freedom Defense Fund has sent warning letters that we intend to litigate certain cities and counties that have mask mandates in effect. We will be doing more of that. What we want is to get this into a Federal Court because that’s going to be the important thing to happen.

It’s interesting because honestly, I used to think the masks were not a hill to die on. I was like, “Whatever.” I don’t think it’s worth fighting. I see it more as a placeholder. It has been a placeholder for the next step of authoritarianism to take effect.

I know many people have said, “I’m not going to die on this hill.” If somebody wants to take over your country, do they attack you from without? Is that the best thing to do? Is it better to do a slow kill? The Nazis didn’t implement their plan overnight. They did it slowly and progressively over time because then you’re the slow boiling frog.

Few people think we’re exaggerating. I saw a school that was implementing a little pin system and putting a pin on the children who have not been tested or vaccinated to distinguish them from the rest. That sounds familiar.

It’s like The Scarlet Letter. This is medical apartheid. It is what it is. This is what I’ve said from the beginning. I remember coming on the podcast and it exploded. I’ve been studying this stuff for years. People need to understand that after 9/11 happened, within 45 days, the Patriot Act was passed, which permitted warrantless search, seizure and mass surveillance. Congress can’t do anything fast. Do you expect me to believe that happened 45 days after 9/11? I don’t accept that.

There was something else that happened right after that, the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act. It’s legislation that was developed by certain organizations, including Johns Hopkins and others. They put forth this model legislation, which has been ratified in whole or in part by 43 states. That legislation accorded dictatorial-type powers to health agencies. That’s what it did. This was introduced right after the Patriot Act, later in October of 2001. We had all of the supposed anthrax scares. We ended up finding out were an inside job. What happened as a result of that? We got the PREP Act. What did President Trump declare an emergency under it? The PREP Act. What does the PREP Act do? It reinforces that extraordinary power to the Department of Health and Human Services. Also, the Secretary of HHS can declare an emergency but then also grants immunity to anybody who creates products under the EUA. This was 2005.

That was put into place. The Emergency Use Authorization gives them no liability. It doesn’t matter how many adverse reactions there are or how many deaths there are, the companies who are making these injections are not liable for those reactions. Is that right?

Exactly. It’s not just the vaccine makers, the mask makers, and the test makers. Anybody who produces a product issued under EUA has blanket immunity from prosecution. They have no liability at all for their products. There are 350 tests being used to supposedly test for COVID-19 across the United States. What’s interesting is that there’s no oversight, there’s no coordination, there’s no approval by FDA, but most importantly, there’s no standard process. There’s no standardization of the tests. They are all different.

One test can use different what are called probes, primers, and the chemicals in them. Different tests can use something else. One test can use a cycle threshold of 30 and another one can use a cycle threshold of 45. There is no standardization. This is insanity. You can test positive on one test, take the other test and test negative because they’re not standardized in any way, shape, or form. They’re not liable for that. They are authorized to conduct their processes in their lab to determine that their tests work.

There’s not anyone giving them the stamp of approval, “This is an authorized test. We recommend it. It’s highly accurate.” There’s nothing like that.

They’re not accurate at all because they don’t even have the same parameters. They don’t use the same benchmarks. They use different benchmarks. On top of that, you take a test, and it’s a completely flawed test. Let’s say the cycle threshold is 38, 40 or 45, which means that you can test positive for anything because it can find anything. It’s like finding a needle in a haystack. Let’s be honest, if you are sick, you wouldn’t have to find a needle in a haystack. You’d have millions of particles of something in you, bacteria, virus, or something. You would have something in you that’s causing a problem. It wouldn’t be that difficult to detect that you have to magnify it millions of times. That’s what they do. They tell you that you’re positive, you have to quarantine, you can’t go to work, you can’t earn a living, you may lose all those hours, you can’t do all these other things. What about all the other people who are affected, your family and all that? No one is liable.

What’s the likelihood that’s going to change anytime?

We have to sue over it. I don’t want to be crass but we need people’s support. Please donate. We want to file lawsuits, challenging all of these things. The only way it can happen is through public support. Let’s be honest, the people on the other side are foes, have the deepest resources on the planet, the biggest legal teams, and the government’s on their side. We need the people to come through to support us so that we can defend our rights. We are pushing back against tyranny. That’s what we’re doing. That’s why I founded the Health Freedom Defense Fund. That’s the whole reason for it. We will do a show on Health Freedon Defense Funds so people learn what I’m really up to because it’s critically important.

I’m thinking of a person who hasn’t been privy to all this information. They don’t know that the tests are unstandardized. They don’t know that the vaccine has any side effects or can’t even complete or fulfill the promises that the ads make. In other words, the companies themselves say that it doesn’t necessarily prevent infection or transmission but people are going blindly ahead. Let’s say I’m a person who has gone ahead and I’ve got the vaccine. What can I expect? What can I do?

First of all, unfortunately, you can expect to continue wearing a mask and to distance. Although, they’re trying to change that as well. It’s this whole confusion strategy.

You can be with another vaccinated person and then maybe another unvaccinated group of people. They’re coming up with all these hurdles for even comprehension of what to do.

I’m not a doctor so I can’t give medical advice. What I’ve read from the advice that I’ve seen given by mostly the doctors that I’m in contact with, what they’re saying is the biggest way is to keep yourself healthy, first of all, to start. Secondly, have a strong immune system, which comes from being healthy. If necessary, if you’ve taken the vaccine, supplement it with real food C, not something synthesized in a lab. I’ll tell you that Dr. Sherri Tenpenny is advising high doses of sodium ascorbate. C, E, make sure your diets high enough in all of these things, D, of course, and all the B vitamins. The standard Weston Price diet is going to help us so much on these things, the A that you’ll get from the liver, chicken, egg yolks, butter, and things like that. Also something called quercetin, which is a big anti-inflammatory.

The problem, in particular with the mRNA vaccines, which are the Pfizer vaccine and the Moderna vaccine is that you can’t get it out. We don’t know when or how it will stop. The other vaccines from Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson have been issued under EUA in the United States but the AstraZeneca one has not. AstraZeneca has been suspended. The last I saw was a couple of dozen countries. That list is getting higher. It’s strange because the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines have had dozens. You could argue thousands of deaths reported. There have been over 1,000 deaths reported. I haven’t looked to see how high it’s gone. The last time I looked, it was over 1,000 deaths with tens of thousands of adverse reactions.

The countries haven’t suspended their rollout of those.

Why is it that the AstraZeneca vaccine is being treated differently with two deaths in some countries? It’s being suspended and potentially withdrawn. Whereas the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are rolling along and they’re covering it all up. There have been way more deaths and way more problems from it. There’s something strange going on. Here’s the thing, these vaccines are different, Johnson & Johnson vaccine and the AstraZeneca vaccine. The J&J vaccine is also known as the Janssen vaccine because it’s a biotech company that they own. I don’t think they own the whole thing but they own part of it but I could be wrong on whether or not they own the whole thing. They use more traditional vaccines, which is where they take protein from the supposed virus and they splice it onto cells or a virus from a monkey or a chimpanzee. It’s genetically modified. They inject you with that with a bunch of other junk, which is the way most vaccines are.

The Pfizer and the Moderna vaccine are different. What they are is a genetic SNP, a little piece of genetic material, which encodes, allegedly, for the spike protein on the SARS-CoV-2. They’ve taken that spike protein and they have translated that into mRNA, Messenger RNA, which is fragile, and then they encapsulate it in a lipid nanoparticle carrier or envelope. That lipid nanoparticle envelope contains polyethylene glycol, PEG, which is highly allergenic and to which 70% of the population has antibodies, which is one reason why we’re seeing reactions to it. Let’s put that aside for a second, even though that’s extremely alarming in and of itself.

The genetic SNP that’s inside is then injected into you. The lipid nanoparticles, which are nanoparticle fats, with this other stuff mixed into it. We don’t know if that’s safe. That’s never been tested or approved by FDA. Who knows what that does to your body? What happens is that dissolves which is injected into your cells, and this mRNA enters your cells and then gives instructions to your cells to produce the spike protein of the supposed Coronavirus to which your immune system mounts an antibody response. What don’t we know? We know almost nothing about this. We don’t know how to turn it off. We don’t know if you can turn it off. We don’t know the short, medium, or long-term impacts of this are. We know, from scientists from Moderna, that this is tantamount to installing a software program into everyone’s bodies.

I’m aghast at the situation.

It’s beggars belief, doesn’t it?

It does. All these people walking around with that in them, it’s almost like a ticking time bomb.

Many of them are proud that they’ve been vaccinated. At my son’s school, I have heard through the grapevine that almost all the teachers have got it. From what I’ve heard, every single teacher who got it had to take time off of work and that was after the first shot. What’s going to happen after the second? We know from previous studies on vaccines for Coronaviruses, there’s something called immune priming that happens or antibody-dependent enhancement whereby the second exposure to something, the wild exposure, is catastrophic.

When they’ve studied a vaccine for the first SARS, they did it in ferrets. A ton of the ferrets died when they were exposed. They got a robust antibody response and they thought, “We’re off to the races. This is fantastic.” This wasn’t an mRNA vaccine, to be clear, but it was for Coronavirus. They then exposed the animals to the wild and they died. They have a similar respiratory tract to us. There’s much concern about this. Unfortunately, what we’re seeing in many of the recipients are reactions where people bleed from the inside out. They get thrombocytopenia. There was a doctor in Florida who went and got his vaccine and he died a few weeks later because he woke up and he had burst blood vessels all over himself. Thrombocytopenia is the bleeding in the lungs and these blood vessels. We don’t understand what’s going on. There are certain people like Professor Dolores Cahill saying that you are installing an autoimmune program in you. That’s what’s happening. We’re giving ourselves autoimmune disease.

I’m certain that by the end of this conversation, most readers are probably alarmed and concerned. Of course, we know that’s not good for the immune system either. I want to end on a positive note, Leslie, and give a word of hope. If the readers could do one thing to improve or shore up their health during these times, what would you recommend that they do?

It’s hard. There’s not one thing, Hilda. If I had to say one thing, be happy. We have to find happiness throughout this madness because that’s the only thing that’s going to get us through. Happiness and hope. The best way to do that is by being outside and being with friends. Get together. Hug your friends. Hug your loved ones. If they won’t do that, find people who will. My husband and I went to a state soccer tournament that my son was in.

We live in a place where everybody’s masked up and those of us who don’t wear masks are demonized regularly. We saw people in the elevator in the hotel and they weren’t wearing masks. They were from Washington State. We hear them talking and I’d say, “You’re from out of state.” They’d say, “Yes. We’re happy to be here. We don’t have to wear masks.” I would hug them. I stand there in the elevator and I hug these people. That is what’s going to get us through because it is a human connection, it’s love and it’s human hope. That’s the only way. Of course, we have to fight too but we can’t give up that side of us. We’ve got to have that. That does so much for our immune systems.

I’m smiling at the thought of you hugging these strangers in the elevator, Leslie. That is a beautiful note to end on.

Hilda, they were happy. They melted in my arms because they were grateful for that contact and affirmation too.

I know we’ll talk again, Leslie. I can’t wait until I see you in person. I’ll give you a great big hug myself. Thanks again.

Thank you so much. It’s great to chat with you.

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Our guest was Leslie Manookian. Visit her website, HealthFreedomDefense.org, for more information. I’m Hilda Labrada Gore. You can find me at HolisticHilda.com. Please feel free to rate and review our show as well. It means a lot. That’s it for now. Thank you so much for reading.

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About Leslie Manookian

Leslie Manookian established the Health Freedom Defense Fund (HFDF) to ameliorate health injustice through education and advocacy. Health Freedom Defense aids families and individuals whose health rights have been infringed and supports legal challenges to unjust laws that undermine our health and freedoms. Of primary concern to HFDF is challenging a mandatory COVID vaccine.

Leslie is also the writer and producer of the award-winning documentary “The Greater Good”. She has been featured in dozens of TV, radio, print and internet interviews as well as appearing at numerous conferences discussing vaccine issues. She has been featured in a cover article in Barron’s as well as in other financial publications. She has served on the board, managed or consulted for many organizations in her community and successfully led the charge to defeat a proposed coal plant in her state and helped secure legislation providing consumer access to raw milk.

She holds an MBA from the University of Chicago and a BA from Middlebury College.